New Mock by Banks

IS Cromartie supposta be as good as his cousin is?
 
I could live with it but it would highly depend on what WR we got in the second round on whether i'd be totally happy with it or not.
 
the kid 05;1956440 said:
IS Cromartie supposta be as good as his cousin is?
Dude's good. He may be a little raw having played at a small school, but that's fine as he'd only be our 3rd corner for a while. He has ball skills, has good instincts, and is pretty athletic.
 
Like the 28th pick but not too crazy about Felix being picked with our first first.
 
theogt;1956527 said:
Dude's good. He may be a little raw having played at a small school, but that's fine as he'd only be our 3rd corner for a while. He has ball skills, has good instincts, and is pretty athletic.

so he shouldn't be taken in the first? or is he good enough to warrant a 1st
 
the kid 05;1956572 said:
so he shouldn't be taken in the first? or is he good enough to warrant a 1st

he's a first round pick after the combine we might not be able to get him with our 22nd pick
 
One more time, the Cowboys won't spend a first round pick on a backup RB to share time with MBIII. All we heard all year was that we wanted to see our pro bowl RB on the field more...now all of a sudden we want to use a #1 pick and money on another guy to share time, keeping him off the field even more than last year because we're assuming the drafted RB will be better than JJ.

If a great, top flight RB drops in the draft and is the top rated player on our board, then yes, I say take him, but that's unlikely to happen.

We haven't had a great, franchise, starting RB since Emmitt Smith...that's 7 years at least...during that time we never used a #1 pick on a RB, not even when some darn good ones were available to us.

Now, we have a probowl RB, but we think we'll spend a #1 on a running mate to spell him...Come on....
 
wayne motley;1956624 said:
One more time, the Cowboys won't spend a first round pick on a backup RB to share time with MBIII. All we heard all year was that we wanted to see our pro bowl RB on the field more...now all of a sudden we want to use a #1 pick and money on another guy to share time, keeping him off the field even more than last year because we're assuming the drafted RB will be better than JJ.

If a great, top flight RB drops in the draft and is the top rated player on our board, then yes, I say take him, but that's unlikely to happen.

We haven't had a great, franchise, starting RB since Emmitt Smith...that's 7 years at least...during that time we never used a #1 pick on a RB, not even when some darn good ones were available to us.

Now, we have a probowl RB, but we think we'll spend a #1 on a running mate to spell him...Come on....


You bring up a very good point Wayne. And one that's caused me to tap-the-brakes from time to time on the whole notion of selecting a RB in the first.

However, I also think that Barber isn't going to be the workhorse back that Emmitt was. Emmitt was out there for all 3 downs for virtually the entire game. So while Emmitt would touch the ball 25-30 times a game, his backup would touch it 5-6 times a game.

They aren't going to use Barber the same way as Emmitt.

A backup to Barber, and a quality backup at that, will probably have double the touches that Emmitt's backup would.

And then you have the whole issue of returns.

Someone like Felix Jones would automatically improve the return game.

You combine the need for a quality backup behind Barber and a guy that can take the return game up a notch, and spending a 1st on a running back like Jones becomes much more palatable for me.

That being said, if Adams is cut loose we could take a lineman in the first round.
 
A small point that people are missing here is that, Antonio Cromartie played for Florida State. He played against some of the most powerful offenses in college for his whole career and he was very Good. His younger cousin is playing off the name his cousin built for him. If you think he is first round talent because of what his cousin did, your bumping your head again. He may be good but he isn't 1st round good. That being said, someone will take him in the 1st. I just hope we aren't that stupid. :banghead:
 
starfrombirth;1956644 said:
A small point that people are missing here is that, Antonio Cromartie played for Florida State. He played against some of the most powerful offenses in college for his whole career and he was very Good. His younger cousin is playing off the name his cousin built for him. If you think he is first round talent because of what his cousin did, your bumping your head again. He may be good but he isn't 1st round good. That being said, someone will take him in the 1st. I just hope we aren't that stupid. :banghead:

MichaelWinicki;1956628 said:
You bring up a very good point Wayne. And one that's caused me to tap-the-brakes from time to time on the whole notion of selecting a RB in the first.

However, I also think that Barber isn't going to be the workhorse back that Emmitt was. Emmitt was out there for all 3 downs for virtually the entire game. So while Emmitt would touch the ball 25-30 times a game, his backup would touch it 5-6 times a game.

They aren't going to use Barber the same way as Emmitt.

A backup to Barber, and a quality backup at that, will probably have double the touches that Emmitt's backup would.

And then you have the whole issue of returns.

Someone like Felix Jones would automatically improve the return game.

You combine the need for a quality backup behind Barber and a guy that can take the return game up a notch, and spending a 1st on a running back like Jones becomes much more palatable for me.

That being said, if Adams is cut loose we could take a lineman in the first round.

I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.
 
the DoNkEy PuNcH;1956690 said:
I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.

I would have no problem with drafting Charles with the Cowboys 2nd rd pick. I know that is not popular with some but having watched Charles for a good while now I think he will be a very good back. Only problem I have seen with Charles is holding on to the ball but that even improved greatly as the season went on last year.
 
the DoNkEy PuNcH;1956690 said:
I can see both viewpoints. We do need that change-of-pace back to spell MBIII, but do we do it at the cost of a 1st round pick when we have more pressing needs, i.e., WR, RT, CB, etc.

A back I think that is just as good as the others who played in a pro-style offense is Jamal Charles from UT. I can't stand UT, but this guys has Reggie Bush-like talent. He can catch it out of the backfield and can torch any defense at any time. This is one of the deepest RB fields in a while. I don't see us shooting our wad in the first round when there are plenty of others available.

I don't like the Ray Rice talk. He's more like MBIII, a bruising back.

I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.
 
MichaelWinicki;1956753 said:
I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

Depends on the CB who are on the board when we pick.
 
MichaelWinicki;1956753 said:
I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

I agree with you MW. Maybe this idea will be buoyed by a free agent receiver being signed, then a pick can be used on a WR later, giving him time to develope.
 
MichaelWinicki;1956753 said:
I don't view RT as being a "need" at this point. That leaves WR and CB. CB is a given... I don't see how we don't use a first on a corner.

WR? Who's going to get more touches per game this year? A wide receiver who may not even be one of the top-3 WR's on this team or a RB, who'll automatically start out as the #2, getting 10-12 touches per game plus handling return duties.

Tackle may not be a position of need but would you pass on a tackle like Gosder Cherilus with the 28th pick?

Dallas should be able to get a CB with their pick at 22 but Cherilus would be hard to pass up if the top three running backs (Stewart, McFadden, and Mendenhall) are gone as well as receivers like Jackson, Kelly, and Manningham.
 
Zimmy Lives;1956778 said:
Tackle may not be a position of need but would you pass on a tackle like Gosder Cherilus with the 28th pick?

Dallas should be able to get a CB with their pick at 22 but Cherilus would be hard to pass up if the top three running backs (Stewart, McFadden, and Mendenhall) are gone as well as receivers like Jackson, Kelly, and Manningham.

If Adams isn't here in April, I'd consider taking a tackle in the first round, but if he's here then OT is off the board for me.
 
MichaelWinicki;1956781 said:
If Adams isn't here in April, I'd consider taking a tackle in the first round, but if he's here then OT is off the board for me.

Fair enough.

Cherilus, however, plays with an intensity this team hasn't seen since Erik Williams retired. He could be Columbo's replacement in 2009 when his contract expires.
 

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