New Mock Draft

[yentl911]

I had the opportunity to see Manningham play quite a bit and I am not sold on him. I think he has a world of potential but was never really able to put it all together on a consistent basis.....If we draft him I would hope he doesn't turn out to be another David Terrell.

I haven't seen much of Doucet - read alot about him though - does he have the size and speed to match up with the NFL DB's?

I am not sold on Cromartie either to be honest - questions about him being physical enough and small school competition......he isn't to be confused with the San Diego Cromartie.

I like Felix Jones in one of those two slots and a top flight corner from a big school that has played against top competition in the other.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Just curious whats the highest amount of picks an "expert" ever got right?

 

[Muhast]

I had the opportunity to see Manningham play quite a bit and I am not sold on him. I think he has a world of potential but was never really able to put it all together on a consistent basis.....If we draft him I would hope he doesn't turn out to be another David Terrell.

I haven't seen much of Doucet - read alot about him though - does he have the size and speed to match up with the NFL DB's?

I am not sold on Cromartie either to be honest - questions about him being physical enough and small school competition......he isn't to be confused with the San Diego Cromartie.

I like Felix Jones in one of those two slots and a top flight corner from a big school that has played against top competition in the other.

they had a senior bowl practice with Doucet vs all the corners and there wasnt a single corner who could cover him.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

any draft with us picking mario manningham is the worse draft ever then having us pick DRC at 28 is ridic if hes on the board at 22 we take him at 22

 

[masomenos]

While I think that 22 may be early for Manningham, I don't really understand all the negativity towards him. He's a legitimate top WR prospect.

Here's the run down on the top WRs, if a player was hurt for their senior year then I took the stats from their junior year (like for Sweed):

# of 100+ yard games
7 - Mario Manningham
7 - Devin Thomas
6 - James Hardy
4 - Keenan Burton
4 - Steve Johnson
3 - Limas Sweed
3 - DJ Hall
3 - Malcolm Kelly
2 - Desean Jackson
1 - Early Doucet (*stats from Jr year when he was the #3 WR)

# of games with at least one catch over 20 yards
12 - Thomas
11 - Manningham
11 - Johnson
9 - Burton
8 - Kelly
8 - Sweed
8 - Hardy
8 - Hall
7 - Doucet
7 - Jackson

# of games with at least one catch over 30 yards
9 - Burton
8 - Sweed
8 - Thomas
7 - Manningham
7 - Johnson
6 - Kelly
6 - Hardy
5 - Jackson
5 - Doucet
5 - Hall

# of games with at least one catch over 40 yards
5 - Manningham
5 - Kelly
5 - Sweed
5 - Thomas
5 - Hardy
4 - Johnson
3 - Burton
3 - Hall
3 - Jackson
1 - Doucet

# of games with at least one catch over 50 yards
3 - Sweed
3- Johnson
2 - Kelly
2 - Thomas
2 - Hardy
2 - Burton
1 - Manningham
1 - Hall
0 - Doucet
0 - Jackson

Manningham is also above average in terms of YPC, TD per game, catches per game and yards per game. I think a lot of the negativity comes from the bias against Michigan WRs, but in reality Manningham is a good prospect. He has good burst, tracks the ball well, has good body control, goes for the ball at its highpoint and has good speed. He's gotten better every single year in college, played well in ranked games against Oregon, Illinois, Wisconsin and Florida this year. You can question his ability to consistently go over the middle, but on a team like ours we already have those players who can work the middle and what we're lacking is the ability to stretch the field. Manningham is good at that. He's not a bad prospect at all.

* and obviously this isnt a list of everyone in the draft, just the 10 that I've done so far. As far as pre-combine rankings go, Manningham tops the WR list.

 

[peck-sicilyisland]

If they can get Doucet,that would be a big time player for years to come.T O wont be there forever.They need to start planning for Life after T O. AND WITH T O.

 

[BourbonBalz]

As a Kentucky Wildcat fan, I can assure you that Keenan Burton would also be a great pickup in the 3rd or 4th round. Not sure where he's projected to go. Maybe late 2nd round. He's strong and fast. Really has no weaknesses.

 

[theogt]

Is Long a realistic possibility to go to Miami at #1?

Yeah. He's the most likely. He's becoming the "consensus" right now, but that obviously could change 10 times before the draft.

 

[Future]

Yeah. He's the most likely. He's becoming the "consensus" right now, but that obviously could change 10 times before the draft.

Seems like with all the major holes they have, DE wouldn't be the right pick for them.

I'm assuming they trade out obviously, but I didn't realize he was the "consensus"

 

[DaBoys4Life]

While I think that 22 may be early for Manningham, I don't really understand all the negativity towards him. He's a legitimate top WR prospect.

Here's the run down on the top WRs, if a player was hurt for their senior year then I took the stats from their junior year (like for Sweed):

# of 100+ yard games
7 - Mario Manningham
7 - Devin Thomas
6 - James Hardy
4 - Keenan Burton
4 - Steve Johnson
3 - Limas Sweed
3 - DJ Hall
3 - Malcolm Kelly
2 - Desean Jackson
1 - Early Doucet (*stats from Jr year when he was the #3 WR)

# of games with at least one catch over 20 yards
12 - Thomas
11 - Manningham
11 - Johnson
9 - Burton
8 - Kelly
8 - Sweed
8 - Hardy
8 - Hall
7 - Doucet
7 - Jackson

# of games with at least one catch over 30 yards
9 - Burton
8 - Sweed
8 - Thomas
7 - Manningham
7 - Johnson
6 - Kelly
6 - Hardy
5 - Jackson
5 - Doucet
5 - Hall

# of games with at least one catch over 40 yards
5 - Manningham
5 - Kelly
5 - Sweed
5 - Thomas
5 - Hardy
4 - Johnson
3 - Burton
3 - Hall
3 - Jackson
1 - Doucet

# of games with at least one catch over 50 yards
3 - Sweed
3- Johnson
2 - Kelly
2 - Thomas
2 - Hardy
2 - Burton
1 - Manningham
1 - Hall
0 - Doucet
0 - Jackson

Manningham is also above average in terms of YPC, TD per game, catches per game and yards per game. I think a lot of the negativity comes from the bias against Michigan WRs, but in reality Manningham is a good prospect. He has good burst, tracks the ball well, has good body control, goes for the ball at its highpoint and has good speed. He's gotten better every single year in college, played well in ranked games against Oregon, Illinois, Wisconsin and Florida this year. You can question his ability to consistently go over the middle, but on a team like ours we already have those players who can work the middle and what we're lacking is the ability to stretch the field. Manningham is good at that. He's not a bad prospect at all.

* and obviously this isnt a list of everyone in the draft, just the 10 that I've done so far. As far as pre-combine rankings go, Manningham tops the WR list.

Doesn't step up in big games drops balls doesn't show in that stats i watched him drop balls in big games what were his numbers against applachation statE?

 

[masomenos]

As a Kentucky Wildcat fan, I can assure you that Keenan Burton would also be a great pickup in the 3rd or 4th round. Not sure where he's projected to go. Maybe late 2nd round. He's strong and fast. Really has no weaknesses.

Yeah Burton has been one of the more impressive WRs who I've looked at so far. If not for his injury this year he most likely would have at least matched his production from junior year. Steve Johnson sure stepped in nicely though.

 

[masomenos]

Doesn't step up in big games drops balls doesn't show in that stats i watched him drop balls in big games what were his numbers against applachation statE?

3 catches for 66 yards, 0 TDs and a long of 46 yards. He accounted for almost 30% of Michigan's passing game that day. Michigan's offense put up 32 points that game, it was their defense and ST unit that let them down.

Against ranked (i.e. big) teams Manninghams stats were:

Oregon: 8 catches 117 yards 0 TDs
Penn St: 6 catches 61 yards 0 TDs
Illinois: 9 catches 109 yards 2 TDs
Wisconsin: 3 catches 113 yards 2 TDs
Ohio St: 5 catches 43 yards 0 TDs
Florida: 5 catches 78 yards 1 TD

Thats 50% of his catches, 44% of his yards and 42% of his TDs in "big" games.

In games decided by a touchdown or less Manninghams stats were:

Appalachian St: 3 catches 66 yards 0 TDs
Penn St: 6 catches 61 yards 0 TDs
Michigan St: 8 catches 129 yards 2 TDs
Ohio St: 5 catches 43 yards
Florida: 5 catches 78 yards 1 TD

Thats 38% of his catches, 32% of his yards and 20% of his TD catches in close games.

All WRs drop passes. Calling Terrell Owens. Calling Patrick Crayton. It happens, and sometimes it happens in important situations. I even saw Cris Carter drop an easy game winning TD pass once . Manningham did have a rough game against Ohio St in terms of dropping passes, he dropped a number of passes against his teams biggest rival. You can't take one game and let it define a players career though. Manningham also caught the game winner on the last play against Penn St back in 2005 as a freshman.

Mannigham won't be Braylon Edwards, Im not saying that, but I think he will be able to make a significant impact in the NFL. At this point, I don't see any WRs in this draft who are going to be among the best at the position in the NFL. There's no Larry Fitzgerald or Braylon Edwards this year. But like I said, Manningham is a WR who has gotten better and better every season and he put up great numbers this year even though Chad Henne was hurt for four games and a freshman had to play QB. In two of the games that Chad Henne was hurt, Mike Hart was injured as well.

In the Minnesota game when both Henne and Hart were out, Manningham caught 5 of the QBs 11 completions and had 162 of the 233 yards through the air, including a long of 48 yards and the only TD reception. In the Wisconsin game when both Henne and Hart were out, Manningham caught 3 of the QBs 11 completions and had 113 of the 245 yards through the air, including a long of 97 yards and had caught two of the three TD passes thrown. Looks like he was able to step his game up to me.

 

[starfrombirth]

At this point, I don't see any WRs in this draft who are going to be among the best at the position in the NFL. There's no Larry Fitzgerald or Braylon Edwards this year. But like I said, Manningham is a WR who has gotten better and better every season and he put up great numbers this year even though Chad Henne was hurt for four games and a freshman had to play QB. In two of the games that Chad Henne was hurt, Mike Hart was injured as well.

If the talent isn't there in the first round then you don't draft that position there because whether he/they are that talented or not, we are gonna pay them like they are. If they aren't that talented then we draft them later and instead draft the bpa in an area of need who's talent most approaches the money we are going to be forced to pay them. :starspin

 

[YosemiteSam]

I like number 28.

Give me Cromartie and Reggie Smith (shown GB take him at 30) and I will be excited about our new secondary!

 

[cobra]

No to Manningham. I will be terribly disappointed if we draft him. No, no, no to Manningham. Can this worthless pile of garbage run anything besides a fly pattern? Anyone dumb enough to take Manningham in the 1st deserves failure.

Yes to DRC. I'm good with that.

I would begin my jihad against Valley Ranch if they passed on Jonathan Stewart for Mario Stinking Manningham. If the draft lands like that, I would be doing cartwheels for a JS and DRC 1st round. I'm also happy with a Felix and DRC first in that situation. Hell, I'd be happier with a Limas Sweed pick there over Manningham. Sweed's size at least gives you something to work with. Manningham is smallish and can't do anything other than fun straight down the field and hope that he won't be covered deep by whatever spare DII team that is being sacraficed to Michigan that week.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

3 catches for 66 yards, 0 TDs and a long of 46 yards. He accounted for almost 30% of Michigan's passing game that day. Michigan's offense put up 32 points that game, it was their defense and ST unit that let them down.

Against ranked (i.e. big) teams Manninghams stats were:

Oregon: 8 catches 117 yards 0 TDs
Penn St: 6 catches 61 yards 0 TDs
Illinois: 9 catches 109 yards 2 TDs (Another huge game where he made them look foolish)
Wisconsin: 3 catches 113 yards 2 TDs (I remember that guy he made them look foolish i think he had an 80 yard TD catch)
Ohio St: 5 catches 43 yards 0 TDs
Florida: 5 catches 78 yards 1 TD (Average)

Thats 50% of his catches, 44% of his yards and 42% of his TDs in "big" games.

In games decided by a touchdown or less Manninghams stats were:

Appalachian St: 3 catches 66 yards 0 TDs
Penn St: 6 catches 61 yards 0 TDs
Michigan St: 8 catches 129 yards 2 TDs
Ohio St: 5 catches 43 yards
Florida: 5 catches 78 yards 1 TD (Average)

I think he's good but to not be able to show up against your biggest rivals in the biggest game of your college career its a shame and not being able to get into the endzone against and appalachian st is ridic but he is a good prospect just not good for dallas

 

[03EBZ06]

Meh, I'm not feeling Manningham with #22 pick, perhaps in 2nd round pick but I wouldn't take him with #22.

 

[jazzcat22]

Substitute Doucet for Manningham and that would be absolutely dynamite. Maybe my dream draft this year.

That is true, wasn't thinking of Doucet at the time. Just responding about Manningham.

 

[masomenos]

If the talent isn't there in the first round then you don't draft that position there because whether he/they are that talented or not, we are gonna pay them like they are. If they aren't that talented then we draft them later and instead draft the bpa in an area of need who's talent most approaches the money we are going to be forced to pay them. :starspin

Oh, I agree. Like I said, I think 22 is too early for Manningham. I could see it maybe if we were to trade down into the early second round. As far as drafting later, luckily there are a couple guys in the early-mid rounds that are getting pretty underrated, and that may be where our best value comes from.

 

[marchetta]

I like DRC, but at 22 I would have taken Doucet over Manningham.

Exactly Right!!!