New mock (Pacman)

[ThatsmyQB]

If we trade a 4th or 5th rounder for Pacman, I heard the guy from DFW sports say that he'd start opposite Newman, we'd move Henry to F.S. and Hamlin to S.S. and Roy would play only limited snaps, which makes sense.
Plus Henry would then be our 3rd C.B. on passing downs with Hamlin and Watkins back at safety.
So, this takes away any pressing needs to get a top corner in the draft in round 1 for sure, maybe even not till round 3 since we'l only need depth at that point.

I am also thinking Jerry is gonna work out a trade for Roy Williams (W.R.) or Chad Johnson with one of our 1st rounders (say #22).
So right now for this mock, we gave up our 4th fror Pacman and #22 for Roy Williams lets say.

Now this might sound off the wall, but why not go for Desean Jackson if he's there at #28?
What player at #28 would make more of an impact?
He'd VASTLY improve our return game and he'd be yet ANOTHER THREAT on offense for teams to worry about making our offense virtually unstoppable.
I mean can you imagine MB111 in the backfield in a one back set with T.O. on one side, Roy Williams ont he other, Witten at T.E. and Jackson in the slot????????
I think Romo would SHATTER every record in the book! LOL

So here's my draft
#22 Trade for Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Rd: Trade up for R.B. Felix Jones/Chris Johnson/Stewart if he falls.

I don't care who esle we draft, we'd get a top C.B. in Pacman, we'd get a Pro-Bowl W.R. opposite T.O., we'd get a Devin Hester type return man plus a speed slot receiver and yet another weapon for Romo and Garrett to play with, and we'd get a great compliment to Barber.
What else do you really want?
Use our other picks to grab another C.B. for added depth and grab a Guard and a N.T. and we're set.

#22 W.R. Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Round: R.B. Felix Jones
(now that's adding a WOW Factor to our offense)
3rd rd: Used to move up in round 2.
4th rd: used for Pacman
5th round: C. Fernand Velasco
6th Round: D.T. Jason Shirley
7th round: C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

The top 3 picks would come in and contribute immediately and of course Pacman on top of it.
We'd also secure all of our SKILL POSITION players on offense for Romo's career and for the rest of Romo's career, all we'll ever have to draft is offensive lineman and DEFENSE! :laugh2:

 

[Tobal]

Not this yr, we have no numbers at CB, we waren't going to move a solid starter from there.

 

[Maxmadden]

Not real crazy about F. Jones pick, and not really that excited about D. Jackson.

If your counting on getting Pac Man then Jackson doesn't make alot of sense.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Not real crazy about F. Jones pick, and not really that excited about D. Jackson.

If your counting on getting Pac Man then Jackson doesn't make alot of sense.

Jackson is more electrifying in the return game then Pacman, and I was thiking Jackson would add another dimension on offense in the slot, not to mention take over opposite Roy Williams once T.O. is gone.
I'm thinking, we're SO CLOSE right now to winning a superbowl, and adding Jackson to be our slot receiver would make the most IMPACT this year on our team for a superbowl run than anyone else we could get at pick #28 IMO if we get Pacman to take care of our C.B. position, not to mention if one of our receivers gets hurt we'll have another guy to step in so that our offense doesn't drop off.

I am just thinking if we get Pacman and get the w.R. in Roy Williams, and knowing we could get a R.B. with our 2nd rounder or move up in round 2 for a R.B., this pick #28 is a luxury pick IMO and why not use it on a guy who would help the most THIS YEAR (as well as the future), I just think putting Jackson in the slot on 3rd downs with T.O. and Roy Williams split wide and Witten at T.E. that our 3rd down efficiency would be through the roof, not to mention the big play ability and speed dimension he'd bring to the table.
If you don't like Felix Jones, replace him with Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles then.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Not this yr, we have no numbers at CB, we waren't going to move a solid starter from there.

What does this even mean?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Not real crazy about F. Jones pick, and not really that excited about D. Jackson.

If your counting on getting Pac Man then Jackson doesn't make alot of sense.

I agree.

Pac Man is a proven threat in that area where Jackson is just a rookie and who knows how well he would do in the pros.

Plus you have to consider that with Pac Man, you just don't know when he makes another knuckle head move and gets a suspension (probably for life) we also don't know if Henry will stay healthy, as it seems he can not for a full season anymore.

Now that does not mean we have to get a CB in the first round if the scenario ,the original poster stated, pans out...however it also does not mean you take a WR for ST duty if you are getting pac man.

Personally I say if you get pac and Williams than you take the best player available with the other first round pick as long as it is not at QB, TE, FB, LB, DE or DT.

You could be ok with a good CB, WR, RB or even some on the O-Line.

If those trades do go down as expected I think the boys will either trade down or stay pat and take the best RB on the board...but that is just me thinking right now...who knows what I will be thinking right before the draft.

 

[Maxmadden]

Jackson is more electrifying in the return game then Pacman, and I was thiking Jackson would add another dimension on offense in the slot, not to mention take over opposite Roy Williams once T.O. is gone.
I'm thinking, we're SO CLOSE right now to winning a superbowl, and adding Jackson to be our slot receiver would make the most IMPACT this year on our team for a superbowl run than anyone else we could get at pick #28 IMO if we get Pacman to take care of our C.B. position, not to mention if one of our receivers gets hurt we'll have another guy to step in so that our offense doesn't drop off.

I am just thinking if we get Pacman and get the w.R. in Roy Williams, and knowing we could get a R.B. with our 2nd rounder or move up in round 2 for a R.B., this pick #28 is a luxury pick IMO and why not use it on a guy who would help the most THIS YEAR (as well as the future), I just think putting Jackson in the slot on 3rd downs with T.O. and Roy Williams split wide and Witten at T.E. that our 3rd down efficiency would be through the roof, not to mention the big play ability and speed dimension he'd bring to the table.
If you don't like Felix Jones, replace him with Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles then.

I really don't dislike any of your picks, and this is a very solid response with sound logic. I just felt like since your such a "MOCK KNOCKER" I would knock you a little, since DaBoys4Life is not here to argue with you.

I just don't see the point of arguing over something that is TOTAL guesswork to say the least. People make there mocks on who they think they want given the circumstances. Some are realistic (yours usually are for example) and some seem to be on the optimistic side.

But to criticize someones draft because you have a belief that your right and they are wrong simply because your guess is better than theirs, well, I just think that maybe there is a possibility that you put too much credit in your own guess.

I realize you are very knowledgeable about the draft and you are able to provide good info to the forum. But however you come to the conclusion of you draft your guess is no better than any one elses. Pehaps you could be a little more suggestive and maybe a little less contradictory.

 

[jchocolate82]

If we trade a 4th or 5th rounder for Pacman, I heard the guy from DFW sports say that he'd start opposite Newman, we'd move Henry to F.S. and Hamlin to S.S. and Roy would play only limited snaps, which makes sense.
Plus Henry would then be our 3rd C.B. on passing downs with Hamlin and Watkins back at safety.
So, this takes away any pressing needs to get a top corner in the draft in round 1 for sure, maybe even not till round 3 since we'l only need depth at that point.

I am also thinking Jerry is gonna work out a trade for Roy Williams (W.R.) or Chad Johnson with one of our 1st rounders (say #22).
So right now for this mock, we gave up our 4th fror Pacman and #22 for Roy Williams lets say.

Now this might sound off the wall, but why not go for Desean Jackson if he's there at #28?
What player at #28 would make more of an impact?
He'd VASTLY improve our return game and he'd be yet ANOTHER THREAT on offense for teams to worry about making our offense virtually unstoppable.
I mean can you imagine MB111 in the backfield in a one back set with T.O. on one side, Roy Williams ont he other, Witten at T.E. and Jackson in the slot????????
I think Romo would SHATTER every record in the book! LOL

So here's my draft
#22 Trade for Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Rd: Trade up for R.B. Felix Jones/Chris Johnson/Stewart if he falls.

I don't care who esle we draft, we'd get a top C.B. in Pacman, we'd get a Pro-Bowl W.R. opposite T.O., we'd get a Devin Hester type return man plus a speed slot receiver and yet another weapon for Romo and Garrett to play with, and we'd get a great compliment to Barber.
What else do you really want?
Use our other picks to grab another C.B. for added depth and grab a Guard and a N.T. and we're set.

#22 W.R. Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Round: R.B. Felix Jones
(now that's adding a WOW Factor to our offense)
3rd rd: Used to move up in round 2.
4th rd: used for Pacman
5th round: C. Fernand Velasco
6th Round: D.T. Jason Shirley
7th round: C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

The top 3 picks would come in and contribute immediately and of course Pacman on top of it.
We'd also secure all of our SKILL POSITION players on offense for Romo's career and for the rest of Romo's career, all we'll ever have to draft is offensive lineman and DEFENSE! :laugh2:

I wouldnt be thrilled with DJ one bit. The dude is just too small for me to draft on an NFL team and dont even bring up steve smith being small either cause Smith has a lot more muscle on that frame than Jackson

 

[Rampage]

What does this even mean?

it means henry is not going to free safety and roy is not getting benched or playing limited snaps unless he gets even worse than last year. even than i still don't see roy riding the pine.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I really don't dislike any of your picks, and this is a very solid response with sound logic. I just felt like since your such a "MOCK KNOCKER" I would knock you a little, since DaBoys4Life is not here to argue with you.

I just don't see the point of arguing over something that is TOTAL guesswork to say the least. People make there mocks on who they think they want given the circumstances. Some are realistic (yours usually are for example) and some seem to be on the optimistic side.

But to criticize someones draft because you have a belief that your right and they are wrong simply because your guess is better than theirs, well, I just think that maybe there is a possibility that you put too much credit in your own guess.

I realize you are very knowledgeable about the draft and you are able to provide good info to the forum. But however you come to the conclusion of you draft your guess is no better than any one elses. Pehaps you could be a little more suggestive and maybe a little less contradictory.

:bravo:

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I wouldnt be thrilled with DJ one bit. The dude is just too small for me to draft on an NFL team and dont even bring up steve smith being small either cause Smith has a lot more muscle on that frame than Jackson

Then how about I bring up Wes Welker!
You saw what an impact a small speedy guy in the slot can do to a team against us when teams try and take away the outside W.R.'s.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

I really don't dislike any of your picks, and this is a very solid response with sound logic. I just felt like since your such a "MOCK KNOCKER" I would knock you a little, since DaBoys4Life is not here to argue with you.

Hey no problem, I can take it out and I can receive it no problem.

I just don't see the point of arguing over something that is TOTAL guesswork to say the least. People make there mocks on who they think they want given the circumstances. Some are realistic (yours usually are for example) and some seem to be on the optimistic side.

But to criticize someones draft because you have a belief that your right and they are wrong simply because your guess is better than theirs, well, I just think that maybe there is a possibility that you put too much credit in your own guess.

I don't have any problem with guys picking different players or different positions than I think we'll go or that I like personally, HOWEVER, when people start saying what if McFadden falls to #22 do we take him, or when they got players in Kipers top 25 (not like he's the best, but) going to us in the late 4th round, that's when I have to step in for a REALITY check is all.

I realize you are very knowledgeable about the draft and you are able to provide good info to the forum. But however you come to the conclusion of you draft your guess is no better than any one elses. Pehaps you could be a little more suggestive and maybe a little less contradictory.

See above, I have no problem with you or anyone saying we shouldn't take JAckson in round 1 or some people don't like his size, or if you guys think we should still take a C.B. in round 1 if we sign Pacman, etc., see above, I only have a problem when people rate players so badly is all.
Like the guy hwo picked a guy like I said in Kipers top 25, 23rd overall to be exact and he has him going to us in his mock in the late 4th round, those are the only things I really have a problem with.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

it means henry is not going to free safety and roy is not getting benched or playing limited snaps unless he gets even worse than last year. even than i still don't see roy riding the pine.

If we get Pacman, I would hope our coachign staff would want the best players on the field, and if we get Pacman, I think we should move Henry to F.S.
Just responding to what Braqdy from DFW sports said on his tv show.
what would be a better secondary?

C.B. Terence Newman
C.B. Anthony Henry
F.S. Ken Hamlin
S.S. Roy Williams

or

C.B. Terence Newman
C.B. Pacman Jones
F.S. Anthony Henry
S.S. Ken Hamlin

Nothin for nothin, I like the latter a LOT better.

 

[jcr]

Way to many assumptions. Pac deal is far from done deal. What makes you think they have a chance at RW or CJ. Johnson would cost the Bengals too much money to let him go. and there's no reason for Det to trade RW.

If for some reason your pipe dream plays out, they'll trade out of the first round for a first round next yr and and later round this yr.

Henry won't move to FS this yr, maybe have him learn it for yr, but they won't make the switch this yr. Pacman has been out for over a long time, it will take him time to get back in the grove.

 

[Maxmadden]

Hey no problem, I can take it out and I can receive it no problem.





I don't have any problem with guys picking different players or different positions than I think we'll go or that I like personally, HOWEVER, when people start saying what if McFadden falls to #22 do we take him, or when they got players in Kipers top 25 (not like he's the best, but) going to us in the late 4th round, that's when I have to step in for a REALITY check is all.



See above, I have no problem with you or anyone saying we shouldn't take JAckson in round 1 or some people don't like his size, or if you guys think we should still take a C.B. in round 1 if we sign Pacman, etc., see above, I only have a problem when people rate players so badly is all.
Like the guy hwo picked a guy like I said in Kipers top 25, 23rd overall to be exact and he has him going to us in his mock in the late 4th round, those are the only things I really have a problem with.

OK, I understand your frustration on some of the above issues. Like I said, you seem more than knowledgeable about the draft. I wouldn't disagree with what you've said, I was merely suggesting you try a little different approach.

If, for example, someone asks should we take Chris Long if he slides to 22. Is this someone who you believe is receptive to your gift of REALITY?...........

I don't post often, but I read most everything. I appreciate your input and hope you continue providing information that I am too lazy or lack the time to find.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Way to many assumptions.

Um, that's what mocks are, ASSUMPTIONS!

Pac deal is far from done deal.

Well apprently Pacman made a verbal deal already with us, and we are gonna give them a 7th rounder, seems almost all but dotting the I's and crossing the T's once he gets unsuspended, the only thing holding the deal up.

What makes you think they have a chance at RW or CJ.

Beause it's been reported the Lions want to get something for Roy now because they feel he wnats out of detroit and only has one more year left on his deal and that he'll bolt in F/A so they want to get something for him now and Jerry is interested in him.
CJ wants out of Cincy, we want a WOW player opposite T.O.!

Johnson would cost the Bengals too much money to let him go. and there's no reason for Det to trade RW.

How much money will it cost the Bengals?
Do you know the cap hit on him?
The reason for leting RW go was mentioned above!
Chad will not be in Cincy this year, that's pretty much well known.

If for some reason your pipe dream plays out, they'll trade out of the first round for a first round next yr and and later round this yr.

And you say I MAKE TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS?
now you're saying like it's A FACT THAT WE'LL TRADE OUT OF ROUND 1.
Only problem with that scenario is who's gonna trade next years 1st rounder?
Only reason that happened last year was cause Brady fell, I don't see a TOP FLIGHT player like he was at the position he plays that could fall, that's a HUGE ASSUMPTION on your part that a top player big enough to give up a 1st rounder next year to move up falls to us.
You call it a PIPE DREAM, I'm saying it's VERY PLAUSIBLE!
Pacman already verbally agreed to the trade, and everyone knows Jerry wants a vet W.R. opposite T.O., so that makes it HIGHLY POSSIBLE we trade ofr CJ or RW!

Henry won't move to FS this yr, maybe have him learn it for yr, but they won't make the switch this yr. Pacman has been out for over a long time, it will take him time to get back in the grove.

For a guy who says I make a lot of assumptions, your whole response is huge assumptions.
I'm sure Henry is experienced enough to not need a whole year to learn to play F.S., he's been in the league long enough, he even played F.S. in college.
You say they WON'T make the switch this year, why not?
If Pacman is in shape, and no one knows if he is or not, but as long as he's in shape, he'll be fine.
I don't see h im taking a lot of time to get back in the groove h'es only 24 years old and has been playing football his whole life, and it's not like he's coming back from surgery or anything.
Like I said, for someone getting on my case for making assumptions (whihc is what a mock is SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT) you sure are making a TON of assumptions on your end!

 

[ThatsmyQB]

If, for example, someone asks should we take Chris Long if he slides to 22. Is this someone who you believe is receptive to your gift of REALITY?...........

I don't post often, but I read most everything. I appreciate your input and hope you continue providing information that I am too lazy or lack the time to find.

That's perfectly acceptable if you come on here and ask questiosn cause you dont' know or don't wanna do the leg work, and just want your questions like this answered, that's perfectly fine, but when people act like they know what they're talkin about and say something like this, that's what p1sses me off.

But if you want to know if it's possible that he falls and what not and are simply asking a question cause you really don't know much, that's perfectly fine and I'd be repsectfull and answer it normally, I only go off on the ones who act like experts and have no freakin clue what they're talkin about is all.
If that was an actual question about Long, no, he would never fall out of the top 10 in a million years and if he fell out of the top5 I'd fall out of my bed on draft day and wake up from my dream I was having.
I'd have a better shot at winning back to back to back lotto's on consecutive weeks then him falling to #22.

If you have any questyions you want answered by me about any other p-layers, feel free to ask away.

 

[Maxmadden]

If we trade a 4th or 5th rounder for Pacman, I heard the guy from DFW sports say that he'd start opposite Newman, we'd move Henry to F.S. and Hamlin to S.S. and Roy would play only limited snaps, which makes sense.
Plus Henry would then be our 3rd C.B. on passing downs with Hamlin and Watkins back at safety.
So, this takes away any pressing needs to get a top corner in the draft in round 1 for sure, maybe even not till round 3 since we'l only need depth at that point.

I am also thinking Jerry is gonna work out a trade for Roy Williams (W.R.) or Chad Johnson with one of our 1st rounders (say #22).
So right now for this mock, we gave up our 4th fror Pacman and #22 for Roy Williams lets say.

Now this might sound off the wall, but why not go for Desean Jackson if he's there at #28?
What player at #28 would make more of an impact?
He'd VASTLY improve our return game and he'd be yet ANOTHER THREAT on offense for teams to worry about making our offense virtually unstoppable.
I mean can you imagine MB111 in the backfield in a one back set with T.O. on one side, Roy Williams ont he other, Witten at T.E. and Jackson in the slot????????
I think Romo would SHATTER every record in the book! LOL

So here's my draft
#22 Trade for Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Rd: Trade up for R.B. Felix Jones/Chris Johnson/Stewart if he falls.

I don't care who esle we draft, we'd get a top C.B. in Pacman, we'd get a Pro-Bowl W.R. opposite T.O., we'd get a Devin Hester type return man plus a speed slot receiver and yet another weapon for Romo and Garrett to play with, and we'd get a great compliment to Barber.
What else do you really want?
Use our other picks to grab another C.B. for added depth and grab a Guard and a N.T. and we're set.

#22 W.R. Roy Williams
#28 W.R. Desean Jackson
2nd Round: R.B. Felix Jones
(now that's adding a WOW Factor to our offense)
3rd rd: Used to move up in round 2.
4th rd: used for Pacman
5th round: C. Fernand Velasco
6th Round: D.T. Jason Shirley
7th round: C.B. Jake Ikegwounu

The top 3 picks would come in and contribute immediately and of course Pacman on top of it.
We'd also secure all of our SKILL POSITION players on offense for Romo's career and for the rest of Romo's career, all we'll ever have to draft is offensive lineman and DEFENSE! :laugh2:

I wouldn't be against D. Jackson in your scenerio. But he does scare me a little as far as bust potential. Who would return punts, P.Jones or Jackson?

I wouldn't be against trading up in the second for a solid RB and would like to see this happen.

I wouldn't want to give up a 4th for P. Jones. We need to draft some young corners even if we acquire Jones. What happens if and when Henry gets hurt and/or P. Jones gets suspended again? These are two scenarios that might not be likely but are nontheless very possible. So in your scenario I would rather have RW with the 28th pick and use the 22 on CB. If we had to use the 22cond on RW, then I think I would try and trade down into the second and pick up a few more draft picks for 1 or 2 solid CBs as opposed to drafting Jackson..or settling for Dexter Jackson with one of those later picks.

I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to your scenario although I don't really want Jones (Felix or PacMan). But we will need to have some insurance at all times with P. Jones on the team. We will need to draft a CB earlier than the 5th round which is the earliest your scenario would dictate.

 

[Maxmadden]

That's perfectly acceptable if you come on here and ask questiosn cause you dont' know or don't wanna do the leg work, and just want your questions like this answered, that's perfectly fine, but when people act like they know what they're talkin about and say something like this, that's what p1sses me off.

But if you want to know if it's possible that he falls and what not and are simply asking a question cause you really don't know much, that's perfectly fine and I'd be repsectfull and answer it normally, I only go off on the ones who act like experts and have no freakin clue what they're talkin about is all.
If that was an actual question about Long, no, he would never fall out of the top 10 in a million years and if he fell out of the top5 I'd fall out of my bed on draft day and wake up from my dream I was having.
I'd have a better shot at winning back to back to back lotto's on consecutive weeks then him falling to #22.

If you have any questyions you want answered by me about any other p-layers, feel free to ask away.

The question wasn't about Chris Long. Thanks anyway.

 

[TheCount]

I wouldn't want to give up a 4th for P. Jones. We need to draft some young corners even if we acquire Jones.

I wouldn't either, I think a 5th is high enough since we have the first pick in the 5th round thanks to the trade of Ferguson. If they expect more, they'll have to take a 5th and a 7th or at most a 5th and a 6th.