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big dog cowboy · Jan 10, 2015

MichaelWinicki said:
The Cowboys seem to have learned to play the "Let's get a high rated guy (on our board) instead of a 'need' kinda pick".

I would think they'll pick up a FA DE or two along the way so a 1st round DE isn't a must.

Hope they feel that way about ROT, S and CB also.

xwalker · Jan 10, 2015

The Realist said:
It's actually quite obvious that Lawrence is quicker than Ealy.

Not sure what that has to do with Golden though.

You were referencing a timed speed for Golden. My point was that timed speed is misleading.

supercowboy8 · Jan 10, 2015

The Realist said:
Like who?

If you think Golden is slow you are going to hate Lawrence. Golden timed faster at his Junior day. Cuz 4.72 is slow I guess.

Oh I wasn't talking tratrack time there cuz. Last time I checked golden isn't running a 40. He's slow off the ball and out of his stance. Lawerence is faster.
Why you looking at 40 time for a DE. You want him to play WR.

supercowboy8 · Jan 10, 2015

xwalker said:
Ealy had similar timed speed to Lawrence, but Lawrence was a much quicker player on the field, IMO.

I've have not spent a lot of time watching Golden, just giving my opinion as of right now.

Agreed. On the field, who cares about track speed, golden is slow off the ball. He's strong and can set the edge but usually is blocked by only 1 person since Ray gets most the attention. Look at Ealy last year, Golden is in the same situation but Ray is better than Sam. Ealy was a mid to late 2nd round pick and I didn't like him last year. He was to slow for me and he was and is better than Golden.

Just my opinion but Golden maybe late 2nd round like Ealy was.

The Realist · Jan 10, 2015

supercowboy8 said:
Agreed. On the field, who cares about track speed, golden is slow off the ball. He's strong and can set the edge but usually is blocked by only 1 person since Ray gets most the attention. Look at Ealy last year, Golden is in the same situation but Ray is better than Sam. Ealy was a mid to late 2nd round pick and I didn't like him last year. He was to slow for me and he was and is better than Golden.

Just my opinion but Golden maybe late 2nd round like Ealy was.

Golden is obviously a quicker/better athlete than Ealy is. If Golden is slow off the ball then Ealy is a NT.

supercowboy8 · Jan 10, 2015

The Realist said:
Golden is obviously a quicker/better athlete than Ealy is. If Golden is slow off the ball then Ealy is a NT.

What ever you want to tell your self.

I didn't like Ealy last year and I don't care for Golden this year.

The Realist · Jan 10, 2015

supercowboy8 said:
What ever you want to tell your self.

I didn't like Ealy last year and I don't care for Golden this year.

I don't recall anyone asking your opinion.

Take your ball and go home.

supercowboy8 · Jan 10, 2015

The Realist said:
I don't recall anyone asking your opinion.

Take your ball and go home.

Noone asked yours either. You get your feelings hurt again because someone didn't agree with you? Sorry but it's going to heppen. Don't post if you don't want someone else's opinion.

The Realist · Jan 11, 2015

Yeah, I guess it's bound to heppen. "Noone" is going to agree with me all the time.

VACowboy · Jan 11, 2015

If you want quick off the ball, look at Max Valles. I'd love for him to fall to us in the third.

The Realist · Jan 11, 2015

VACowboy said:
If you want quick off the ball, look at Max Valles. I'd love for him to fall to us in the third.

What school is he from?

LatinMind · Jan 11, 2015

ghst187 said:
not a bad draft, like Golden end of the first. That's also who Walterfootball's new mock has us taking there. I find Nate Orchard also intriguing but seems Golden would fit our needs better replacing Spencer essentially as Golden is bigger. I think its a foregone conclusion we will be taking a pass rusher with our first pick. I like going CB in the second but its BPA versus a DT there IMO. Believe Walter has us taking DT Bennett with our second pick which would be a coup IMO. They also have DT Malcolm Brown falling to mid-to late second. I fear they will both go much higher as DTs always shoot up the boards come draft day versus where people project them to go. That said, I'd love Bennett there or even Preston Smith as I think he can slide out to DE on running downs and inside to DT on passing downs plus he's 6'6" so he's going to knock some passes down and has some pass rushing utility. I think he's a third round talent but we'll pick so late it won't matter.
I like taking WR/KR Lockett in the third if possible as I see Harris leaving.
I'm ok with Havenstein in the 5th, think that's about the right place for an OL pick and hard to argue with a Wisconsin guy.
Don't know anything about your LB but I feel confident we will be looking hard at LBs starting in the 4th round.

If Dallas loses this week or next week i think Jerry would sell out and go after a top vet like JPP or Hardy to rush the edge. Hell i still think he will. No rookie will give you what they can and both are still really young

therock1982 · Jan 11, 2015

not a fan of golden tbh.I dont see him as an improvement over any of our ends.

The Realist said:
Golden is obviously a quicker/better athlete than Ealy is. If Golden is slow off the ball then Ealy is a NT.

me personally id take ealy over golden given a straight choice.
i dont see 1st round potential when in golden,but then again i dont in calhoun or dupree either and most probably atleast 2 of them will go top 32.
Thats why im sat here and not with will mclay on the experts table

VACowboy · Jan 11, 2015

The Realist said:
What school is he from?

Virginia.

tm1119 · Jan 11, 2015

supercowboy8 said:
Oh I wasn't talking tratrack time there cuz. Last time I checked golden isn't running a 40. He's slow off the ball and out of his stance. Lawerence is faster.
Why you looking at 40 time for a DE. You want him to play WR.

http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=253588&gif=AmbitiousMaleFruitfly

The Realist · Jan 11, 2015

VACowboy said:
Virginia.

I know. Kidding.

The Realist · Jan 11, 2015

tm1119 said:
http://www.draftbreakdown.com/gif-embed/?clip=253588&gif=AmbitiousMaleFruitfly

Hilarious

VACowboy · Jan 11, 2015

The Realist said:
I know. Kidding.

Woops. Missed the sarcasm!

But I'm not homering. This kid is a player.

Doomsdayblitz · Jan 14, 2015

Golden had 10 sacks this season, while Hau'oli Kikaha had 19 sacks & 25 TFLs this year, & 13 sacks last season. Would take him over Golden easy. Next up would be an OT, then a run-stopping DT. Here goes:
1. Hau'oli Kikaha, DE, Washington: 6-3, 250. D. Lawrence has the body type to get bigger & move over to LDE. The two will reek havoc for a decade.

2. Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami: 6-5, 320. Quality replacement for Free.

3. Antwuan Woods, DT, Notre Dame: 6-1, 325. Finally get a little more meanness & beef in the middle to stuff the run.

4. Cam Thomas, CB, W. Kentucky: 6-1, 190. Begin the process of replacing Carr & Claiborne.

The Realist · Jan 14, 2015

Cogan said:
Golden had 10 sacks this season, while Hau'oli Kikaha had 19 sacks & 25 TFLs this year, & 13 sacks last season. Would take him over Golden easy. Next up would be an OT, then a run-stopping DT. Here goes:
1. Hau'oli Kikaha, DE, Washington: 6-3, 250. D. Lawrence has the body type to get bigger & move over to LDE. The two will reek havoc for a decade.

2. Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami: 6-5, 320. Quality replacement for Free.

3. Antwuan Woods, DT, Notre Dame: 6-1, 325. Finally get a little more meanness & beef in the middle to stuff the run.

4. Cam Thomas, CB, W. Kentucky: 6-1, 190. Begin the process of replacing Carr & Claiborne.

No one thinks the Washington kid can play DE and he has a history of knee injuries. On top of that he's not going in one.

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