New NFL Blueprint for GMs and Owners

[Irvin88_4life]

hes done nothing Daks rookie was better, FACT we forget ROTY and 13 win, 11 straight wins and played great in the playoffs.. sure a one game nfl starter is better like Rush is or was..not a chance. Dak did what Purdys doing and did it first but didn't have the defense or as good a coach, think about that.

2016 would have been special with SF d and coaching staff.

Sam Howell is undefeated in the NFL.

Purdy is playing in the NFC championship, something Dak still hasn't done.

 

[Rogerthat12]

 

[RS12]

The smart GMs

Let me stop you right there.

 

[TwentyOne]

Only 3 of the past 16 Super Bowl winning QBs were on their rookie contract.

• On Rookie Contract Yes/No
• 2006 No Peyton Manning
• 2007 Yes Eli Manning
• 2008 No Ben Roethlisberger*
• 2009 No Drew Brees
• 2010 No Aaron Rodgers
• 2011 No Eli Manning
• 2012 No Joe Flacco*
• 2013 Yes Russell Wilson
• 2014 No Tom Brady
• 2015 No Peyton Manning
• 2016 No Tom Brady
• 2017 No Nick Foles
• 2018 No Tom Brady
• 2019 Yes Patrick Mahomes
• 2020 No Tom Brady
• 2021 No Matthew Stafford

I didnt say they were on rookie contracts. where did you get that from ?

 

[john van brocklin]

The owners have been complaining for years about the price of QB’s being out of control. And everyone says
“you gotta pay them”
That might come to a complete halt if Purdy or Hurts wins the Superbowl.

The smart GMs are spending these years where they aren’t paying a QB 30-40-50 million, building great and even perfect teams.

Building the trenches first, then the WR’s, Safeties, and DB’s. Then the RB’s and LB’s. They have stacked teams with cheap QB’s that they can have manage the games.

The QB basically has a four year tryout to become Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers or Burrow. If he’s not as good as one of those guys, they draft another one and keep building.

This is going to save the teams hundreds of millions on QB spending. It’s going to let them spread that money around, and drive that crazy QB market down to where it needs to be. You’re either a top 4 guy, or we are going with someone on a rookie deal.

This theory will take off like wildfire if Purdy or Hurts wins.

Yep, Jerry had his cheap QB for 4 years and we won multiple SBs .......
Guess you gotta have a competent GM for your plan to work, nevermind...

 

[TwentyOne]

From 2010 only cheap QB to win SB were Foles,Flacco and maybe Mahomes ( I am lazy to check if was on rookie contract). Others was top QB( Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson) and Eli

- Wilson was on his rookie deal when he won the SB and in the following year where they lost to NE.
- Eli won his first SB on a rookie deal. He was on a compareable cheap deal when he won his second.
- Brady for instance always played on cheap deals compared to other QBs.
- Payton was a cheap commodity when he won for the colts.
- Aaron Rodgers won the SB being on a cheap deal.

And what do you mean with "maybe" Mahomes was on a cheap deal ? The guy was on his rookie contract during his 2 SB apperances.

And btw cheap doesnt mean rookie deal.
And Top QB doesnt mean expensive.

 

[blueblood70]

Sam Howell is undefeated in the NFL.

Purdy is playing in the NFC championship, something Dak still hasn't done.

you really think 1-0 in game 17 final game OF SEASON MAKES A CAREER laughable and total joke and you are delusional...cooper rush then is better than Howell. we saw mike white do that game here and there and back to backup. Foles won a SB then back to lowly backup duty, hard to be starter especially of the DC and Daks

we have seen many young backups be ok in spt duty until they are pout to real tests, heck weve seen Darnold, Mayfield ,and other just this year be good here and there..not for 17 games and for a full season.

we shall see this future HOF play a season if he makes it that far we can chat...

 

[nobody]

Seems like I've heard "pay da man" about a zillion times on this board, and many of those zillion in reference to Dak.

At the time, I was a big Dak fan and even then I was saying "Let him walk if the choice is between 40 million and searching for a new QB."

Sadly, there are still a few guys who believe Dak is great. I think they're more Dak fans that Cowboys fans. I was wrong about Dak. He can't get it done. He's a choker.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

you really think 1-0 in game 17 final game OF SEASON MAKES A CAREER laughable and total joke and you are delusional...cooper rush then is better than Howell. we saw mike white do that game here and there and back to backup. Foles won a SB then back to lowly backup duty, hard to be starter especially of the DC and Daks

we have seen many young backups be ok in spt duty until they are pout to real tests, heck weve seen Darnold, Mayfield ,and other just this year be good here and there..not for 17 games and for a full season.

we shall see this future HOF play a season if he makes it that far we can chat...

I just see your gums flapping

Facts are

Sam Howell is undefeated in the NFL
Dak hasn't won a divisional round playoff game yet while Purdy has.......

 

[Miller]

Stud TEs are the norm! Despite them all looking like trans that love airing it out it seems there is an inherent toughness even with KC and Cincy. Trenches, TE, QBs

 

[Frosty]

Only 3 of the past 16 Super Bowl winning QBs were on their rookie contract.

• On Rookie Contract Yes/No
• 2006 No Peyton Manning
• 2007 Yes Eli Manning
• 2008 No Ben Roethlisberger*
• 2009 No Drew Brees
• 2010 No Aaron Rodgers
• 2011 No Eli Manning
• 2012 No Joe Flacco*
• 2013 Yes Russell Wilson
• 2014 No Tom Brady
• 2015 No Peyton Manning
• 2016 No Tom Brady
• 2017 No Nick Foles
• 2018 No Tom Brady
• 2019 Yes Patrick Mahomes
• 2020 No Tom Brady
• 2021 No Matthew Stafford

But how many of those QB ate 15-20% of the teams cap or 40mil or more a year....

 

[blueblood70]

I just see your gums flapping

Facts are

Sam Howell is undefeated in the NFL
Dak hasn't won a divisional round playoff game yet while Purdy has.......

Purdys team has , sure..howells joke at this point as are you..

that's enough ridiculousness from you ... 1-0 right has, so much validity, as much as you do, NOT .. go be a redshirt fan..BYE!

 

[blueblood70]

doesn't apply, we beat many winning teams this seaosn,.won road games made it to the 2nd round..get something new or exit to the right and watch your step..

 

[DCCowboys11]

The owners have been complaining for years about the price of QB’s being out of control. And everyone says
“you gotta pay them”
That might come to a complete halt if Purdy or Hurts wins the Superbowl.

The smart GMs are spending these years where they aren’t paying a QB 30-40-50 million, building great and even perfect teams.

Building the trenches first, then the WR’s, Safeties, and DB’s. Then the RB’s and LB’s. They have stacked teams with cheap QB’s that they can have manage the games.

The QB basically has a four year tryout to become Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers or Burrow. If he’s not as good as one of those guys, they draft another one and keep building.

This is going to save the teams hundreds of millions on QB spending. It’s going to let them spread that money around, and drive that crazy QB market down to where it needs to be. You’re either a top 4 guy, or we are going with someone on a rookie deal.

This theory will take off like wildfire if Purdy or Hurts wins.

Nice take and Spot on. Dak is no better than Purdy or any other game manager type QBs. To pay him like a top 4 QB was a huge mistake. Would much rather build like San Fran or the Eagles have.

 

[xwalker]

But how many of those QB ate 15-20% of the teams cap or 40mil or more a year....

In the cap era, 2nd contract starting QBs take up about 18% of the cap +/- 3%.

On that list, only the years Brady played at a discount was it significantly less than 18%.

The Pat's paid Brady's sports performance company millions per year which is why he played at a discount.

 

[xwalker]

I didnt say they were on rookie contracts. where did you get that from ?

"The last 15 or 16 SBs were won mostly by QBs on cheap deals. I think only 1 or 2 not."

The Eagles paid Nick Foles 4OM over 2 years.

All of the other non-rookie contract QBs on the list were standard (expensive) 2nd contract players.

 

[TwentyOne]

"The last 15 or 16 SBs were won mostly by QBs on cheap deals. I think only 1 or 2 not."

The Eagles paid Nick Foles 4OM over 2 years.

All of the other non-rookie contract QBs on the list were standard (expensive) 2nd contract players.

No they werent.

For instance what you said about Foles is wrong:

- Foles won in the 2017 season the SB. His salary cap hit (which equaled his earnings) was $4,025,433
2018 (last year with the eagles) his cap hit (= earnings) was $12,000,000. Thats $16,025,433. In 2019 he played for the jaguars. IDK where you get your numbers from but they are wrong.
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That is a very cheap deal. Especially in the year the SB was won. And that is the whole point about the discussion. Is your franchise able to pay other players because of your deal. Or is your deal so high you cant afford any good players. And of course you have to take the year into account in which the SB was won and not look only at the whole runtime of the deal.

There was a very good (public) work about that topic around the time Prescott got his deal. Most of the QBs that won a SB were on very chea deals or at least way under the normal market value the player would have got.

 

[Creeper]

There will always be exceptions. But overall I agree with this and said when Dak was asking for a huge contract. QBs are going to price themselves out of some markets. The CAP makes it impractical to pay a QB 25% of the CAP allowance unless the QB is producing at a very high level. I am really curious to see what Dak asks for when he contract is up after 2024, or sooner if Jerry decides to extend him. Will Dak offer to take a pay cut because his performance has not equaled his contract? or will he try to make a new market for QBs? If he askes for even more money, I would absolutely let him go. I they can trade him then trade him. The Eagles got a 3rd and 1st for Wentz. I am pretty sure they can get a 1st for Dak.

Not only is Philly exploiting this trend, and some other teams, Dallas did it too with Dak!

Of course to go the cheap QB route, you need at least a capable QB on a rookie deal. I don't think Ben DiNucci would be successful in Philly even with that team around him. Minshew couldn't win with that team.

But overall, I like the philosophy. The problem in Dallas is even if they were paying Dak $10 million instead of $40, Jerry would use the money to overpay one or two of his other players. He will not use to to sign tier 1 free agents. He has made that very clear. I think this is why Dallas is always one step away from the next level.

 

[Creeper]

No they werent.

For instance what you said about Foles is wrong:

- Foles won in the 2017 season the SB. His salary cap hit (which equaled his earnings) was $4,025,433
2018 (last year with the eagles) his cap hit (= earnings) was $12,000,000. Thats $16,025,433. In 2019 he played for the jaguars. IDK where you get your numbers from but they are wrong.
source

That is a very cheap deal. Especially in the year the SB was won. And that is the whole point about the discussion. Is your franchise able to pay other players because of your deal. Or is your deal so high you cant afford any good players. And of course you have to take the year into account in which the SB was won and not look only at the whole runtime of the deal.

There was a very good (public) work about that topic around the time Prescott got his deal. Most of the QBs that won a SB were on very chea deals or at least way under the normal market value the player would have got.

Foles was due $25 million the following year so the Eagles got rid of him.

 

[Wangchung83]

dak sucks dak sucks dak still sucks. Sorry for the homers but the guy has never won a big game, even his wiki will tell you he set records in orange bowl, however, fails to state they lost the game. He continue to be great at individual stats but can’t win. Those are the facts, don’t like them, then suggest getting a new qb that understands how to win.