New... slash... old offense?

[DipChit]

Harper made plays when it mattered and the last memory of Glenn for me is watching him catch a pass fall down and fumble it out of the end zone for a safety.
This after an emotional goal-line stand by our defense. Some may argue that Glenn should be up for the horns with Romo after that loss.
I think when people start comparing players from different era's and scheme's it's ridiculous. It makes no sense and I go by what players did when the games mattered most....Harper was a stud in those games. One-trick pony...whatever.... he helped us get rings.

Yup. While Harper only averaged about 2 catches per regular season game as well as 2 catches per playoff game for us over his career here, the fact is some of those playoff game catches were huge.

It's not always so much how many numbers you put up.. it's when you put them up.

Our 2 guys now should both know that well since whether it was all on them or not they wewrent coming up big down the stretch.

 

[windward]

Good point.

Harper - Short career. Contributed to winning 2 SB's.

Glenn - long career. No SB wins.

I would take the former EVERY TIME.... quality over quantity.

I think you're taking the players performances a bit out of context.
Harper-played with Aikman in his prime in playoffs
Glenn-had Drew Bledsoe, Quincy Carter and Tony Romo.

Which is more likely, Harper having success in the 2003-06 Cowboys or Glenn on the 91-94 Cowboys?

That's what I thought.

 

[J-DOG]

I think you're taking the players performances a bit out of context.
Harper-played with Aikman in his prime in playoffs
Glenn-had Drew Bledsoe, Quincy Carter and Tony Romo.

Which is more likely, Harper having success in the 2003-06 Cowboys or Glenn on the 91-94 Cowboys?

That's what I thought.

That's why you shouldn't compare players from different era's....
...Still though, Glenn made a bonehead play at the worst possible time...Anyone remember Harper doing that in a playoff game?
I like Glenn...really I do, but let's stop downgrading players because they are not here anymore. Harper played his role and did it very well.

 

[2much2soon]

Harper made plays when it mattered and the last memory of Glenn for me is watching him catch a pass fall down and fumble it out of the end zone for a safety.
This after an emotional goal-line stand by our defense. Some may argue that Glenn should be up for the horns with Romo after that loss.
I think when people start comparing players from different era's and scheme's it's ridiculous. It makes no sense and I go by what players did when the games mattered most....Harper was a stud in those games. One-trick pony...whatever.... he helped us get rings.

Glenn only entered the league 5 years after Harper did. Kinda hard to say they were from different eras.
Harper was a great athlete who lucked out by playing with a couple of all-time greats in Aikman/Irvin. If he had landed nearly anywhere else at the start of his career he would of more than likely been done in a year or two. Like he was after leaving Dallas.
As a fan I appreciated Harper's contributions to the Cowboys but comparing him to Glenn is far-fetched.

 

[J-DOG]

Glenn only entered the league 5 years after Harper did. Kinda hard to say they were from different eras.
Harper was a great athlete who lucked out by playing with a couple of all-time greats in Aikman/Irvin. If he had landed nearly anywhere else at the start of his career he would of more than likely been done in a year or two. Like he was after leaving Dallas.
As a fan I appreciated Harper's contributions to the Cowboys but comparing him to Glenn is far-fetched.

I never did compare him to Glenn. I just said it was ridiculous but when I see people calling Harper a one-trick pony...I gotta disagree. The guy came up big at the right time...Glenn did not. That's all I am saying.

 

[Jay]

Except Harper was exceptional in the playoffs....I know Harper's career was short lived but he came up big in the playoffs. Always did.

Umm.. what?

10 games, 24 receptions, 655 yards, 4 touchdowns.

That's exceptional?

So 2.4 receptions, 65.5 yards, and 0.4 touchdowns per playoff game.

 

[J-DOG]

Umm.. what?

10 games, 24 receptions, 655 yards, 4 touchdowns.

That's exceptional?

So 2.4 receptions, 65.5 yards, and 0.4 touchdowns per playoff game.

You have a short memory.
Yeah maybe you remember a leaping catch where he caught the ball off the helmet of cb Eric Davis on a deep ball from Aikman....or there was this little 70yd slant to put the game away against the Niners to help lead us to our first Super Bowl win in the 90's. Let's see....he caught td's in both Super Bowls he played in....whoops he was knocked out of bounds in the 2nd Super Bowl against the Bills on the 1. Emmitt got that td. Don't believe me??? I'll wait patiently while you google that up....while you're at give me an avg per catch on those playoff stats.
Big plays......

 

[Jay]

Do you know what exceptional is?

Google that.

I'll be the last to deny he had big plays, but to say that he was exceptional is stretching it. Glenn is the much better receiver. You put Glenn opposite of Irvin, with Aikman, Smith and Novacek on that team and Glenn puts up big numbers too.

I love Harper, don't get me wrong, just pointing out that he wasn't "exceptional". Not even 3 catches a game in the playoffs?

 

[TEK2000]

I just hope we start running TO on more slants, hitches, and drags than we did before. TO's not the guy that will beat you on every play just running a fly route. Throw it short and let him run with it and mix in the occassional long route if they start jumping the short routes.

 

[mmohican29]

Comparing Terry Glenn and Alvin Harper really isn't fair to either player. Glenn is by far the more complete player. Harper's role in the Norv Turner/Zampese offense was simply to provide a consistent size/ deep speed threat on the outside which created space for Jay and Emmitt to catch ALOT of balls underneath zone coverage.

Glenn is way better yes, but noone should underestimate Harper's contribution to the Super Bowl teams. He made big play after big play in many, many ball games. He was the "Joker" card in the stacked deck of playmakers the Cowboys had on that team.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Glenn is close to being a number one reciever.

Harper is just a little better than Crayton.

When you have a Young Emmitt, Irvin, and Jay playing off you ...... its easy to look good.

Harper was real good with the long ball ..... thats it.

People also tend to forget that Harper had a reputation for dropping passes, it certainly followed him to Tampa where he failed miserably as the #1 Wideout. Glenn is head and shoulders above him! But, like you said, that is pretty much about it as far as parallel or better than the early nineties.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Bill Parcells runs a timing based offense too.

Parcells' 2-TE offense is a zone-oriented offense. The timing offense is NOT a zone-offense. It's a more legitimate, and difficult, offense to run.

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