New York Post: Make teams pay

[BouncingCheese]

Teams do get fed up with players antics.

For example Hollywood Henderson. What crime was he accused of?

He isn't even an exception either. It happens all the time that teams get fed up with players. Terrell Owens and Phildelphia anyone? Keyshawn Johnson and Tampa Bay?

Someone could assure me that Dallas was exempt from all league sanctions and every other team would be targeted and I still wouldn't like this idea.

I just don't think teams care enough, and I think that is why Goodell is making up this stupid rule; he is going to try and MAKE them care by hurting them as well as the player.

I am not a big fan of the idea myself; but to me this at least makes some semblance of sense. (though it still sounds silly to me)

 

[ZeroClub]

I get what you are saying and I agree; however I think in some way Goodell is trying to get the teams to muscle up on the players... maybe in some way goodell thinks that if the teams will be punished as well as the players, then the teams will then tell the players ad nauseum to not get into trouble.

The NFL teams' owners and for that matter fans don't care as much about a player acting up, it really is all about the bottom line. I think Goodell is smart enough to this degree to understand this and as such has made it so that the teams will be punished for player wrongdoings. Maybe then the teams will start to give a damn if they understand they will be punished accordingly as well. I know that sounds wierd but to me I think that is actually sound motivator to me.

[FONT=&quot]There is merit in holding the franchises responsible, but the NFL isn't likely to punish its franchises directly.

NFL owners aren't the kind of guys who are willing to punish themselves. That would go against who they are as people. The owners are of the privileged elite upper crust. They aren't interested in being held accountable on a regular basis for their decisions. They aren't o.k. with their hired help (a.k.a. commissioner) scolding, penalizing, or fining them. He's the hired help. The owners are o.k. with players being punished.

So labor will be subject to rules and management will escape accountability. That's how it works. [/FONT]

 

[Hostile]

Owens and Johnson didn't commit various felonies.

Antics aren't on the same level as what Goodell is doing....otherwise Owens should have been suspended for spitting on Hall during the Atlanta game.

Wait, wait, wait. You're now jumping around on the topic.

Bouncing Cheese was talking about making teams get pro active and I said some already are and I cited examples.

I'm the guy 100% behind what Goodell is doing and saying that the idea put forth in the NY Post, which goes way beyond what he is doing, is a horrible idea.

 

[Vintage]

Wait, wait, wait. You're now jumping around on the topic.

Bouncing Cheese was talking about making teams get pro active and I said some already are and I cited examples.

I'm the guy 100% behind what Goodell is doing and saying that the idea put forth in the NY Post, which goes way beyond what he is doing, is a horrible idea.

I misread what you wrote....I thought you were giving examples......nevermind.

My bad. Ignore that post.

 

[Hostile]

I just don't think teams care enough, and I think that is why Goodell is making up this stupid rule; he is going to try and MAKE them care by hurting them as well as the player.

I am not a big fan of the idea myself; but to me this at least makes some semblance of sense. (though it still sounds silly to me)

Goodell isn't making up a stupid rule. A writer for the NY Post (not the best newspaper in the world BTW) is writing a piece about his idea to take what Goodell is doing, amplify it to create a Salem Witch Hunt.

You've got the cart before the horse BC. You're reading an opinion article by a writer and assuming Goodell is on board and is already primed and ready to punish these teams.

It doesn't make a lick of sense to me, but if you understand it, at least get your timeline and facts straight before you claim you do and that it does.

 

[Hostile]

I misread what you wrote....I thought you were giving examples......nevermind.

My bad. Ignore that post.

I often babble, but for a change I was lucid. Must mean I am out of Nyquil.

 

[Vintage]

Goodell isn't making up a stupid rule. A writer for the NY Post (not the best newspaper in the world BTW) is writing a piece about his idea to take what Goodell is doing, amplify it to create a Salem Witch Hunt.

You've got the cart before the horse BC. You're reading an opinion article by a writer and assuming Goodell is on board and is already primed and ready to punish these teams.

It doesn't make a lick of sense to me, but if you understand it, at least get your timeline and facts straight before you claim you do and that it does.

Hey.... The NY Post makes fine, quality toilet paper.

Actually, its not really a witch hunt. We aren't looking for something that isn't there. Its there; players screwing up left and right. Its about placing blame on both the franchises and the players...

 

[Hostile]

Hey.... The NY Post makes fine, quality toilet paper.

Actually, its not really a witch hunt. We aren't looking for something that isn't there. Its there; players screwing up left and right. Its about placing blame on both the franchises and the players...

By calling it a Witch Hunt though I'm saying that it is being driven by hysteria. The NY Post would love it if this happened. Why? Because the more sensational the story, the better they like it.

That alone is reason enough for me to hate it.

I am looking at this as someone who was thoroughly embarrassed by the actions of several of our players in the mid 90's. If the Cowboys had released any of the players who embarrassed the franchise I would have been cool with it. If the NFL had sanctioned the Cowboys for what those individual players did I would have hated it.

I can't be 2 faced and say I'd love it if it were the Commanders, Eagles, Giants, Bengals, or the Hollywood Hookers. These things are cyclical. It would come back to haunt us at some point when another round of players skirting the law come to town.

 

[bbgun]

This proposal is ridiculously punitive. The Dallas Cowboys are no more culpable for employees' after-hours behavior than IBM is. These are grown men, not teenagers violating curfew. And if you think the misbehaving/gang-banging/thuggish turds care if their team is docked a draft pick or two, you're delusional. There is no deterrent to "having a good time."

 

[Hostile]

This proposal is ridiculously punitive. The Dallas Cowboys are no more culpable for employees' after-hours behavior than IBM is. These are grown men, not teenagers violating curfew. And if you think the misbehaving/gang-banging/thuggish turds care if their team is docked a draft pick or two, you're delusional. There is no deterrent to "having a good time."

Exactly.

Anyone who is in favor of this idea please address that for me. How does this change anything for the way the "turd" player is already going to act? Is it making him think harder about his actions? Based on what empirical evidence?

His actions already indicate he doesn't care. Do you really think putting more pressure on his team is going to make him care any more about how he acts?

That to me is the issue, curbing this behavior. This idea does nothing to curb the behavior at all. All it does is blame and sanction the organizations who already detest the behavior.

 

[Vintage]

Exactly.

Anyone who is in favor of this idea please address that for me. How does this change anything for the way the "turd" player is already going to act? Is it making him think harder about his actions? Based on what empirical evidence?

His actions already indicate he doesn't care. Do you really think putting more pressure on his team is going to make him care any more about how he acts?

That to me is the issue, curbing this behavior. This idea does nothing to curb the behavior at all. All it does is blame and sanction the organizations who already detest the behavior.

It wont change how the "turd" player is going to act.

But it will change his employment status. Instead of being a turd in the NFL; he'll be a turd at the local McDonalds.

 

[Hostile]

It wont change how the "turd" player is going to act.

But it will change his employment status. Instead of being a turd in the NFL; he'll be a turd at the local McDonalds.

I don't see how you can even make that connection.

Is Pacman working at Mickey D's? Tank? I know he's probably eating there after his reported prison diet. I think that has as much to do with his release as the DUI incidently. Is Chris Henry?

I get what you are saying, but Goodell's policy is already pushing these guys to either clean up their acts or go work in the real world. How is punishing the Bears, Bengals, or Titans going to solve that any more than what he is already doing is supposed to?

Not one of you has an answer to that question.

 

[Vintage]

I don't see how you can even make that connection.

Is Pacman working at Mickey D's? Tank? I know he's probably eating there after his reported prison diet. I think that has as much to do with his release as the DUI incidently. Is Chris Henry?

I get what you are saying, but Goodell's policy is already pushing these guys to either clean up their acts or go work in the real world. How is punishing the Bears, Bengals, or Titans going to solve that any more than what he is already doing is supposed to?

Not one of you has an answer to that question.

I said it would speed up the process earlier in the thread. Plus, with someone like a Chris Henry, they'd get kicked out of the league sooner....and teams won't be wanting to sign him....

 

[aikemirv]

I said it would speed up the process earlier in the thread. Plus, with someone like a Chris Henry, they'd get kicked out of the league sooner....and teams won't be wanting to sign him....

Just put a lifetime ban on them if you want them out. Why give the team a choice?

 

[Hostile]

I said it would speed up the process earlier in the thread. Plus, with someone like a Chris Henry, they'd get kicked out of the league sooner....and teams won't be wanting to sign him....

It is already doing that without this added hysteria.

Tank Johnson.

 

[Hostile]

Just put a lifetime ban on them if you want them out. Why give the team a choice?

Another good question that this NY Post idea doesn't address.

 

[Vintage]

It is already doing that without this added hysteria.

Tank Johnson.

PacMan is still a Titan; Henry still a Bengal.

 

[Zaxor]

This proposal is ridiculously punitive. The Dallas Cowboys are no more culpable for employees' after-hours behavior than IBM is. These are grown men, not teenagers violating curfew. And if you think the misbehaving/gang-banging/thuggish turds care if their team is docked a draft pick or two, you're delusional. There is no deterrent to "having a good time."

So I am in the Army and decide to smoke weed after duty hours...who do you think is responsible for me....


Yeah, yeah I know you're a soldier 24/7 but the same could be said for being a Dallas Cowboy, Cincinati Bengal, Policeman, Politician... etc... some jobs/occupations means you are that Occupation 24/7 and certain standards are expected or it massively negatively impacts that occupation...such as a dirty cop, bought politician...I do believe you will find that where ever the precinct was for that cop there will be mass pressure put upon them from higher up to clean up and keep clean...probably counciling sessions and ect. will be implemented... Why?... because... of one bad cop who might have been off duty at the time but rest assured that the rest of the precinct is made to pay a price...is it fair... No but like I said certain occupations are held to a higher standard

 

[Hostile]

PacMan is still a Titan; Henry still a Bengal.

The new conduct policies just took effect.

Give them time before re-writing everything.

 

[Angus]

I don't see how you can even make that connection.

Is Pacman working at Mickey D's? Tank? I know he's probably eating there after his reported prison diet. I think that has as much to do with his release as the DUI incidently. Is Chris Henry?

I get what you are saying, but Goodell's policy is already pushing these guys to either clean up their acts or go work in the real world. How is punishing the Bears, Bengals, or Titans going to solve that any more than what he is already doing is supposed to?

Not one of you has an answer to that question.

I usually agree with Hostile but not this time.

The answer, I think, is that punishing the team for the actions of their players is the same as suing the employer for the actions of their employees that they are responsible for. And like other employers, teams will rid themselves of employees that are likely to cause them to go bankrupt.

In the NFL a sad and losing season is bankruptcy.

If the team avoids hiring or keeping players that can put them into bankruptcy because of potential loss of picks, salary cap hits, etc. assessed by the commissioner, the NFL doesn't have to worry with the thugs. They are someone else's problem, not the NFL's.

Under such pressure, teams would learn that drafting, and especially keeping, thugs is a losing proposition, and the kids would learn that athletic ability will not get them a free pass in the NFL.