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Not a fan of the top of the draft. A 3-4 DE just doesn't have that much value. Not with Spears, Hatcher and Bowen already on the roster.

Sherrod Martin is a FS if Dallas drafts him and that actually works.

I like some of the later picks quite a lot though.
Bruce Johnson and Phillip Hunt really appeal to me as depth guys who could be long term backups and have roles on the team.

I would take a ton of other QBs over JPW. I'd just prefer a better athlete at the position or else we have to scrap a lot of the play calls we use for Romo.
 

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jterrell;2711485 said:
Not a fan of the top of the draft. A 3-4 DE just doesn't have that much value. Not with Spears, Hatcher and Bowen already on the roster.

Sherrod Martin is a FS if Dallas drafts him and that actually works.

I like some of the later picks quite a lot though.
Bruce Johnson and Phillip Hunt really appeal to me as depth guys who could be long term backups and have roles on the team.

I would take a ton of other QBs over JPW. I'd just prefer a better athlete at the position or else we have to scrap a lot of the play calls we use for Romo.

Preach it brotha!
 

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Best Player available, does this guy really meet that standard, he is not on my radar at 51 but I have a feeling that might not be our picking number this year. Someone made the comment that a Dante Hall type player would really add value to our game. I am in agreement with that statement and would like to see another Skylar Green type pick but with better talent. Lets not get emotional to any player at 51 and wait to see who falls, just be ready and researched so it is not a complete surprise. I like the Chung fellow but would take a better player if he is available and look to next year to help with a certain position rather than take an average player and make him work. Seems like this same thing happened last year with Antoine Cason vs our second pick in the draft and all that worry was for naught when we ended up with Mike Jenkins whom we thought we had no chance of nabbing. I was a Mendenhall guy over Felix last year, and was a Jenkins guy with our first pick not our second. I felt like the media pushed my agenda and it was not even close to the real world draft, this year will be the same, media wise is not real world draft efficient. We have to take someone's opinion whom we do not know as we cannot possibly watch enough to qualify as an expert at this draft, that leaves us trusting the media, this is wrong as they are just passing on others agenda's as last year proved. BPA with no emotional ties makes us a better team and that maybe gets you Peyton Manning vs Ryan Leaf.


SLATEmosphere;2711379 said:
Pretty sure S,ILB,corner and O-line are more of a priority than D-line..so unless EVERYONE is gone by 51 then ya I guess GIlbert is fine..but Jerry isn't sitting still at 51..he's probably moving up and it's not for a DE, I can promise you that.
 

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dbair1967;2711370 said:
The only positions I'd rule out with first day picks are QB, RB and TE. Everything else is fair game IMO.

I would not rule out any position with that first pick. Strange things have happened in the draft and you never know who is going to fall. I know the odds are slim and none (like almost nil) but if the likes of Stafford, Sanchez or wells would drop it would be hard not to pull the trigger.

TE maybe the only position you can rule out. I don't think even if Pettigrew was on the board at 51 it would interest the Cowboys but I could be wrong.
 

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HomeOfLegends;2711780 said:
I would not rule out any position with that first pick. Strange things have happened in the draft and you never know who is going to fall. I know the odds are slim and none (like almost nil) but if the likes of Stafford, Sanchez or wells would drop it would be hard not to pull the trigger.

TE maybe the only position you can rule out. I don't think even if Pettigrew was on the board at 51 it would interest the Cowboys but I could be wrong.

If they hadnt of traded for Kitna, QB would be more of a need. As it is now I wont be surprised if we dont draft one at all, let alone early.

There's no way they are drafting a RB with an early pick, not with a depth chart of Barber, Jones and Choice. Now they might draft a FB late to compete with D Anderson, but not a RB
 

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dbair1967;2711788 said:
If they hadnt of traded for Kitna, QB would be more of a need. As it is now I wont be surprised if we dont draft one at all, let alone early.

There's no way they are drafting a RB with an early pick, not with a depth chart of Barber, Jones and Choice. Now they might draft a FB late to compete with D Anderson, but not a RB

There is no need but the ammo Jerry would provide himself with if Wells or Moreno fell would be priceless. I doubt the draft would end before Jerry had a stockpile of 2010 draft choices or even hold onto the player during camp because there is almost always a injury in the league that makes a team panic and over pay.

Like I said before, scenario is VERY unlikely but you have to keep your mind open to all possibilities.
 

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Macnalty;2711758 said:
Best Player available, does this guy really meet that standard, he is not on my radar at 51 but I have a feeling that might not be our picking number this year. Someone made the comment that a Dante Hall type player would really add value to our game. I am in agreement with that statement and would like to see another Skylar Green type pick but with better talent. Lets not get emotional to any player at 51 and wait to see who falls, just be ready and researched so it is not a complete surprise. I like the Chung fellow but would take a better player if he is available and look to next year to help with a certain position rather than take an average player and make him work. Seems like this same thing happened last year with Antoine Cason vs our second pick in the draft and all that worry was for naught when we ended up with Mike Jenkins whom we thought we had no chance of nabbing. I was a Mendenhall guy over Felix last year, and was a Jenkins guy with our first pick not our second. I felt like the media pushed my agenda and it was not even close to the real world draft, this year will be the same, media wise is not real world draft efficient. We have to take someone's opinion whom we do not know as we cannot possibly watch enough to qualify as an expert at this draft, that leaves us trusting the media, this is wrong as they are just passing on others agenda's as last year proved. BPA with no emotional ties makes us a better team and that maybe gets you Peyton Manning vs Ryan Leaf.

I think if Gilbert is there at 51 he will be the BPA unless someone drops which I don't see. I thought if Mendenhall was there we should grab him but if not we should of got CJ. I was Cason all the way and I am upset that they traded up for Jenkins and it pisses me off even more when he doesn't even attempt to tackle Ward.
 

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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree, too. It's essentially a mathematical certainty that there's going to be some top flight talent available at either OL, LB, or DB at 51. Gilbert's a good player and all, but I see someone drafted at those positions making a greater impact in the coming years.

And also, if somehow Robiskie falls to 51, I would take him over Gilbert, all day, any day. An instant #2 WR versus a #3 DE. It's a no-brainer.
 

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you guys remember Dave Wannstedt and his Dline rotation?

we draft Jarron, get a similar player to Ratliff to back him up, and we have a sick rotation

plus insurance for the case that Spears leaves in free agency
 

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Common Sense;2712205 said:
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree, too. It's essentially a mathematical certainty that there's going to be some top flight talent available at either OL, LB, or DB at 51. Gilbert's a good player and all, but I see someone drafted at those positions making a greater impact in the coming years.

And also, if somehow Robiskie falls to 51, I would take him over Gilbert, all day, any day. An instant #2 WR versus a #3 DE. It's a no-brainer.

Want to tells me what top flight talent at those position you think will be there and why they would automatically go over Gilbert. I'm not saying there isn't an option there however, considering what we have at every position the same knock for us not picking Gilbert could be said for anyone of the positions you named. So what do we just trade down or not draft anyone?
 

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I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.
 

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I think Martin is expected to cover the safety position.

I agree about the OL. I believe you take an OL in every draft.

But a nice effort. I wouldn't cry about this.

My only other gripe is a small one. Too many small-school guys. I like Parcells' philosohpy on this...Players from major conferences have a higher success rate than those from smaller schools. That doesn't mean small-school guys should be ignored.....We should just avoid trying to be too cute.

Guess that's why BP wanted Spears ahead of Ware. :rolleyes: Kidding
 

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RS12;2712257 said:
I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
 

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DaBoys4Life;2712242 said:
Want to tells me what top flight talent at those position you think will be there and why they would automatically go over Gilbert. I'm not saying there isn't an option there however, considering what we have at every position the same knock for us not picking Gilbert could be said for anyone of the positions you named. So what do we just trade down or not draft anyone?

Eh, if the value isn't there, sure. Part of my logic is that there's going to be a first-round run on two or three positions -- offensive tackle, and either defensive end or wide receiver. Maybe both. But that's going to push down some good value at guard, defensive back, and linebacker. On that note, Gilbert might not even be there at 51 (the draft's still a month away... this stuff is way too early to even talk about credibly), but let's go ahead and assume he is.

I think it's highly likely that Levitre, Robinson, or Urbik is on the board at 51. I personally think that tackle is a bigger priority for the Boys (Flozell is one of the oldest starting tackles in the league... it's time for a contingency plan), but the value probably won't be there. At least seven OTs will have gone off the board by then, if not more. There may be pretty good value at center, too, but I don't want to start that discussion. It'll get ugly quick.

As far as inside linebacker, Maualuga goes in the first round and so does Laurinaitis, in all likelihood. But I'm not sure that many teams are going to be looking ILB in the first half of the second. If that's the case, there should be some decent guys on the board, but you'll probably get better value in round three. Everybody knows the hot names here, so let's move on...

At DB... Delmas is gone by now. Period. So are the top five corner prospects. But there are some pretty interesting names that should be left, and we're borderline dangerously thin in the secondary. Just admit it. If Newman goes down again, we're one injury away from a nickel package crisis. You can't go 16 games or more praying that two people don't get banged up in the secondary. Odds are it's pretty much going to happen. That said, the argument here is whether or not the true value lies in the second or third round.

I think we seriously consider drafting another receiver also. Jerry wanted one in the second last year. Miles Austin hasn't changed anything since then. People were quietly saying the same things about him back then, and now we're minus TO. Yeah, yeah, Roy Williams, I know. Whatever. Like I said, if Brian Robiskie's still on the board at 51, I think he represents a better value and has the chance to make a bigger impact on the team than a backup DE. Although, I'll admit, I think he probably goes early second, along with Kenny Britt and Heyward-Bey (Not a first rounder, despite what ESPN says. And if someone does take him that high, it's a reach.). Of course, Jarron Gilbert might be just as likely to be gone by then too, so... it's all "what ifs" at this point.
 

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RS12;2712257 said:
I think the Giants taught the NFL two years ago that there no such thing as having too much talent on the D Line. Aslo alot of talent on the D Line covers up deficiencies behind them.

You want pass rushers, not necessarily DL. For us, that (especially) includes linebackers.
 

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Common Sense;2712317 said:
Eh, if the value isn't there, sure. Part of my logic is that there's going to be a first-round run on two or three positions -- offensive tackle, and either defensive end or wide receiver. Maybe both. But that's going to push down some good value at guard, defensive back, and linebacker. On that note, Gilbert might not even be there at 51 (the draft's still a month away... this stuff is way too early to even talk about credibly), but let's go ahead and assume he is.

I think it's highly likely that Levitre, Robinson, or Urbik is on the board at 51. I personally think that tackle is a bigger priority for the Boys (Flozell is one of the oldest starting tackles in the league... it's time for a contingency plan), but the value probably won't be there. At least seven OTs will have gone off the board by then, if not more. There may be pretty good value at center, too, but I don't want to start that discussion. It'll get ugly quick.

As far as inside linebacker, Maualuga goes in the first round and so does Laurinaitis, in all likelihood. But I'm not sure that many teams are going to be looking ILB in the first half of the second. If that's the case, there should be some decent guys on the board, but you'll probably get better value in round three. Everybody knows the hot names here, so let's move on...

At DB... Delmas is gone by now. Period. So are the top five corner prospects. But there are some pretty interesting names that should be left, and we're borderline dangerously thin in the secondary. Just admit it. If Newman goes down again, we're one injury away from a nickel package crisis. You can't go 16 games or more praying that two people don't get banged up in the secondary. Odds are it's pretty much going to happen. That said, the argument here is whether or not the true value lies in the second or third round.

I think we seriously consider drafting another receiver also. Jerry wanted one in the second last year. Miles Austin hasn't changed anything since then. People were quietly saying the same things about him back then, and now we're minus TO. Yeah, yeah, Roy Williams, I know. Whatever. Like I said, if Brian Robiskie's still on the board at 51, I think he represents a better value and has the chance to make a bigger impact on the team than a backup DE. Although, I'll admit, I think he probably goes early second, along with Kenny Britt and Heyward-Bey (Not a first rounder, despite what ESPN says. And if someone does take him that high, it's a reach.). Of course, Jarron Gilbert might be just as likely to be gone by then too, so... it's all "what ifs" at this point.

So no one is going to be there with higher value than Gilbert and he might not be there...so how is he a bad pick? Also I don't like the pick off a WR even with the lose of TO. I addressed all those position you said with later picks in the draft I tried to get the best value at each pick.
 

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Common Sense;2712324 said:
You want pass rushers, not necessarily DL. For us, that (especially) includes linebackers.

This is true however, considering this is a 3-4 defense I think gilbert could be an above average pass rusher better than spears and bowen and hatcher. He can also dominate against the run.
 

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Yeah, it's a possibility. And I just meant value to the Cowboys specifically. He might have more value to another team, or they might panic and reach. A lot of DEs are going to go off the board early, and somebody's going to want to make sure they lock their guy up.

Oh, I also looked back and noticed I said "At least seven OTs will be off the board by then." That's probably an exaggeration, but, again, possible. At least five or six will be gone.
 

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Common Sense;2712350 said:
Yeah, it's a possibility. And I just meant value to the Cowboys specifically. He might have more value to another team, or they might panic and reach. A lot of DEs are going to go off the board early, and somebody's going to want to make sure they lock their guy up.

Oh, I also looked back and noticed I said "At least seven OTs will be off the board by then." That's probably an exaggeration, but, again, possible. At least five or six will be gone.

I don't think that's an exaggeration I think 4 will go in the top 10. There's a lot of good tackles this year.
 
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