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superpunk said:
Hmmmm, would I rather face Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Drew Bledsoe, or Quincy Carter, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper, and Donovan McNabb? It's about more than being able to run around like a chicken with your head cut off - that BS is for college, where you can put your best athlete at QB, and allow him to take over the game. At the NFL level, it's about making good decisions, getting the ball to your REAL playmakers, and getting it there on time, because in the NFL, all the guys on the other team are just as fast as you. I'm not saying there aren't advantages to having a running QB, but up to this point, they haven't exactly been as successful as pocket QBs. So, I'm gonna go with what my eyes tell me. You can keep drooling over every QB who runs a sub 4.7, and continue to have googly eyes for QC.

Pocket qb's usually have much better offensive lines and most NFL qb's are pocket qb's, that's why there's few that have won superbowls, but it's beginning to change. Five years from now will be quite different. Half of the qb's will be good runners who can pass, the evolution of the game will take care of that(see Demarcus Ware,Shawne Merriman and Dwight Freeney). People's prehistoric ideas about who can and cannot play qb in the NFL will rapidly fall by the wayside, I just hope that Bill and Jerry don't wait too long to get their minds right. Joe Gibbs and Andy Reid are already way ahead of us. Vince Young has already given those old stereotypes a kick in the groin by outplaying two heisman trophy winners and putting a team on his back.Brian Billick has Kyle Boller who is young enough to pan out and don't forget that Jay Cutler is cut in the same mode. The movement to mobile qb's is well underway, because progress don't stop for nobody, even dinosaurs.
 

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kartr said:
Pocket qb's usually have much better offensive lines and most NFL qb's are pocket qb's, that's why there's few that have won superbowls, but it's beginning to change. Five years from now will be quite different. Half of the qb's will be good runners who can pass, the evolution of the game will take care of that(see Demarcus Ware,Shawne Merriman and Dwight Freeney). People's prehistoric ideas about who can and cannot play qb in the NFL will rapidly fall by the wayside, I just hope that Bill and Jerry don't wait too long to get their minds right. Joe Gibbs and Andy Reid are already way ahead of us. Vince Young has already given those old stereotypes a kick in the groin by outplaying two heisman trophy winners and putting a team on his back.Brian Billick has Kyle Boller who is young enough to pan out and don't forget that Jay Cutler is cut in the same mode. The movement to mobile qb's is well underway, because progress don't stop for nobody, even dinosaurs.

There have been running QB's in the league before you were born, you act as if running QB just emerged in the NFL they have been around along time.
 

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BigDFan5 said:
The fact is Carter sucks, only you are afraid to admit it. You can credit Carter with that 10 win season all you want. Everyone with a brain will credit our #1 defense and weak schedule because thats where the credit belongs.


Our passing offense was in the lower half of the league in every category except INTs Quincy was ranked well at giving up INTs and his 18 ppg surely was not responsible for 10 wins

Quincy's career was in its infancy with just 31 starts. Carter has started 34 total games and has thrown 34 tds vs just 37 picks and helped two teams to get to the playoffs and his record is 18-16. Even Aikman was just 13-26 in his first 39 starts. It takes time for qb's to put it together in their first 3-4 years in the league. David Carr, who everybody thinks is so great has thrown 44 tds in 60+ starts and has won less than 15 games in 4 years. Don't start about the offensive line, Dominic Davis seems to be doing okay behind that same line. So when put it in perspective, that Carter came to a crummy Dallas team and had a first time head coach, a first time offensive coordinator, Riley, he did much better than Harrington and Carr did in his early years. Many other good qb's struggled in their formative years and went on to have great success. Jerry's antsyness precluded Carter from ever reaching the heights he could have achieved and has set us back 5 years at that position and realize too late that he was on the right track with Carter-type qb's,but now trails his opposition badly.
 

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kartr said:
Quincy's career was in its infancy with just 31 starts. Carter has started 34 total games and has thrown 34 tds vs just 37 picks and helped two teams to get to the playoffs and his record is 18-16. Even Aikman was just 13-26 in his first 39 starts. It takes time for qb's to put it together in their first 3-4 years in the league. David Carr, who everybody thinks is so great has thrown 44 tds in 60+ starts and has won less than 15 games in 4 years. Don't start about the offensive line, Dominic Davis seems to be doing okay behind that same line. So when put it in perspective, that Carter came to a crummy Dallas team and had a first time head coach, a first time offensive coordinator, Riley, he did much better than Harrington and Carr did in his early years. Many other good qb's struggled in their formative years and went on to have great success. Jerry's antsyness precluded Carter from ever reaching the heights he could have achieved and has set us back 5 years at that position and realize too late that he was on the right track with Carter-type qb's,but now trails his opposition badly.


Quicny is a DRUG ADDICT he sucks get over it he is gone and will never be back in the NFL. Find a new boyfriend
 

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notherbob said:
...but the NFCE will not be theirs for thr the plucking, they'll have their hands full and will not be kicking butt and taking names like it has been the prior four years.

This time it's not about the Eagles kicking butt ...it's about whether or not the Cowboys, Commanders and Giants will repeat sweeps, ownership, and domination in the NFCE.

I really wouldn't say that we're trying to "pluck" anything in the NFCE, we're just trying to play our "first-team" like everyone else in the league (and a
"TO-less year), and not rely on our 2nd & 3rd string QBs or rookies.
 

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kartr said:
Dwight Freeney was on ESPN stating that he thought that the Colts had the best line in the NFL cause Manning was the slowest human being he'd ever seen. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it would seem that D-linemen would much rather face slow on the draw pocket passers who can't read defenses rather than guys that make them chase him. I distinctly remember back in 2002 when Julius Peppers was chasing Carter around in the backfield and Carter outran him and threw the ball to a wide open Joey Galloway for an 80 yard touchdown. Pocket qb's are easy marks, mobile ones make you chase them down and look down right silly. Now you figure out which qb they'd rather face.

I remember Peppers sacking Quincy 3 tiems in that game.

Mobility is a great tool for a good QB. Mobility means nothing for a bad QB. A good QB uses his mobility as another tool to accomplish the goal of moving the team down the field and scoring. Quincy never developed his skills enough to a point where his mobility became a significant assett.

Bledsoe does some good things and he certainly could use better mobility to enhance his game. If he was more mobile he would be very dangerous. I am not talking about Vick type mobility, just better movement within the pocket. He is probably one of the slowest most lumbering QBs I have seen. I like his quote about how running QBs not winning the Superbowl or some such thing. That is true, but no one as slow has him has won it either. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are about the closest to Bledsoe's lumbering style and still were more mobile. Plus they counted on dominating defenses to win games. Dallas doesn't have a dominating defense, yet.
 
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