NFC least stats are less valuable

[RustyBourneHorse]

According to media and NFL experts playing and winning against NFC east opponents are not true indication of NFL production. Any stats produced against the worst conference should be cut by half minimum.

Sorry, but this is simply inaccurate. Quite substantially inaccurate. Firstly, the NFC East and NFC West were the only NFC divisions in which at least two teams made the playoffs in 2021. The Cowboys, of course, made the playoffs with a 12-5 record, and the Philadelphia Eagles made the playoffs with a 9-8 record. So, not only did the NFC feature two playoff teams, but both of the playoff teams had a winning record, as opposed to a team receiving only 8 wins which has happened. In the NFC North, the teams behind the Packers (13-4) were the Vikings (2nd) with an 8-9 record, Chicago Bears (3rd) with a 6-11 record, and the Lions (4th) with a 3-13-1 record. As for the NFC South, the teams behind the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (13-4) were the following: New Orleans Saints (2nd) with a 9-8 record, Atlanta Falcons (3rd) with a 7-10 record, and the Carolina Panthers (4th) with a 5-12 record. The reason that the Eagles made the playoffs over the Saints was because they defeated the New Orleans Saints in week 11 by a score of 40-29 at home. Therefore, due to tiebreakers, the Eagles earned the final Wild Card spot. So, even last year, the NFC East wasn't the Least. Also, since 2004, the NFC East has exemplified parity as no team since that year has repeated as division champs.

Now, let's fast forward to this season. Let's begin with the NFC East. Currently, the Eagles lead the division with a 4-0 record. The Cowboys and Giants are tied for second with a 3-1 record with the Cowboys ahead due to head to head. The Commanders are in last place in the NFC East with a 1-3 record. Therefore, three of the four teams are above .500 through 4 games. The vaunted NFC West currently has the Rams at 2-1 in first place (scheduled to play tonight), the Cardinals at 2-2 in second, the Seahawks tied for second at 2-2, and the 49ers in last place with a 1-2 record (scheduled to play tonight). Therefore, in the vaunted NFC West, there is only one team above .500 through 4 games. In the NFC North, the Vikings and Packers are tied for 1st with a 3-1 record with the Vikings ahead on head to head. The Bears are in second with a 2-2 record, and the Lions round out that division with a 1-3 record. Only two teams in that division have a record above .500 through 4 games. Finally, we must examine the NFC South. The Buccaneers and Falcons are tied for first with a 2-2 record. The Panthers and Saints are tied for the bottom spot at 1-3.

Therefore, just in the NFC (the AFC is irrelevant as the AFC has no real impact on our playoff picture other than them beating NFC teams helps us), the numbers refute your statement. Bill Parcells once stated that you are what your record says that you are. If that is true, then the NFC East is currently the best division in the NFC. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Additionally, the Cowboys defeated the Bengals (AFC Champion Bengals) in week 2 while the Eagles have defeated Detroit, Minnesota, and Jacksonville outside the division. The Giants outside of the division have defeated the Titans (1st seed last year), Carolina, and Chicago. Washington defeated Jacksonville. Therefore, most of the victories from the NFC East are outside of the division as the Cowboys have won once, the Eagles and Giants have won 3, and Washington has defeated 2 teams outside the division. That's 6 wins out of 11 total victories. Thus, only 5 wins were interdivision. Therefore, your argument about the division wins is invalid.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

In case you're all wondering, I've another interesting fact. Starting with 2005, here is how many times each NFC East team has won the division by year:

NY Giants: 2005, 2008, 2011 (3)
Philadelphia Eagles: 2006, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2017, 2019 (6)
Dallas Cowboys: 2007, 2009, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2021 (6)
Washington Commanders/Football Team/Commanders: 2012, 2020 (2)

The Cowboys and Eagles have tied between 2005 - 2021 for divisional championships with the teams alternating titles between 2013-2019.

 

[Starforever]

You mean the wins they got playing inner division opponents? Trash wins vs Trash teams

Funny, about the same as Philly.

 

[mardwin]

According to media and NFL experts playing and winning against NFC east opponents are not true indication of NFL production. Any stats produced against the worst conference should be cut by half minimum.

The great Tom Brady played 16 years in New England feasting on the AFC East whose greatest QB competition was "Mark Sanchez".

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

The great Tom Brady played 16 years in New England feasting on the AFC East whose greatest QB competition was "Mark Sanchez".

His record outside AFC east is above .500
Are you really trying to argue against 7 SBs.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Sorry, but this is simply inaccurate. Quite substantially inaccurate. Firstly, the NFC East and NFC West were the only NFC divisions in which at least two teams made the playoffs in 2021. The Cowboys, of course, made the playoffs with a 12-5 record, and the Philadelphia Eagles made the playoffs with a 9-8 record. So, not only did the NFC feature two playoff teams, but both of the playoff teams had a winning record, as opposed to a team receiving only 8 wins which has happened. In the NFC North, the teams behind the Packers (13-4) were the Vikings (2nd) with an 8-9 record, Chicago Bears (3rd) with a 6-11 record, and the Lions (4th) with a 3-13-1 record. As for the NFC South, the teams behind the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (13-4) were the following: New Orleans Saints (2nd) with a 9-8 record, Atlanta Falcons (3rd) with a 7-10 record, and the Carolina Panthers (4th) with a 5-12 record. The reason that the Eagles made the playoffs over the Saints was because they defeated the New Orleans Saints in week 11 by a score of 40-29 at home. Therefore, due to tiebreakers, the Eagles earned the final Wild Card spot. So, even last year, the NFC East wasn't the Least. Also, since 2004, the NFC East has exemplified parity as no team since that year has repeated as division champs.

Now, let's fast forward to this season. Let's begin with the NFC East. Currently, the Eagles lead the division with a 4-0 record. The Cowboys and Giants are tied for second with a 3-1 record with the Cowboys ahead due to head to head. The Commanders are in last place in the NFC East with a 1-3 record. Therefore, three of the four teams are above .500 through 4 games. The vaunted NFC West currently has the Rams at 2-1 in first place (scheduled to play tonight), the Cardinals at 2-2 in second, the Seahawks tied for second at 2-2, and the 49ers in last place with a 1-2 record (scheduled to play tonight). Therefore, in the vaunted NFC West, there is only one team above .500 through 4 games. In the NFC North, the Vikings and Packers are tied for 1st with a 3-1 record with the Vikings ahead on head to head. The Bears are in second with a 2-2 record, and the Lions round out that division with a 1-3 record. Only two teams in that division have a record above .500 through 4 games. Finally, we must examine the NFC South. The Buccaneers and Falcons are tied for first with a 2-2 record. The Panthers and Saints are tied for the bottom spot at 1-3.

Therefore, just in the NFC (the AFC is irrelevant as the AFC has no real impact on our playoff picture other than them beating NFC teams helps us), the numbers refute your statement. Bill Parcells once stated that you are what your record says that you are. If that is true, then the NFC East is currently the best division in the NFC. Therefore, your argument is invalid.

Additionally, the Cowboys defeated the Bengals (AFC Champion Bengals) in week 2 while the Eagles have defeated Detroit, Minnesota, and Jacksonville outside the division. The Giants outside of the division have defeated the Titans (1st seed last year), Carolina, and Chicago. Washington defeated Jacksonville. Therefore, most of the victories from the NFC East are outside of the division as the Cowboys have won once, the Eagles and Giants have won 3, and Washington has defeated 2 teams outside the division. That's 6 wins out of 11 total victories. Thus, only 5 wins were interdivision. Therefore, your argument about the division wins is invalid.

Philly made it due to extra spot added on and would have been left out unlike NFC west teams that made it. It’s pathetic how much brain washing Jerry has done to delusional fans.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Philly made it due to extra spot added on and would have been left out unlike NFC west teams that made it. It’s pathetic how much brain washing Jerry has done to delusional fans.

That doesn't change the fact that we were still the second best division last year in the NFC. And you clearly didn't read the part where the NFC East has 6 wins against non-divisional opponents vs 5 within the division so far this year. Therefore, the notion you stated of "playing and winning against NFC East opponents are not true indication of NFL Production. Any stats produced against the worst conference should be cut by half minimum." That's not accurate. Firstly, across the league, the AFC South is notoriously terrible. Everyone knows that division is awful. THAT is a division to which the argument in bold would apply more accurately. Look at last year. The Texans last year and this year so far have been practically an extra bye week. The Jaguars last year were that way too (though, they're off to a good start this season). The Colts had Wentz, whom we know all too well. The Titans are only good when Derrick Henry is gashing the defence. Shut down Derrick Henry, and, as we've seen this year, they're hapless. So, the AFC South is the worst. That's a given. Oh, and through 4 this year so far, nobody in that division or the AFC North have a winning record. Since that's a metric frequently used to measure "division strength " when trying to bash the NFC East, that's rather terrible. Oh, and 3 of the 4 teams in our division have winning records. Not even the NFC West has that. So, again, your argument is invalid. That's not a "Jerry delusion". That's an indisputable fact that, so far, the NFC East has been the best division through 4 games, and, as stated, the fact that 6 of the 11 wins earned by NFC East teams have been outside the division. In other words, the math shows that, through 4 games this year, the NFC East has been the best. And last year, it is quite clear that we were the second best division in the NFC.

Let's assume that the last playoff spot was removed and we revert to the 2019 playoff requirements in which there was no 7th playoff team. Your argument that "Philly made it due to the extra spot" is irrelevant when you're trying to make the argument that the East is the worst. They still finished ahead of the Saints by virtue of defeating them (last I checked, the Saints aren't an East team) to be the 7th best team in the NFC. 7th is better than 16. We had two that finished 7th of better. Therefore, you're still wrong. Again, it's not a delusion. It's math and logic.

 

[mardwin]

His record outside AFC east is above .500
Are you really trying to argue against 7 SBs.

You obviously ignore the fact that the patriots' schedule was easier than anyone else's because they had 3 bad teams in their division that were constantly drafting in the top 10. It is easier to win at home in the playoffs than on the road. However, you analyzed my comment the same way you analyzed Dak's numbers with prejudice.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

You obviously ignore the fact that the patriots' schedule was easier than anyone else's because they had 3 bad teams in their division that were constantly drafting in the top 10. It is easier to win at home in the playoffs than on the road. However, you analyzed my comment the same way you analyzed Dak's numbers with prejudice.

And likely from the lens of what ESPN stated rather than actually researching the statistics and the facts, and using the lens of logic to see that the NFC East, for one, is not the worst, and the fact that, statistically, the Patriots benefitted from atrocious intra divisional opponents. Obviously, if you win more than the rest of your division, you win the division. Statistically, the AFC East teams, excluding the Patriots when Brady was on the Patriots, we're typically sub-.500. The argument about "outside the division" is irrelevant on it's face because they could've won the division at 9-7 most of those years with how much worse the rest of the division was over that period. Additionally, logically, those teams lost more interdivision games than the Patriots did. Therefore, the Patriots won the division handedly in most of those years. So, once again, the OP's argument is incorrect just based on logic.