Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by quickccc, Jan 25, 2021.
Terry Bradshaw Warren moon. Jim Kelly. They all should be at the top of the list in my opinion
Brady Montana Marino shuffle them anyway you want
Dan Fouts shouldn’t even be on the list. And where is the snake
I'm not a kelly fan. In big games, he always got hurt
4 straight Super Bowls
I can’t believe the snake is not in that group
always "got hurt when he got behind" almost like it was his calling card.
I unfortunately never saw Roger live but from what I have seen in old games, highlights, etc, would it be a stretch to say that he was the Mahomes of that generation?
you were never out of a game if Roger got the ball back at the end of the game.
Not a stretch at all. He was definitely the best quarterback of the 70s, and there were some excellent ones in that era, for example, Fran Tarkenton, Kenny Stabler, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Hart, Bob Griese, and some others I can't think of at the moment. Those guys were outstanding quarterbacks and their teams were lucky to have them, but I would take Roger above any of them.
You’re right that his spotlight keeps him in the discussion but he’s not even close to HOF material. Winning 2 playoff games, both wild card wins is just a very anemic record where it counts most for HOF voters- the playoffs. Dan Marino won 8 playoff games and did make it to a SB. Romo never came close. He will certainly be in the ROH soon, but never the HOF.
The thing about Roger that never shows on a stat sheet is how much he raised the level of play of his team. And more importantly, look at how many times he made huge plays when you absolutely had to have it.
Everyone remembers the “Hail Mary” TD to Drew Pearson- certainly a top 5 greatest play in NFL history and it was in the playoffs. But what many forget is the play he made in the same game with no timeouts and facing a 4th and 17 with seconds remaining. He threw an absolute dart to Pearson for 21 yards and a first down. The Hail Mary was 2 plays later. Roger was a killer. His teams were never out of it.
I saw Roger play at the Yale Bowl against the Giants. Yankee Stadium was being renovated so the Giants played in the soggy Yale Bowl. Roger didn't have a very good game passing mostly because the Cowboys steam-rolled them for about 200 yards of rushing.
Background: I was a Connecticut 13 year old at church, bugging my father to leave so I wouldn’t miss any of the pre-game on TV. So he asked me if I really wanted to see the game and I said yeah - let's get home. Next thing I know I was watching the Cowboys team bus pulling up to the stadium.
So I saw my new favorite player, Drew Pearson (after Chuck Howley retired), throw a 49 yard TD bomb to Golden Richards that day.
Now those were truly "better times"!
This. IF the DC were down big at halftime which was rare, you never left your seat knowing there would be a game in the 4th quarter.
A list like this is really hard to do. But when I consider everything, because lets face it, this is a team sport. Besides Brady, John Elway is the best QB I've seen play when you take into consideration the era and team he played for.
Aikman was a better QB than Staubach.
Bart Starr always seems to get short thrift on these lists:
5 Championships / Superbowl victories
Multiple seasons with a QB rating above 100 (in the 1960s!)
Playoff QB rating of 105 (over 10 games), only finally surpassed 50 years later by Patrick Mahomes
He and Aikman both are under-rated in that they were QBs on teams with boatloads of HOFers who got more acclaim.
Useful comparison list at the Pro Football Reference HOF Monitor.
Staubach is 17th among QBs. Aikman has the 2nd lowest score among HOF QBs, only above Jim Kelly.
Per their list, Staubach, Aikman, Romo, White. Sounds right to me.
Interesting to look at Staubach's stats and season rankings. 4 years tops in the league for passer rating, various yards/att metrics, int%.
71 was simply freakish. Passer rating 15 points higher than the next best QB, while running 41 times for 8.4 ypc. Craig Morton was 9th in the league, and 30 points behind Staubach.
Always gotta normalize for the era a player was in. Normally rank in the league is a good metric, but there's being 1st, then there's being miles ahead of the pack. 1st just doesn't express what Staubach did in 71.
Elway is a top 5 QB. He carried some Denver teams to Super Bowls that had no business being there and only Brady has had more SB appearances. I have him third on my all-time QB list.