NFL Blames Lions Not Refs

[gimmesix]

It just doesn't make sense in that situation, the ref walks over to the defense and tells them who is eligible. The game clock is stopped and have plenty of time to go over their assignments, maybe it's a different story with the clock running.

I just think they were counting on Dallas to be focused on Skipper because he had been the previous eligible receiver and not focused on what the ref announced. They weren't counting on the official also being focused on Skipper because he had been the previous eligible receiver.

 

[CowboyStar88]

That's it, my fellow ref defenders. Come over to the dark side. Didn't I tell y'all the refs are always blameless? Hahaha. Seeing the pivot is so rich.

Nobody is saying the refs are blameless lol. People are saying the Lions are partly to blame for that particular scenario and how it played out.

We can talk about the tripping call if you’d like? They are absolutely 100% to blame for that call.

 

[gimmesix]

I think this is what led DC to state he was told you’re not allowed to have 2 players report as eligible in his PG. I think both 68 and 70 “reported” but one of them only used the verbal reporting, and since 70 had been reporting all game Allen deciphered it as 70 being reported as eligible, and which is why the Lions didn’t correct the announcement as they thought Allen acknowledged both as eligible with only one being announced over the PA.

That seems plausible.

 

[MarcusRock]

problem is in this case they are, Dunce Campbell is the one in the wrong

Yes, yes, that's it. Let the zebra stripes flow through you. Lol.

I have to say I admire the scheme to test the defense's awareness but if you have to rely on the refs to follow suit on a scheme, you're taking a chance.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I’m not counting on anything. The refs are obligated to tell the defense which ineligible numbers are eligible. So the defense can’t be tricked by whatever games Detroit was trying to play. The defense must be informed which players are eligible.

Exactly, there's no such thing as Ref/Player Confidentiality........

 

[shabazz]

That's it, my fellow ref defenders. Come over to the dark side. Didn't I tell y'all the refs are always blameless? Hahaha. Seeing the pivot is so rich.

I'm late to this party but do we have proof yet of who said what to the ref?

As far as blaming the refs, the way I look at it is if the refs got it wrong he screwed the cowboys just as much as the lions by providing false information to our defense.

But yeah, the officiating continues to degrade the quality and integrity of the game.......every single sports media is saying it ad nauseum..not just the biased fans anymore.

No putting this genie back in the bottle

 

[gimmesix]

Nobody is saying the refs are blameless lol. People are saying the Lions are partly to blame for that particular scenario and how it played out.

We can talk about the tripping call if you’d like? They are absolutely 100% to blame for that call.

Right. The official still should have gotten it correct and announced 68 instead of 70, but we also have to consider why he didn't get it right. There's a lot more to that than a missed holding call or missed tripping call.

 

[irishline]

Oh I don't absolve Detroit of blame. It just seems like people are absolving the refs of blame. While saying things like the refs "assumed" or was "Confused". That's just unacceptable.

This point of view of course means that you believe what Detroit told you about what was said to Allen. We honesty do not know if Skipper said he was eligible or not, nor do we know if Decker did as well. All we know is both walked towards Allen and may or may have not said something. What that was we do not know 100%. However we do know that afterwards Allen announced 70 as eligible. If Detroit tried to circumvent the rules, why would they also not try and embellish what actually occurred to pass the blame?

Actually Sewell walked towards Allen as well, who know what he may or may not have said. None of this was an accident. So I take what anyone on the Lions had to say, after the fact, with a grain of salt.

Not saying they are lying. But honestly cannot say that it aren't either at this point because they say they didn't.

 

[MarcusRock]

Nobody is saying the refs are blameless lol. People are saying the Lions are partly to blame for that particular scenario and how it played out.

We can talk about the tripping call if you’d like? They are absolutely 100% to blame for that call.

Relax. Just enjoying the turnabout of having so many ref defenders in the same spot 'round these parts. They're looking out for us, you know?

 

[TheHerd]

Right. The official still should have gotten it correct and announced 68 instead of 70, but we also have to consider why he didn't get it right. There's a lot more to that than a missed holding call or missed tripping call.

I disagree. Missing a call is one thing, but calling it on the OTHER team is something else entirely.

 

[TheHerd]

Relax. Just enjoying the turnabout of having so many ref defenders in the same spot 'round these parts. They're looking out for us, you know?

I don’t see ref defenders. I see people saying the facts, which is that the ref announced 70 and that’s it.

 

[rambo2]

All you guys are so concerned with defending the cowboys and making sure it seems like a clear win for them. Bottom line, they got lucky and we're going to lose that game.

But because they got lucky and the eagles are collapsing, everyone thinks this is the turn of the coin for the cowboys.

It's not, same story, they will collapse in the playoffs.

Got lucky? They had 2nd and 3 and the refs called a bogus tripping penalty that completely changed the game.

 

[MarcusRock]

I don’t see ref defenders. I see people saying the facts, which is that the ref announced 70 and that’s it.

I say the facts too as a matter of routine, whether it favors our team or not. That's why I like having the company. Maybe it'll catch on around here. Lol.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I just think they were counting on Dallas to be focused on Skipper because he had been the previous eligible receiver and not focused on what the ref announced. They weren't counting on the official also being focused on Skipper because he had been the previous eligible receiver.

Maybe, but this wasn't the right situation to do that. The clock is stopped, there is no rush to hurry alignments, this is a huge moment in the game and the defense is going to be hyper aware and communicate what's going on. It might have been a good call on the drive to score when they were in hurry-up mode, but not this situation.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Right. The official still should have gotten it correct and announced 68 instead of 70, but we also have to consider why he didn't get it right. There's a lot more to that than a missed holding call or missed tripping call.

This has been my only issue, is how some in the media, some of our fans are acting like it’s solely the refs fault for what went down. This isn’t a PI, hold or even “ trip” on a play this was a pre-snap error. I think one can objectively piece together what happened with the video, the postgame interviews, and the day after interviews with some of the info thats come out, and the Lions share 50% of the blame at the very least for how this played out.

That doesn’t absolve how putrid the refs have been and we can use that tripping call as a reference, but to just dismiss the Lions involvement is just being dishonest.

 

[FVSTONE]

“You’re not going to believe this, but the NFL is blaming the Lions for a blown call that cost them a win vs. the Cowboys on Saturday night.

According to Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio, the NFL has no plans to change the rules on players reporting as eligible after Saturday night’s fiasco in Dallas. And it’s not placing blame on the refs.

“Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL does not plan to change the procedure for players reporting as eligible. The league views the situation as an effort by the Lions to engage in deception and gamesmanship that backfired,” Florio said.

“Basically, the Lions wanted the Cowboys to think Skipper was reporting as eligible and that Decker was not. Which would have caused the Cowboys to cover Skipper, not Decker, when the play unfolded. The problem is that, in trying to confuse the Cowboys, the Lions confused Allen.”


Full Story Here:
https://www.clickondetroit.com/spor...call-on-2-point-play-vs-cowboys-not-the-refs/

If this is the case then why is the NFL punishing their game officials???? I guess they want their cake and eat it too......LOL!

 

[TheHerd]

I say the facts too as a matter of routine, whether it favors our team or not. That's why I like having the company. Maybe it'll catch on around here. Lol.

Fair enough. Comment on the tripping call?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yes, yes, that's it. Let the zebra stripes flow through you. Lol.

I have to say I admire the scheme to test the defense's awareness but if you have to rely on the refs to follow suit on a scheme, you're taking a chance.

I love how you think you have defeated many here even though you haven't. This wasn't a missed call, or refusal to call holding, this was a deliberate attempt by Ogre to deceive, then his hubris wouldn't allow him to notice 70 was announced, and then he lied about the ref saying the play was fine in a meeting.

 

[gimmesix]

This has been my only issue, is how some in the media, some of our fans are acting like it’s solely the refs fault for what went down. This isn’t a PI, hold or even “ trip” on a play this was a pre-snap error. I think one can objectively piece together what happened with the video, the postgame interviews, and the day after interviews with some of the info thats come out, and the Lions share 50% of the blame at the very least for how this played out.

That doesn’t absolve how putrid the refs have been and we can use that tripping call as a reference, but to just dismiss the Lions involvement is just being dishonest.

I think so, and I'd feel the same if it were our team even though I wouldn't be happy about it. There were multiple aspects to this attempt at deception and it's understandably that an official, who was not complicit in drawing up the deception, might get confused by it. I know the Lions said they talked to the official about it ahead of time, but they had weeks or months to draw it up while the officials had a few minutes to digest it. Now, should it have been hard ... not really, but there are a lot of things happening on the field that the refs have to process in the moment, that one was unable to get this right isn't nearly the same as missing a normal call that the officials are trained to make.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This point of view of course means that you believe what Detroit told you about what was said to Allen. We honesty do not know if Skipper said he was eligible or not, nor do we know if Decker did as well. All we know is both walked towards Allen and may or may have not said something. What that was we do not know 100%. However we do know that afterwards Allen announced 70 as eligible. If Detroit tried to circumvent the rules, why would they also not try and embellish what actually occurred to pass the blame?

Actually Sewell walked towards Allen as well, who know what he may or may not have said. None of this was an accident. So I take what anyone on the Lions had to say, after the fact, with a grain of salt.

Not saying they are lying. But honestly cannot say that it aren't either at this point because they say they didn't.

My line of thinking comes from the NFL demoting the officiating crew….they didn’t do that for the love of it.