NFL Blames Lions Not Refs

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am not going to talk to a brick wall anymore. Not worth my time. You have NO proof. But go ahead, hate away.

That's fine. WE can agree to disagree. Respectfully....no reason to act like a child about it. I have "no proof". Of course I don't. None of us do. All we can do is look at the visual evidence we have and what has been reported and the Lions say they reported 68. If it's not true I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong then but I've yet to see any "proof" to say it isn't true.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lamar Jackson tripped over a ref. They’re part of it .

The only question is why did the lions let the play go on with the wring number announced? The fact he got the wrong number isn’t shocking. They ran 3 guys at him and 70 was the guy the entire time. They called a trip on the wrong team. It makes sense to get it wrong, it doesn’t make sense to snap it with the wrong number announced

They let the wrong number get accounted because it was part of the deceit and that part they have to take blame in.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Oh I don't absolve Detroit of blame. It just seems like people are absolving the refs of blame. While saying things like the refs "assumed" or was "Confused". That's just unacceptable.

I think they both screwed up. The officiating has been putrid this year, my issue is would they have screwed up a pre-snap call if a team wasn’t trying to create confusion? This isn’t a PI call or a judgement call, it’s a pre-snap error created by the confusion of the Lions, in which translates into the ref screwing up the announcement (probably exactly what the lions wanted) but perhaps didn’t realize you can’t do that?

To me it just seems like this entire thing started when the lions sent 3 dudes out to the ref in that scenario they started the chain of events that followed, and that should hold them accountable to some degree.

Screw the refs they’ve sucked all year and that BS tripping call? WE should be pissed that it even got to that point, IMO. I’m glad people like Tony Dungy have pointed that out. That should be the play that irks people the most.

 

[DripTooHard]

There's a saying that goes "don't pay attention to what they say, pay attention to what they do."

The NFL is apparently downgrading this officiating crew, making them ineligible for post-season assignments. It doesn't matter if the NFL, through background channels, blames the Lions for the outcome. By downgrading the crew, and having this information come out the day after the game, their actions indicate that they blame the officiating crew.

My opinion? The Lions did try to be slick by having three linemen go to the referee at the same time, but they did have Decker report. Allen screwed it up, announced Skipper as reporting as eligible, and the Lions ran the play as they had designed it. While the Lions were privy to hearing the announcement over the PA as Skipper being eligible, they ran the play as they intended to anyway. This was all triggered by Allen messing up the eligible receiver.

Did you consider that the downgrade of this crew might be because the 2 point play should have never happened to begin with? This is in reference to the incorrect tripping call on Hendershot instead of the Detroit player. Game should have ended with Dallas running out the clock.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

“You’re not going to believe this, but the NFL is blaming the Lions for a blown call that cost them a win vs. the Cowboys on Saturday night.

According to Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio, the NFL has no plans to change the rules on players reporting as eligible after Saturday night’s fiasco in Dallas. And it’s not placing blame on the refs.

“Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL does not plan to change the procedure for players reporting as eligible. The league views the situation as an effort by the Lions to engage in deception and gamesmanship that backfired,” Florio said.

“Basically, the Lions wanted the Cowboys to think Skipper was reporting as eligible and that Decker was not. Which would have caused the Cowboys to cover Skipper, not Decker, when the play unfolded. The problem is that, in trying to confuse the Cowboys, the Lions confused Allen.”


Full Story Here:
https://www.clickondetroit.com/spor...call-on-2-point-play-vs-cowboys-not-the-refs/

it wasn't a blown call. its detroit trying to confuse us, pulling a fast one and it failed. the blown call was the tripping penalty that was missed.

 

[Hoov]

Labeling it “blown call” is a misleading.

They got the call right. They just (probably) announced the wrong lineman as eligible.

Lions definitely could have been clearer and definitely could have tried to correct after it was announced over the loud speaker.

That is the part most people are not talking about. When the ref announced #70 was reporting the Lions could have corrected him. They surely heard the announcement and ran the play anyway.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Were people actually expecting the NFL to say they screwed up? Have they ever admitted to blowing a call even when it's obvious that they did?

 

[Roadtrip635]

Yeah but why would they though? The whole point is to be sneaky so the linemen is open like he was. It's to catch the defense off guard like they did.

Because it makes no sense to try to be sneaky in that situation, the eligibility is going to be announced to the entire stadium and it will be conveyed to the defensive captain. It might make sense if this were a hurry-up situation with the game clock running with the defense scrambling to get set and the offense trying to get a play off quick, but it wasn't. Game clock is stopped, the eligibility is announced, both sides have ample time to adjust and get set, there is no advantage from their theatrics. It might have been a decent play call but not in that situation.

It's like playing the Shell Game, a lot of slight of hand, quick movement of the cups, but right before they ask you to pick a cup you get told which cup it's under.

 

[Nova]

That is the part most people are not talking about. When the ref announced #70 was reporting the Lions could have corrected him. They surely heard the announcement and ran the play anyway.

Yup.

Playing out that scenario though, it’s likely the Lions would have had to take a delay of game to get it corrected because the did not have timeouts and it was announced with 8 seconds on the play clock.

So that’s probably why they ran the play anyway.

But they really should not have been surprised when it got called back.

 

[gimmesix]

For those of you who don't want to read the entire artice you can scroll down to the part where Allen was NOT part of the pregame meeting with the coaches of both teams, so he was NOT aware of this potential play...so all the bs and inuendio DC and the Lions claim happened prior is a bunch of lies hiding the fact DC screwed up before hand, and trying to pull a fast one is just another mark on his stuipidity the entire game

That does change things up. If you have one player coming up to you and saying, "Report," while another player who has been reporting as eligible makes it seem like he's reporting while multiple players are going to the ref, it's hard to blame the official for getting confused, especially if he had no prior knowledge of this planned trick.

Like I said, I would be mad too if the play got flagged and my guys reported right, but it's easy to understand the confusion and the wrong number being announced as eligible gave Detroit an illegal advantage.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Were people actually expecting the NFL to say they screwed up? Have they ever admitted to blowing a call even when it's obvious that they did?

Nope.

 

[Hawkeye19]

The Lions also got TWO MORE TRIES at the 2pt play and FAILED!!!

To all the Detroit fans, players, coaches, and media saying they lost “because the refs suck!!”

Well—-

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Because it makes no sense to try to be sneaky in that situation, the eligibility is going to be announced to the entire stadium and it will be conveyed to the defensive captain. It might make sense if this were a hurry-up situation with the game clock running with the defense scrambling to get set and the offense trying to get a play off quick, but it wasn't. Game clock is stopped, the eligibility is announced, both sides have ample time to adjust and get set, there is no advantage from their theatrics. It might have been a decent play call but not in that situation.

It's like playing the Shell Game, a lot of slight of hand, quick movement of the cups, but right before they ask you to pick a cup you get told which cup it's under.

But what they did worked lol. Now I don't know if they knew the result would be what it was but they effectively confused the Cowboys and the refs. That's why they were sneaky about it. Now what I don't know is if they thought they'd throw a flag on that play because of the confusion.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Lions also got TWO MORE TRIES at the 2pt play and FAILED!!!

To all the Detroit fans, players, coaches, and media saying they lost “because the refs suck!!”

Well—-

Yeah Campbell really killed his team there. I get the 1st time. But then after the penalty just kick the ball and calm your team down. Emotions were high and he's an emotional coach and it's going to be his downfall coaching emotionally.

 

[The Quest for Six]

What part of Allen wasn’t part of that conversation don’t you comprehend? The HEAD ref who made the call? I think that tidbit of information is important to point out, don’t you?

So you don't think the refs talked about it prior to the game after Campbell told other refs what would take place on a two point conversion??? 68 left the huddle and went right up to the head ref and reported eligible, the video is clear, yet the dumb ref reported 70 was eligible, this is on the refs error

 

[gimmesix]

Yup.

Playing out that scenario though, it’s likely the Lions would have had to take a delay of game to get it corrected because the did not have timeouts and it was announced with 8 seconds on the play clock.

So that’s probably why they ran the play anyway.

But they really should not have been surprised when it got called back.

Right. It was kind of a no man's land. I don't think we should have expected Detroit to hear the wrong number being called and then hold up everything to get it corrected. It just backfired on them and that was unfortunate for them. I think the lesson learned from this is when you have a player reporting as eligible, tell him to make it clear to the officials that he's the one who's eligible. Maybe instead of just saying "Report" like Decker said he did, say "68 reporting."

 

[Hawkeye19]

Yeah Campbell really killed his team there. I get the 1st time. But then after the penalty just kick the ball and calm your team down. Emotions were high and he's an emotional coach and it's going to be his downfall coaching emotionally.

Yup. He forced it. His “trick” backfired, and Goff turned into “Goof” which happens fairly regularly.

Our D had been holding up all game on their 3rd and 4th downs. Learn to take the points sometimes and not let your ego write a check your players can’t cash.

Hilarious that this “tough guy” then turns around and cries about the refs after failing two more times at the conversion. Lol

They deserve to wear that L. They were lucky to even have a shot at tying the game period.

I know they want their “revenge” shot against us in Jan. I hope we see them. I think we win by 20+ next time.

 

[TheHerd]

What’s bizarre is the very nature of the rule has the refs telling the defense which number(s) are eligible, so it’s literally impossible to fool the defense. That’s by design because it would be a ridiculously bush league thing to allow.

 

[gimmesix]

Because it makes no sense to try to be sneaky in that situation, the eligibility is going to be announced to the entire stadium and it will be conveyed to the defensive captain. It might make sense if this were a hurry-up situation with the game clock running with the defense scrambling to get set and the offense trying to get a play off quick, but it wasn't. Game clock is stopped, the eligibility is announced, both sides have ample time to adjust and get set, there is no advantage from their theatrics. It might have been a decent play call but not in that situation.

It's like playing the Shell Game, a lot of slight of hand, quick movement of the cups, but right before they ask you to pick a cup you get told which cup it's under.

I assume that since Skipper had been reporting, Detroit was hoping that despite the number being announced, the defense would be paying attention to Skipper instead of Decker. The Lions has essentially been setting that up all game. They knew it would be announced, but they were trying to catch Dallas not paying attention to what was said but instead of what it had seen.

 

[Philmonroe]

Yeah but why would they though? The whole point is to be sneaky so the linemen is open like he was. It's to catch the defense off guard like they did.

Why try to be “sneaky” when the ref has to alert the defense which player is eligible in the first place? Your pov doesn’t make sense on this one. They did too much and it backfired.