NFL Blames Lions Not Refs

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Because the plan is to catch the Cowboys off guard. If they step in and say "OH wait guys you said the wrong number" then the Cowboys would just defend the lineman and the play fails.

Refs for sure are to blame here. They screwed up. Lions "confused" them but it's not the Lions job to make sure the ref isn't confused. They have every right to be pissed but it's on them.
Why are you do dense?
If the ref were not confused, the Cowboys would have known it was 68 because he HAS TO tell the Cowboys
 

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Yes, he is.

What's he going to do? Come out and say hep lanned all week to try to pull a fast one on the refs? Then be branded as a Bill Billicheat type l cheat for the rest of time? Nope. He was caught in his own snare and is trying to make the best of it by acting like the aggrieved party.
Thing is the league is on to his stunt, and will have zero sympathy from the refs and the league going forward
If the teams were reversed you be saying the refs screwed Dallas again and the NFL is out to get Dallas. You know you would. You are so bent with hate and envy because Belichick won so much. Got news for you, all teams bend the rules for an advantage it’s always been that way.
 

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I guess Dan Campbell is a liar then watch his comments after the game

He is he’s using deceptive language. He specifically leaves out Allen’s name when discussing his convo with the refs before the game. Now we find out that Allen wasn’t part of that meeting which makes Allen saying 70 had been reported all game more sense as to why he probably only acknowledged 70. It was sneaky and Detroit has only themselves to blame.
 

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Again, do you know for a fact who actually declared eligible on that play? What if 70 actually did declare as Allen announced? Are the refs still to blame then?
From everything I've seen and read the ref assumed 70 was the one declaring based on what had been happening prior to the play. If there's proof of something else happening then I'll change my stance on that but it's clear to me the Lions were trying to catch everyone off guard including the Cowboys.....it worked except they confused the ref as well who screwed up.
 

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If the teams were reversed you be saying the refs screwed Dallas again and the NFL is out to get Dallas. You know you would. You are so bent with hate and envy because Belichick won so much. Got news for you, all teams bend the rules for an advantage it’s always been that way.
No. You're a very bad mind-reader.
I'd be angry of the stupidity of my coach who tried to pull such a simplistic stunt.
I know I would.
 

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The funny part of the whole thing is Allen was informed about this very play and told Campbell he was good with it.
The article specifically says the opposite. So where did you hear that? (just a question since I haven't heard that).
 

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If the teams were reversed you be saying the refs screwed Dallas again and the NFL is out to get Dallas. You know you would. You are so bent with hate and envy because Belichick won so much. Got news for you, all teams bend the rules for an advantage it’s always been that way.

We just had this happen in Philly against us.
 

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Agreed. The part that really annoys me is the talking heads who are acting like the play would have worked exactly the same if the refs gave the D the other number. They accounted for 70, not because of the Lions deception, but because THATS who they were told was eligible. Of course the play works when the D is told the wrong number.

We have people on here that think the secondary should cover receivers and every lineman on every play. LOL.
Yeah that's CRAP. The Lions got an edge on that play because of the confusion lol. They won't admit it but it for sure was the case. Like you said the other lineman was covered that was actually reported.

ITs also worth noting there was what? 30 seconds left and we had 2 timeouts or 1? The game was not lover after this mistake lol.
 

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Because the plan is to catch the Cowboys off guard. If they step in and say "OH wait guys you said the wrong number" then the Cowboys would just defend the lineman and the play fails.

Refs for sure are to blame here. They screwed up. Lions "confused" them but it's not the Lions job to make sure the ref isn't confused. They have every right to be pissed but it's on them.

??? Is not the refs job to clear to ask the non sense and try to figure out the team's intention. No need for a lineman to address/approach the ref unless to make him self eligible. #70 rushed in to the field with that intention, after that the announcement was made and the Lions agreed since they did not object before the ball was snap.
 

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Yeah but why would they though? The whole point is to be sneaky so the linemen is open like he was. It's to catch the defense off guard like they did.
Because if they knew the rules they would know that if the wrong player is identified as eligible then them throwing to the "right" player was going to be illegal. The whole point is that if you are planning to use an ineligible number in an eligible role you HAVE to notify the defense. So if you play games and try NOT to notify the defense then you are breaking the damn rules on purpose and deserve what you get.
 

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I have no issue with them being slick about it. I wish we did. Bellicheat did it for years. It's not their fault the ref wasn't paying attention. But they confused him and that's on them. Cowboys fans shouldn't apologize for the refs foolery lol.
Actually it was the Lions fault to throw to #68 when #70 was ANOUNCED as eligible, you can't do that and it was called. So either they purposely ignored the announcement knowing it was wrong or forgot to listen for it, which would another stupid thing to do since you were intentionally trying to trick people into who was actually eligible.

DC made it apparent this wasn't a standard "tackle eligible" play because he claimed to have gone over it with the refs beforehand. The lions didn't follow through to make sure the right person was announced to the stadium and defense, which it has to be per the rule.

Actually this is making me chuckle, all this crying because a team tried to cheat and got caught.
 

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LOL, understand the rule please. The ref HAS TO tell the defense which player is eligible. He cant tell them the wrong number. The Cowboys heard 70 and covered him. If the ref had heard 68, he would have told the Cowboys 68 and we would have covered 68 instead of 70 and the play would have blown up

Why is this so difficult to understand?
I'm confused....where did I say I didn't understand the "rule"? I'm very aware of what the rule is. I'm telling you why they didn't correct the ref with the right number. Because of EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID....because then the attention is on the number being called. IF 68 is reporting the Cowboys defense covers 68. The plan is to be as sneaky as possible and catch the defense off guard which they did. But the Lions didn't screw up here it was the ref who screwed up he reported the wrong number.

Are you sure you understand?
 

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LOL, understand the rule please. The ref HAS TO tell the defense which player is eligible. He cant tell them the wrong number. The Cowboys heard 70 and covered him. If the ref had heard 68, he would have told the Cowboys 68 and we would have covered 68 instead of 70 and the play would have blown up

Why is this so difficult to understand?
Because anything that benefits the Cowboys is wrong.. Accept it and move on bro.
 

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Because if they knew the rules they would know that if the wrong player is identified as eligible then them throwing to the "right" player was going to be illegal. The whole point is that if you are planning to use an ineligible number in an eligible role you HAVE to notify the defense. So if you play games and try NOT to notify the defense then you are breaking the damn rules on purpose and deserve what you get.
But their argument is they gave them the right number. The refs announced the wrong number. Right or wrong that's their argument. It's exactly what Dan Campbell said on TV. "That's not the number we reported"....
 

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I guess Dan Campbell is a liar then watch his comments after the game
Yeah someone is flat out lying then either the NFL or Campbell. And to be honest....the NFL refuses to do anything but admit a mistake....they demoted this officiating crew but won't admit the mistakes they made lol.
 

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From everything I've seen and read the ref assumed 70 was the one declaring based on what had been happening prior to the play. If there's proof of something else happening then I'll change my stance on that but it's clear to me the Lions were trying to catch everyone off guard including the Cowboys.....it worked except they confused the ref as well who screwed up.
The Lions screwed up. Not the refs.
 

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No. You're a very bad mind-reader.
I'd be angry of the stupidity of my coach who tried to pull such a simplistic stunt.
I know I would.
And I’m not a “woe is me, everything is different for the Cowboys” kind of guy, but if the teams were switched I guarantee you the sports world be laughing at the Cowboys for trying such a convuluted scheme that backfired.

Exactly like Zeke lining up at center.
 
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