NFL going ahead with Investigation into Zeke

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Denim Chicken said:
I don't know if I would go that far. I mean, weren't the Ray Rice charges dropped? That dude most definitely needed a time out.
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Ray Rice was accepted into a Pre-Trial Diversion program where the charges could be dropped if he met a certain set of demands over a one year period....
 
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Carharris2 said:
The burden of proof is "more reasonable than not", I believe, and the league office determines the reasonableness.

I could easily see Goodell sticking it to the Cowboys. You need to look no further than the salary cap penalty to see they don't have to be anywhere close to reasonable.
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The salary cap penalty is way the hell beyond my comprehension, but I don't think the league goes around "sticking it to" any team in particular, including Dallas. But...there is a confluence of circumstances and recent events that I think make it more likely than not that Zeke gets the hammer.
 
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This seems crazy, and knowing the League I have a worried feeling EE gets suspended, even being innocent in all of this and having the proof. I get that league is trying to be tough on dv but this is overkill to me, and it is setting a way for any player to be accused of this knowing either way the player will be punished.
 
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Carharris2 said:
The burden of proof is "more reasonable than not", I believe, and the league office determines the reasonableness.

I could easily see Goodell sticking it to the Cowboys. You need to look no further than the salary cap penalty to see they don't have to be anywhere close to reasonable.
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I don't think the NFL is eager to destroy one of its newest stars for no reason. They have to announce they are investigating because they have implemented newer harsher standards. They will not screw Elliot with no evidence just because he is a Cowboy. People think like this because of the Tom Brady situation but I think Goodell was particularly harsh in that circumstance because part of the spygate resolution was that the Patriots would get a slap on the wrist, the evidence would be destroyed, but they'd better not get caught cheating again. It was reported that Goodell told them if they got caught again, the punishment would be as harsh as he could get away with. They didn't heed the warning and got caught again and Goodell kept his word. He is not out to get Jerry and the Cowboys.
 
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VACowboy said:
The salary cap penalty is way the hell beyond my comprehension, but I don't think the league goes around "sticking it to" any team in particular, including Dallas. But...there is a confluence of circumstances and recent events that I think make it more likely than not that Zeke gets the hammer.
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If the stink of an investigation helps me draft EE late in the first round that will be one silver and blue lining
 

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Unfortunate but this is the world we live in. Cant exactly blame the NFL here.
 
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He will be found innocent and because he may have held her arm too tight in defense, will be given 3 game suspension.
 
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Exactly, and what gives them the right to interview these persons for an investigation, if no charges were filed. And if they were, what still gives them the right. The NFL is not the law enforcement, though they act like they are.
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I completely agree with this. If I worked for a company or a business and I was accused of a crime. The police do not arrest me because they don't feel I did anything wrong. I feel the NFL has no right to investigate or intervene. Pre-Goodell days Paul Taglibue (sp) would wait till the justice system made it's decision and then acted upon it. In this day and age, the NFL is almost an FBI agency to these players. I don't feel the company that you work has a right to investigate you if the police drop the charges or do not press charges.

Here's why I feel strongly about this. If someone accuses me of DV or any other crime. When the police come and investigate me, If I lie, or any of my group of friends lie, then it's called perjury and that's a felony. As far as I know, you can lie to the NFL and not be charged with perjury or any other crime. So let's pretend the person is accusing me of a crime tells the truth to the police to avoid perjury but when the NFL comes knocking then the person lies about what I did. The I get suspended and my reputation is ruined. And if the person gets caught lying to the NFL, well who cares because it's not a crime. And this can go both ways, my friends can lie for me to keep me out of trouble and the NFL can't touch my friends.

Roger Goodell is out of control!
The NFL is a professional sports venue not a police force, FBI, CIA, or any other law enforcing entity in our society.
The NFL is overstepping it's boundaries with these things and should react to what the outcome of the due process is with the justice system and then punish it's players accordingly. There's no reason for the NFL and the police to be investigating the same crime at the same time.

Ok, Rant over
 
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plymkr said:
I completely agree with this. If I worked for a company or a business and I was accused of a crime. The police do not arrest me because they don't feel I did anything wrong. I feel the NFL has no right to investigate or intervene. Pre-Goodell days Paul Taglibue (sp) would wait till the justice system made it's decision and then acted upon it. In this day and age, the NFL is almost an FBI agency to these players. I don't feel the company that you work has a right to investigate you if the police drop the charges or do not press charges.

Here's why I feel strongly about this. If someone accuses me of DV or any other crime. When the police come and investigate me, If I lie, or any of my group of friends lie, then it's called perjury and that's a felony. As far as I know, you can lie to the NFL and not be charged with perjury or any other crime. So let's pretend the person is accusing me of a crime tells the truth to the police to avoid perjury but when the NFL comes knocking then the person lies about what I did. The I get suspended and my reputation is ruined. And if the person gets caught lying to the NFL, well who cares because it's not a crime. And this can go both ways, my friends can lie for me to keep me out of trouble and the NFL can't touch my friends.

Roger Goodell is out of control!
The NFL is a professional sports venue not a police force, FBI, CIA, or any other law enforcing entity in our society.
The NFL is overstepping it's boundaries with these things and should react to what the outcome of the due process is with the justice system and then punish it's players accordingly. There's no reason for the NFL and the police to be investigating the same crime at the same time.

Ok, Rant over
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The police are beholden to the law. A company is beholden to it's bottom line and their reputation can play a large role in that. Police may believe strongly that something happened but not be able to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt", a company has the freedom not to take a risk.

In other words...you can't compare what the police do to what a company can and should do.
 
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ChldsPlay said:
The police are beholden to the law. A company is beholden to it's bottom line and their reputation can play a large role in that. Police may believe strongly that something happened but not be able to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt", a company has the freedom not to take a risk.

In other words...you can't compare what the police do to what a company can and should do.
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Good point.
 
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If EE gets suspended with proof he is innocent of this, I will be completely and utterly disgusted for the umpteenth time with the NFL
 

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zrinkill said:
Good ...... they should make an investigation and then openly state that Zeke is innocent.
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They won't say he's innocent. But they should say they found no validity to the claims if indeed that is their finding.
 

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Denim Chicken said:
Serious question: What could they possibly investigate?

There is the police report they can review, yes.

Would the NFL go interview the woman in question, the witnesses to the incident? Will they ask to review Zeke's text messages?

Tying to get my mind around how intense they are able to investigate.
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My guess is they will look at all the available information. They'll read the police report, interview Zeke. I don't even know if they'll interview the young lady. The NFL doesn't have subpoena powers. Then again, this isn't a legal investigation.

I recall the Ray Rice case. The NFL didn't have any power to obtain the video tape. And had to amend its ruling once it became available and was broadcast to the world.
 

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DallasDomination said:
If that woman is lying Zeke needs to sue the living crap out of her. So she needs to get a real job like everyone else? Oh poor baby.
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That seems good theoretically, but it would be a waste of time for Zeke. It would tie him up in court, drag this issue on beyond what it's worth to him and would engender support for the woman (here's a multi-million dollar superstar trying to legally destroy his ex-girlfriend).

I think the damage is done for her.

Besides, if it happens again with another man, few (relatively speaking) are going to believe her any if her claims in this case are bogus.
 
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