NFL going ahead with Investigation into Zeke

[AsthmaField]

I have a question, how many of you would be saying what your saying, if elliot had been drafted by the Eagles?
We took ramsey and they took elliot.

If I knew everything that I knew right now, I would be saying the exact same thing. The outcome of this doesn't depend on what team he plays for. Has nothing to do with it.

 

[Kevinicus]

I agree completely. I think were me and you are having a disconnect is at what point and to what extent does the NFL investigate a criminal matter. I feel it's appropriate for the NFL to contact Elliott and interview him and somewhat investigate on Elliott. He's an NFL employee. I feel it's very inappropriate for the NFL to do a full scale investigation involving witnesses, evidence, etc. That's police work. Once the police work is done and the police decide to act accordingly then I feel the NFL should either punish the player or not punish the player depending on the justice system outcome.

If it's not done this way then Roger Goodell is basically in charge of a police force to investigate player activity, then he's the judge, jury and executioner based off of what his investigators found out. That is too much power for one person to have when there is not an accountability system set up for Roger and the people that he uses to investigate, i.e, witnesses. Roger has too much power as it is and if he ignores the legal system and uses his own people to investigate and then disciplines his players according to how he feels about the case then that's a dictatorship. We would be in a bad shape as far as the NFL goes if a player is exonerated in a court of Law but the Court of Goodell finds reason to discipline a player. Ala if Elliott was exonerated by the police but Goodell still suspended him for a portion or all of the season just because he felt his investigators found something.

I agree with everything you said. In no way do I feel that anything you said is wrong or incorrect and I respect your point of view. Elliott does represent the NFL and he needs to act like a pro and be a good example of the NFL. If he's not, the NFL has the right to investigate him. In short where we differ is I feel the NFL has the right to investigate only him and nothing else with this case and allow an independent party do their job. And not just in this case but in every criminal case with every team.

Well, I think they are within their rights to do what they can to get the best picture of what happened. That includes talking to witnesses, etc. The difference is, that the NFL, or another company, doesn't have the legal authority to compel anyone to cooperate with them (with the exception of their own employee - to an extent). They can request to speak to people involved, but those people can tell the NFL to stick it where the sun don't shine. I can't blame them for trying though, if that's where they want to devote their resources.

There's nothing wrong with a business being a dictatorship. Employees have the right to work elsewhere if they don't like their work environment, and the players agreed to the current parameters that they now work under.

 

[aikemirv]

Due diligence/CYA.

You cannot, in the current climate, disregard it and not conduct at least an investigation.

Honestly, they could and should and should leave it up to the police department. As many have stated, they do not have the legal right to ask under oath and no way to ensure the truth is told via perjury. People could tell them complete lies without any recourse and they have much less chance getting at the truth than detectives. Just because the employee is in the public spotlight enough for the world to see the accusation does not mean that the employer gets to be their own judge and jury IMO.

I think the findings of law enforcement should be enough when it is a legal matter. Why should innocent until proven guilty be a different standard for employment? If that was the case Ray Lewis should have never been allowed back in the NFL!

 

[tyke1doe]

From what I've read it seems the girl who took the photo back in May was just a chick he hooked up with at the time, but he is dating her now. She's also the one who beat up Tiffany Thompson (the accuser ex girlfriend)

So she and TT got into the bar fight?

It's not my girlfriend, but I have my doubts about a girlfriend who would take a picture of me in a private moment (and of her in the bed with me) and then post it for the world to see.

That screams esteem issues/possessiveness to me. I hope he doesn't get himself in trouble down the road.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, I think they are within their rights to do what they can to get the best picture of what happened. That includes talking to witnesses, etc. The difference is, that the NFL, or another company, doesn't have the legal authority to compel anyone to cooperate with them (with the exception of their own employee - to an extent). They can request to speak to people involved, but those people can tell the NFL to stick it where the sun don't shine. I can't blame them for trying though, if that's where they want to devote their resources.

There's nothing wrong with a business being a dictatorship. Employees have the right to work elsewhere if they don't like their work environment, and the players agreed to the current parameters that they now work under.

I agree except for one statement, the one I bold above.
An employer still has to respect an employee's basic rights. An employer can't do anything he/she wants to. There are employment laws that govern the treatment of employees.

 

[erod]

So he's dating a girl that beat up his ex-girlfriend?

Oh Lordy.

 

[Kevinicus]

I agree except for one statement, the one I bold above.
An employer still has to respect an employee's basic rights. An employer can't do anything he/she wants to. There are employment laws that govern the treatment of employees.

Of course, it's not a carte blanche. I just meant that if an employee doesn't like the rules/policies of a company (that are legal), then they can go elsewhere.

 

[Jstopper]

So she and TT got into the bar fight?

It's not my girlfriend, but I have my doubts about a girlfriend who would take a picture of me in a private moment (and of her in the bed with me) and then post it for the world to see.

That screams esteem issues/possessiveness to me. I hope he doesn't get himself in trouble down the road.

Ehhh I wouldn't read So much into that. The younger generation is a lot less conservative than older people about stuff like that. Not necessarily to say you have esteem issues if you post a picture of you and your bf in bed. Loads of girls do that on Instagram Snapchat etc who I know personally are very good life partners.

 

[Blackspider214]

No surprise. NFL has to investigate matters like these. But this is a non story. Disgruntled ex who tried to frame him for something he didn't do. She's a low life.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Not too worried, the NFL won't suspend him for having a crazy ex girlfriend.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Wonderful

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Ehhh I wouldn't read So much into that. The younger generation is a lot less conservative than older people about stuff like that. Not necessarily to say you have esteem issues if you post a picture of you and your bf in bed. Loads of girls do that on Instagram Snapchat etc who I know personally are very good life partners.

yeah it is a generational thing

 

[plymkr]

Well, I think they are within their rights to do what they can to get the best picture of what happened. That includes talking to witnesses, etc. The difference is, that the NFL, or another company, doesn't have the legal authority to compel anyone to cooperate with them (with the exception of their own employee - to an extent). They can request to speak to people involved, but those people can tell the NFL to stick it where the sun don't shine. I can't blame them for trying though, if that's where they want to devote their resources.

There's nothing wrong with a business being a dictatorship. Employees have the right to work elsewhere if they don't like their work environment, and the players agreed to the current parameters that they now work under.

So your okay with Roger Goodell being a dictator? I think this is the part where we'll have to agree to disagree. I would be furious if EE was investigated by the police and exonerated. Then Roger Goodall investigated EE and all the witnesses and looked over the evidence and suspended him for the year.

That's a realistic outcome if Goodell has his own investigators, and he is the judge, jury and executioner and there is no entity that holds him accountable and if the witnesses want to lie to him to stick it to EE (or any other player), they can without any repercussions.

I respectfully disagree with you on this one. I'm not comfortable with Roger Goodell having that much power. He's a football guy, not a criminal investigator or a prosecuting judge/lawyer.

 

[JohnsKey19]

It's probably just the Negative Nelly in me but the 2016 season has an ominous feel to it and we haven't even made it to August yet. I guess there's a positive wrapped in that statement somewhere but good grief, what else can possibly break next?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I have a question, how many of you would be saying what your saying, if elliot had been drafted by the Eagles?
We took ramsey and they took elliot.

I have a question. Why are you here?

 

[casmith07]

Honestly, they could and should and should leave it up to the police department. As many have stated, they do not have the legal right to ask under oath and no way to ensure the truth is told via perjury. People could tell them complete lies without any recourse and they have much less chance getting at the truth than detectives. Just because the employee is in the public spotlight enough for the world to see the accusation does not mean that the employer gets to be their own judge and jury IMO.

I think the findings of law enforcement should be enough when it is a legal matter. Why should innocent until proven guilty be a different standard for employment? If that was the case Ray Lewis should have never been allowed back in the NFL!

As an attorney, preaching to the choir.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ehhh I wouldn't read So much into that. The younger generation is a lot less conservative than older people about stuff like that. Not necessarily to say you have esteem issues if you post a picture of you and your bf in bed. Loads of girls do that on Instagram Snapchat etc who I know personally are very good life partners.

The reason why I say she has esteem issues is because she appears to establish her identity as a person who is sleeping with a star athlete.

I don't believe people do things without a reason. There's an underlying reason why anyone does what he or she does.

Women who take pictures of themselves with men in bed, particularly celebrities, and make them public are basically proud of the fact they're in bed with that athlete. Otherwise, why would they post it?

And, to me, that's an esteem issue.

Oh, and good life partners can have esteem issues too. Just saying.

 

[tyke1doe]

yeah it is a generational thing

It may be a generational thing. But that doesn't negate my observation.
Every generation tells a story and has a reason for why it does what it does.
We are in more of an exhibitionist culture, more so than the previous generation. But I think it says a lot about THIS generation, particularly what it finds necessary to exhibit.

 

[Jarv]

2014 was a season that all were dreading also. Got me great odds (40-1) on my yearly ticket for us to win the super bowl. That ticket looked pretty good come December of that year. I'm riding my Harley from CA to CT the next couple of weeks and will be stopping by Nevada to place my annual bet.

Wonder what kind of odds I'll get this year? These latest news stories can only help the cause.

It's a long season folks, don't panic and I'll be carrying a towel on my journey.

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[erod]

I'm not worried about the investigation at this point, but.......

Here we have our freshly-drafted star of the future to parade in training camp, and what will ALL of the questions posed to him be?