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[CrazyCowboy]

The extra pay is only for the MOXIE

 

[Tio]

I remember reading an article near last years draft that the coaches actually pushed for pacman. It was brought up as the reason the GM took Young last year despite the coaches wanting Leinart, because Pacman didn't do too hot his rookie year and still had off field issues. I'm almost certain the GM didn't want Pacman and he was not going to let the coaches decide on the player again. I'd look for the article, but its 6 in the morning.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Umm actually Floyd Reese retired from the game on his own and he actually was one of the better talent evaluators in the NFL, so I don't know about that comment..

retired on his own, you believe that?

 

[sonnyboy]

As is the case with most things in life, I see a compromise as the solution to this dilema.

A new contract signed before camp is in everybody's best interest.

It should be a contract that pays Romo as well as a QB should be paid who plays as well as the Cowboys management HOPES Romo will play.

The contract should give Dallas a 1 year escape hatch if Romo is a complete dissapointment and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not a quality starter.

I'm thinking a contract big on money, long on years and short on guaranteed/bonus money.

7 YEARS- 70 MIL- 8 MIL Bonus with a first yr salary of 1 mil.

This basically guarantees Romo 9 mil dollars and financial security for the rest of his life, if he fails and is cut.
It also allows Dallas the financial freedom to cut Romo and take a reasonable 9 mil dollar hit spread out over two years. This would alllow them to draft a QB in the top 5 next year if needed.

You can split hairs about the rest of the contract. How big it should be, how much should be in the form of incentive bonuses etc.

The main theme is long money, short guarantees.

 

[Alexander]

A new contract signed before camp is in everybody's best interest.

How is that in our best interest if Romo is not a franchise QB?

I would sign him now to a Schaub contract. But I doubt he would sign for anything close to it.

If it is a reasonable deal with plenty of room if we need to cut ties, I would not care if we signed him tomorrow. We don't have any guarantees that this is even possible.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I agree with you 100% on this.

Some players insist on being involved... It can and does have an effect on some players. Most of the time it's character related. If a player insists on being involved in the negotiations, you should question their character. That doesn't mean not sign them, you should just add that detail into your checks and balances when deciding what a player is worth.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I remember reading an article near last years draft that the coaches actually pushed for pacman. It was brought up as the reason the GM took Young last year despite the coaches wanting Leinart, because Pacman didn't do too hot his rookie year and still had off field issues. I'm almost certain the GM didn't want Pacman and he was not going to let the coaches decide on the player again. I'd look for the article, but its 6 in the morning.

I saw an interview with Reese on this a few weeks ago. He claimed that he was not in favor of drafting Jones. Said that in the end, it was an organizational decision that didn't work out.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

As is the case with most things in life, I see a compromise as the solution to this dilema.

A new contract signed before camp is in everybody's best interest.

It should be a contract that pays Romo as well as a QB should be paid who plays as well as the Cowboys management HOPES Romo will play.

The contract should give Dallas a 1 year escape hatch if Romo is a complete dissapointment and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not a quality starter.

I'm thinking a contract big on money, long on years and short on guaranteed/bonus money.

7 YEARS- 70 MIL- 8 MIL Bonus with a first yr salary of 1 mil.

This basically guarantees Romo 9 mil dollars and financial security for the rest of his life, if he fails and is cut.
It also allows Dallas the financial freedom to cut Romo and take a reasonable 9 mil dollar hit spread out over two years. This would alllow them to draft a QB in the top 5 next year if needed.

You can split hairs about the rest of the contract. How big it should be, how much should be in the form of incentive bonuses etc.

The main theme is long money, short guarantees.

I seriously doubt any Player Agent would allow his client to sign a deal like that, if your representing a player like Romo. No chance this kind of contract is ever considered IMO. Too easy to just hold out and sign a better deal in a year IMO.

 

[Vintage]

If Romo would sign a Schaub like deal, I am all over that....

But thats not likely.

If I am Romo, I am holding out for at least 15M in guaranteed money. Hell, Davis got that. And he's an OG. You are the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. You went to the Pro Bowl. You are playing for a franchise that has been desparetly looking for the next great Dallas QB.

So if Davis can get 49M with 15M in guaranteed (or something close to that), and I am a QB and not an OG....and went to the Pro Bowl....I'd try and get 65M with 20 or so guaranteed!

Hold out for at least 20M Romo!

Get 'er dun!

 

[sonnyboy]

I here you guys on a bigger signing bonus.

Romo is a probowler. He's also a player with 10 starts.

My whole idea of a big money deal with a small signing bonus was a compromise.

Maybe you go has high as 80 mil for 7 years or 92 mil for 8 years, but the bonus should stay under 10 mil to give the Cowboys an escape hatch.


I still see this as a very fair compromise. Think about it. What are the potential senarios that could play out.

Senario 1 2006 Romo was a mirage. He cant play in this league and the Cowboys cut him after 2007. Chances of this coming to pass are very slim and Romo still walks away (perhaps to the PGA) with 8-10 mil.

Senario 2 He makes the probowl and leads the Cowboys to the Superbowl.
In this senario his contract fairly compensates him. Becuse of the value he has, the Cowboys don't even conside cutting him, he'll see the nonguaranteed portion of his contract for sure.

Senario 3 As much as a I hate to admit it, the most likely senario. Romo is good but not great and we don't win the NFC. Romo is somewhat overpaid, but because of the value a quality QB has, the Cowboys don't even consider cutting him. For at least the next few years Romo will play under this contract.

 

[firehawk350]

I here you guys on a bigger signing bonus.

Romo is a probowler. He's also a player with 10 starts.

My whole idea of a big money deal with a small signing bonus was a compromise.

Maybe you go has high as 80 mil for 7 years or 92 mil for 8 years, but the bonus should stay under 10 mil to give the Cowboys an escape hatch.


I still see this as a very fair compromise. Think about it. What are the potential senarios that could play out.

Senario 1 2006 Romo was a mirage. He cant play in this league and the Cowboys cut him after 2007. Chances of this coming to pass are very slim and Romo still walks away (perhaps to the PGA) with 8-10 mil.

Senario 2 He makes the probowl and leads the Cowboys to the Superbowl.
In this senario his contract fairly compensates him. Becuse of the value he has, the Cowboys don't even conside cutting him, he'll see the nonguaranteed portion of his contract for sure.

Senario 3 As much as a I hate to admit it, the most likely senario. Romo is good but not great and we don't win the NFC. Romo is somewhat overpaid, but because of the value a quality QB has, the Cowboys don't even consider cutting him. For at least the next few years Romo will play under this contract.

I don't know dude, I mean, your looking at signing a top 10 draft pick plus a first rounder and Hamlin (if he plays well) will want a big deal and so will Newman. Doesn't TO's cap hit go up to $10M in 08? So if Romo plays poorly, you can add another $7M of DEAD cap space. That's getting real tight.

On the other hand, Romo will look at his contract and see salaries of like $1M, $1.5M, $7.5M, $10.5M, $10M, $12.5M, $20M. That's really the only way to get the high numbers you want but keep the initial salaries low. I mean, if you see that, don't you think, okay, they plan on keeping me for 2 years to see if I work out and then cutting or reworking the deal. You've got to be realistic and unless he plays like Peyton those two years, the chances are that year 3 and beyond are just too much money.

 

[Vintage]

^ Also, we have 2 1st rounders next year. And if Cleveland does suck, thats going to tie up a good chunk as well.

 

[sonnyboy]

I don't know dude, I mean, your looking at signing a top 10 draft pick plus a first rounder and Hamlin (if he plays well) will want a big deal and so will Newman. Doesn't TO's cap hit go up to $10M in 08? So if Romo plays poorly, you can add another $7M of DEAD cap space. That's getting real tight.

On the other hand, Romo will look at his contract and see salaries of like $1M, $1.5M, $7.5M, $10.5M, $10M, $12.5M, $20M. That's really the only way to get the high numbers you want but keep the initial salaries low. I mean, if you see that, don't you think, okay, they plan on keeping me for 2 years to see if I work out and then cutting or reworking the deal. You've got to be realistic and unless he plays like Peyton those two years, the chances are that year 3 and beyond are just too much money.

Good points.

I thought that deal might look like this: 8 years 80 mil 8 mil SB

Year......2007..2008..2009..2010..2011..2012..2013..2014
Salary......1.0....8.0...11.0..11.0...11.0..12.0...13.0...14.0
CapHit......2.0....9.0...12.0..12.0...12.0..13.0...14.0...15.0

I'm only looking for the first year to be low.
Remember, the only way Dallas gets out of this deal is to cut Romo.
So if he's just pretty good he has a lot of leverage to keep this deal in place.
At least for a few years until we can replace him.

Another way to do this would be to skim about 8 mil from the salaries due 2009-2012 and accelerate that in a bonus due after the 2008 season.

That would make the 2008 offseason the final decision point on Romo.
It could also give his cap hit a smoother increase for 9mil in 2008 to 14 mil in 2013

 

[firehawk350]

Good points.

I thought that deal might look like this: 8 years 80 mil 8 mil SB

Year......2007..2008..2009..2010..2011..2012..2013..2014
Salary......1.0....8.0...11.0..11.0...11.0..12.0...13.0...14.0
CapHit......2.0....9.0...12.0..12.0...12.0..13.0...14.0...15.0

I'm only looking for the first year to be low.
Remember, the only way Dallas gets out of this deal is to cut Romo.
So if he's just pretty good he has a lot of leverage to keep this deal in place.
At least for a few years until we can replace him.

Another way to do this would be to skim about 8 mil from the salaries due 2009-2012 and accelerate that in a bonus due after the 2008 season.

That would make the 2008 offseason the final decision point on Romo.
It could also give his cap hit a smoother increase for 9mil in 2008 to 14 mil in 2013

Okay, what happens if he still shows inconsistency. One full year of starting isn't necessarily what calls his career. Do you keep him on for a $9M cap hit or do you let him go and see if he develops elsewhere. I think QBs need a full year of starting before they should absolutely be judged. So I think Romo's make-or-break year should be next, not this, year

 

[sonnyboy]

Okay, what happens if he still shows inconsistency. One full year of starting isn't necessarily what calls his career. Do you keep him on for a $9M cap hit or do you let him go and see if he develops elsewhere. I think QBs need a full year of starting before they should absolutely be judged. So I think Romo's make-or-break year should be next, not this, year

You're right. That's why I was thinking of that second 8 mil bonus due after the 2008 season. Giving us 2 full years before we really committ.

Something else to consider with this type deal. A deal that gives you the rip cord for the 2007 and 2008 off seasons.

What if Romo is only ok in 2007. And we do get the #1 pick from Cleveland. And Brohm not only has a great season but tests off the chart establishing himself as a super blue chip Elway type prospect.

Having this type deal with Romo will not take away our negotiating power to trade that pick or allow us to actually use the pick on Brohm if we want to go that way.

Now Romo can be our J. Kitna for 2008.

 

[Vintage]

Now Romo can be our J. Kitna for 2008.

This made me laugh.

(Not at you for your post....because I agree, Romo isn't a for sure thing).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't believe in season contract negotiations are distractions at all. That gets overplayed. Last year we did it with Witten, Roy, and Bradie. Can you show me the distractions of the team until we got the deals done?

Romo won't talk contract during the season

everyone should just forget about that idea

 

[Hostile]

Romo won't talk contract during the season

everyone should just forget about that idea

He doesn't need to. That's what his agent is for.

 

[5Stars]

Okay, what happens if he still shows inconsistency. One full year of starting isn't necessarily what calls his career. Do you keep him on for a $9M cap hit or do you let him go and see if he develops elsewhere. I think QBs need a full year of starting before they should absolutely be judged. So I think Romo's make-or-break year should be next, not this, year

What is Campbell's contract? What has he shown? Is he making more money TODAY than your teams QB?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He doesn't need to. That's what his agent is for.

no way!

but I don't think he was speaking about his involvement, just the talks in general