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[Jimbo123]

If you play football, you know there is more to the game than stats. There is a huge difference between throwing into pass coverage as opposed to throwing into heavy run defenses. It's night and day. Ask Lamar Jackson after 2019. People that play the game don't need statistics.

 

[Praxit]

..its anyone's season. Depending how the cards fall.

Luckily for us. We're right where WE WANT to be. In the thick of it.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I don't think he did. I don't think he has shown he can throw into pass coverage. I'm still waiting for that. When he does, I'll give him the credit. He's throwing into heavy run defenses. He's the QB that can beat you if you stop the run and force him to beat you through the air. He'll beat you. But Dak, and I'm not a big fan, never really had that luxury beyond 2016. He does a lot of throwing into heavy pass coverage because he's no threat to run.

No, he does throw into pass coverage. He can do it because AJ Brown and Smith are among the best at getting contested balls. Hurts absolutely improved his passing game. What he didn't do last year was make stupid decisions throwing the ball. 460 passes with six interceptions. His interception % rate was a mere 1.3% on all pass attempts (Dak was 3.8% if anyone is wondering). This young man has done nothing but work his *** off and improve every year. Would he be as successful in our scheme? Nope, just as Dak would not do well in Philly's scheme. Then there are the posters (not saying you) that want to denigrate him because of his excellent roster and his coaches putting in the right scheme for his skillset. Geez, if that is the new criteria, better call the HoF and tell them to kick out Troy.

I would be quite happy to see Hurts regress as a QB. I don't think it will happen.

 

[CowboyFrog]

No, he does throw into pass coverage. He can do it because AJ Brown and Smith are among the best at getting contested balls. Hurts absolutely improved his passing game. What he didn't do last year was make stupid decisions throwing the ball. 460 passes with six interceptions. His interception % rate was a mere 1.3% on all pass attempts (Dak was 3.8% if anyone is wondering). This young man has done nothing but work his *** off and improve every year. Would he be as successful in our scheme? Nope, just as Dak would not do well in Philly's scheme. Then there are the posters (not saying you) that want to denigrate him because of his excellent roster and his coaches putting in the right scheme for his skillset. Geez, if that is the new criteria, better call the HoF and tell them to kick out Troy.

I would be quite happy to see Hurts regress as a QB. I don't think it will happen.

I dont even know if you would call it regressing, more like diferent situation.. again you put Hurtz and the Eagles offense in come from behind situations and its going to look worse..Hurtz had a good year but the fact is the Eagles didnt ask him to throw the ball to beat teams..that is just a fact he threw the ball the least amount of times out of the games he played other than Fields.. thats just a fact.

 

[SuperBowlz]

Jalen Hurts

TEAM

C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	SACKS	QBR	RTG
15/25	121	4.8	0	0	1-0	64.6	72.3

Scorched the SF defense, are we sure this is scorching? maybe he had some short fields in such since you know SF was playing a WR at QB and couldn't attempt passes....

7/13

74

5.7

0

0

2-14

13.3

70.7

The SF QB put up a 13.3 QBR come on now Hurtz had good games last year this was not a game they even needed him at all. The NFL put a new rule in for 3rd QB's on the gameday for this reason..lol

Didn't my post say Hertz can't be faulted that his D destroyed the 49ers. I didn't say he scorched them. I said he led the Eagles to like 35 points against an excellent D. He played turnover free football and did what his team needed to get to the SB. I never said he scorched the Niners. I said he played great in the SB.

 

[StarOfGlory]

I dont even know if you would call it regressing, more like diferent situation.. again you put Hurtz and the Eagles offense in come from behind situations and its going to look worse..Hurtz had a good year but the fact is the Eagles didnt ask him to throw the ball to beat teams..that is just a fact he threw the ball the least amount of times out of the games he played other than Fields.. thats just a fact.

But there are posters that will look at that as proof that Hurts really isn’t good. To me, that is ridiculous. Hurts takes what the defense gives. That is a very good way to play the game.

 

[SuperBowlz]

But there are posters that will look at that as proof that Hurts really isn’t good. To me, that is ridiculous. Hurts takes what the defense gives. That is a very good way to play the game.

He also overcomes his limitations by playing smart, turnover free football. He is never going to be a Peyton Manning type.

 

[mcmvp]

I dont even know if you would call it regressing, more like diferent situation.. again you put Hurtz and the Eagles offense in come from behind situations and its going to look worse..Hurtz had a good year but the fact is the Eagles didnt ask him to throw the ball to beat teams..that is just a fact he threw the ball the least amount of times out of the games he played other than Fields.. thats just a fact.

Not entirely true. 41.5% of his overall pass attempts came on 1st down (same as Mahomes…Dak was 35%) and he had a 95.2 rating on 1st down. Dak’s 1st down passer rating was 81.6.

The result was the Eagles jumped all over teams in the first half of games and had many huge leads at halftime. Why would he need to have to keep throwing as much in the 2nd half when you have that oline and big leads? His early game efficiency was one of the main reasons he didn’t have as many attempts

 

[CowboyFrog]

Not entirely true. 41.5% of his overall pass attempts came on 1st down (same as Mahomes…Dak was 35%) and he had a 95.2 rating on 1st down. Dak’s 1st down passer rating was 81.6.

The result was the Eagles jumped all over teams in the first half of games and had many huge leads at halftime. Why would he need to have to keep throwing as much in the 2nd half when you have that oline and big leads? His early game efficiency was one of the main reasons he didn’t have as many attempts

I literally said diferent situation because not comming from behind... and he had fewer pass attempts than others who played the same amount of games...now if you have an argument that Hurtz passing the ball was the driving force Philly used last year to win games then Ill certainly look at it.

 

[mcmvp]

I literally said diferent situation because not comming from behind... and he had fewer pass attempts than others who played the same amount of games...now if you have an argument that Hurtz passing the ball was the driving force Philly used last year to win games then Ill certainly look at it.

Well his first half stats last season were:

196 completions
293 attempts (about 64% of his overall season attempts)
67% completion rate
2,498 yards
8.5 YPA
14 TDs
4 INTs
103.6 rating

So yeah, his first half passing production/efficiency was a very big reason why they held big leads at halftime and did not have to throw as much the rest of the game

 

[CowboyFrog]

Well his first half stats last season were:

196 completions
293 attempts (about 64% of his overall season attempts)
67% completion rate
2,498 yards
8.5 YPA
14 TDs
4 INTs
103.6 rating

So yeah, his first half passing production/efficiency was a very big reason why they held big leads at halftime and did not have to throw as much the rest of the game

so you believe the Eagles threw the ball to open up the run? Again I could be wrong but I'm betting most experts would say they used the run to throw the ball.. but yeah he played good last year, I'm not sure it looks as good if he is throwing the ball 30 times a game. Im guessing he will have to do more this year so we will see.

 

[SuperBowlz]

I literally said diferent situation because not comming from behind... and he had fewer pass attempts than others who played the same amount of games...now if you have an argument that Hurtz passing the ball was the driving force Philly used last year to win games then Ill certainly look at it.

I remember Hurts being down 8 points late in the SB and driving them down for the score and him running in the two point conversion. Doesn't get more behind and pressure filled then that.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Well his first half stats last season were:

196 completions
293 attempts (about 64% of his overall season attempts)
67% completion rate
2,498 yards
8.5 YPA
14 TDs
4 INTs
103.6 rating

So yeah, his first half passing production/efficiency was a very big reason why they held big leads at halftime and did not have to throw as much the rest of the game

they were the sixth lowest team in run/pass ratio.. if they thought the pass was working they sure got away from it as fast as they could...

 

[mcmvp]

so you believe the Eagles threw the ball to open up the run? Again I could be wrong but I'm betting most experts would say they used the run to throw the ball.. but yeah he played good last year, I'm not sure it looks as good if he is throwing the ball 30 times a game. Im guessing he will have to do more this year so we will see.

They were very balanced on 1st down as far as run/pass ratio. They did neither run to set up the pass, nor pass to set up the run. But he did pass more on first downs in the first half of football games than most people think. Some people just can’t get past looking at Hurts and thinking “run”.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I remember Hurts being down 8 points late in the SB and driving them down for the score and him running in the two point conversion. Doesn't get more behind and pressure filled then that.

was he not part of the reason they were behind? again he wasnt asked to throw the ball last year as much as almost any QB on any other team.. thats not an opinion thats a fact.

 

[CowboyFrog]

They were very balanced on 1st down as far as run/pass ratio. They did neither run to set up the pass, nor pass to set up the run. But he did pass more on first downs in the first half of football games than most people think. Some people just can’t get past looking at Hurts and thinking “run”.

I'm not thinking anything I'm going strictly of what his caoch called last year. Thats not my opinion, its the black and white record of what was called..

 

[mcmvp]

I'm not thinking anything I'm going strictly of what his caoch called last year. Thats not my opinion, its the black and white record of what was called..

My point is this. If he was not as efficient or productive throwing the ball in the first half of games, he probably would’ve ended up having a lot more passing attempts for the season because they would not have held the leads that they did. They would’ve been playing more from behind and throwing the ball more as a result.

I don’t think you can just look at the raw season numbers without putting them into context. What coaches call on first downs in the first half of games tells you a lot. And they were much more run/pass balanced on first downs than most people think.

 

[SuperBowlz]

was he not part of the reason they were behind? again he wasnt asked to throw the ball last year as much as almost any QB on any other team.. thats not an opinion thats a fact.

He was not at all why they were behind. The Chiefs scored on every single possession the 2nd half. Quite honestly, Reid won the SB but out coaching the Eagles D coordinator. Hurtz was the true MVP of the SB and not at all why they were down. He was tremendous in the SB.
The Eagles are a heavy run team and have 4 good backs. They have a great run blocking OLine so it makes sense they are a run first team. The beat you up and wear you down and run a lot especially in the 2nd half.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Love it when these guys drop the mask. Hurts next win against a good team will the first of his career

 

[CowboyFrog]

He was not at all why they were behind. The Chiefs scored on every single possession the 2nd half. Quite honestly, Reid won the SB but out coaching the Eagles D coordinator. Hurtz was the true MVP of the SB and not at all why they were down. He was tremendous in the SB.
The Eagles are a heavy run team and have 4 good backs. They have a great run blocking OLine so it makes sense they are a run first team. The beat you up and wear you down and run a lot especially in the 2nd half.

I mean they were neck and neck and the Chiefs defense scored a TD on a play where Hurtz was the only player to touch the ball... i didnt imagine that it really happened. If your defense is getting waxed then the last thing you need to to is hand the other team a free score..right?