NFL QB position going through a correction?

[Buzzbait]

Yes a QB Market correction is overdue. More than anything, I think there needs to be a QB middle class, if possible. However, with a possible surplus of average-to-above average QBs it may come pretty soon.

I'd favor a QB market correction. I think the NFL has allowed QBs to somewhat monopolize the salary cap at the expense of the rest of the team. They're taking advantage of that so-called Market rate. Truthfully I'm kind of surprised that the players union seems to have no problem with QBs taking an ever increasing piece of the pie at the expense of the other players.

 

[CouchCoach]

Consider the rule changes to favor the offense, mainly the pass game, coupled with more teams customizing their offense to fit their young QB like BAL, CLE, KC have done or LAR and PHL tried to do instead of them acclimating to the NFL game and they get what they have, cap hogs with agents.

Consider this. Romo's deal was for 19M a year just 8 years ago and what is Prescott's tag? Has the cap doubled from 2013?

When they tagged Cousins, that set the new floor and it's been climbing ever since and they do not show the resolve to get this under control because there's always an owner willing to pony up for the QB.

This is what they get trying to change the best team sport into a game of catch except BAL is about to pay in the 40 range for the most run oriented QB since Bobby Douglas.

Cannot blame the agents for pushing this up, they're getting cooperation from the owners.

 

[Future]

Only top tier quarterbacks under 30

Mahomes
(Gap)
Watson
Dak
Murray

everyone else is just a game manager or has inflated stats like Herbet and aren’t destined for greatness

There's a massive gap between Waston and Dak and Murray.

 

[Corso]

Of course. However, the Player's Union represents everyone, not just QB's. At some point, it would seem others at other positions would want a cap on the QB position.

Anything is possible, I guess.

 

[KB1122]

One problem that the league has is that the last generation has held on too long and the younger quarterbacks haven't emerged. There was an entire generation of quarterbacks who fell by the wayside, guys with a lot of star power that could've been helped by changes in attitudes and changes (Griffin, Luck, Manziel, Tebow, Kaepernick). Instead those guys got run out of the league in favor of the traditional Sam Bradfords and Kirk Cousinses checking down to non-glory.

 

[KB1122]

Too many teams have made the mistake of paying their best guy at (insert position here) as though he's elite, which isn't necessarily the same thing.

The QB position is the biggest offender when it comes to this flaw, but it's not alone.

This.

It's not a flaw, exactly. You just have to decide what your goals are. Overpaying for pretty good might help fill seats and get you into a weak playoff position. But it's not going to help you compete for championships consistently.

 

[Haimerej]

I've been saying for years that the QB market was due for a correction.
Greater supply from college of NFL ready QBs, NFL QBs protected more and lasting longer. Still only 32 starters needed. Greater supply, flat demand. Cap% should be going *down*, yet it is skyrocketing.

I'd rather draft more Dak's. Tough running QBs. And run them instead of trying to preserve them forever, only to have to mortgage the team to pay them their free agent contract, when you *can't* run them into the dirt anymore because you have too much invested in them.

It seems like you're giving up on having a true QB. There's a reason why the greatest to ever play the position are pocket guys who can read a defense. It's the same reason most QBs can look good in 7 on 7 drills. Sure, scrambling for a first down when nothing is there is a nice attribute but that's not something you want to rely on.

 

[HungryLion]

It seems like you're giving up on having a true QB. There's a reason why the greatest to ever play the position are pocket guys who can read a defense. It's the same reason most QBs can look good in 7 on 7 drills. Sure, scrambling for a first down when nothing is there is a nice attribute but that's not something you want to rely on.

I don’t want to get into a debate about Dak or his overall ability as a QB. So we won’t discuss how good we think he is or isn’t.

But I think the other poster put Dak in the wrong category anyway.

Dak is a pocket QB, who has the ability to run when needed or the occasional run play.

he isn’t in the same category as a guy like Lamar Jackson for instance. Who uses the run game as a key part of his game.

 

[Creeper]

I think there are plenty of good QBs in the league.

And they are coming out of college at a faster pace too. What happens when all 32 teams have their franchise QB?

 

[Ranched]

Dak is a pocket QB, who has the ability to run when needed or the occasional run play.

Dak becomes more of a pocket passer w/each season.

However, he still retains the coveted ability to escape the pocket & make dynamic plays w/his feet. Furthermore, Dak relishes in keeping plays alive once the pocket breaks down, finding receivers playing the scramble drill.

 

[Haimerej]

I don’t want to get into a debate about Dak or his overall ability as a QB. So we won’t discuss how good we think he is or isn’t.

But I think the other poster put Dak in the wrong category anyway.

Dak is a pocket QB, who has the ability to run when needed or the occasional run play.

he isn’t in the same category as a guy like Lamar Jackson for instance. Who uses the run game as a key part of his game.

I would say Dak is the anti-QB of his example. He wants a guy to, "run into the ground," but QBs take time to develop. Dak had to develop as a pocket passer. While he still has room for improvement, he's still better than he was as a rookie.

But any QB with a desire to stay in the league has to develop in the pocket. There are growing pains during that process and it seems like bbdd's proposal would trap a team in a never ending cycle of said growing pains.

 

[kskboys]

One problem that the league has is that the last generation has held on too long and the younger quarterbacks haven't emerged. There was an entire generation of quarterbacks who fell by the wayside, guys with a lot of star power that could've been helped by changes in attitudes and changes (Griffin, Luck, Manziel, Tebow, Kaepernick). Instead those guys got run out of the league in favor of the traditional Sam Bradfords and Kirk Cousinses checking down to non-glory.

They got run out of the league because they sucked.

 

[DFWJC]

There's a massive gap between Waston and Dak and Murray.

Will be interesting to see how Herbert and Burrow progress.

The latest rating from NFL.com actually had Dak lumped with Mayfield

not sure what to think of Jones in NY, as hes basically had to play his career with his hands tied

Also, not sure the full story is written on Wentz or Goff either...skeptical but havent ruled them out.

Then theres Trevor Lawrence coming in.....

 

[HungryLion]

I would say Dak is the anti-QB of his example. He wants a guy to, "run into the ground," but QBs take time to develop. Dak had to develop as a pocket passer. While he still has room for improvement, he's still better than he was as a rookie.

But any QB with a desire to stay in the league has to develop in the pocket. There are growing pains during that process and it seems like bbdd's proposal would trap a team in a never ending cycle of said growing pains.

Yeah I agree.

I think some people dont recognize that some QB’s continue to grow and improve consistently throughout their career, unless their body fails them.

Tony Romo was playing his best football in 2014. His last healthy season. He was a better QB in 2014 than 2007. Much better.

 

[DFWJC]

One problem that the league has is that the last generation has held on too long and the younger quarterbacks haven't emerged. There was an entire generation of quarterbacks who fell by the wayside, guys with a lot of star power that could've been helped by changes in attitudes and changes (Griffin, Luck, Manziel, Tebow, Kaepernick). Instead those guys got run out of the league in favor of the traditional Sam Bradfords and Kirk Cousinses checking down to non-glory.

Injuries did Luck in.
Nobody ran him out of anywhere.

 

[kskboys]

Injuries did Luck in.
Nobody ran him out if anywhere.

Holy Larry, didn't even notice he grouped Luck in w/ those other bozos. Sorry, Andrew.

 

[Haimerej]

Yeah I agree.

I think some people dont recognize that some QB’s continue to grow and improve consistently throughout their career, unless their body fails them.

Tony Romo was playing his best football in 2014. His last healthy season. He was a better QB in 2014 than 2007. Much better.

Exactly. I remember Tony talking one offseason about how everything had finally clicked (2012?). That's the main reason I advocated for his return during Dak's rookie campaign.

I think this last Super Bowl was a good example of how a decisive QB is more desirable than a scrambling "innovator." While it's fun to see the busted plays that result in big gains, I can't help but feel like a missed read is what drove it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It seems like you're giving up on having a true QB. There's a reason why the greatest to ever play the position are pocket guys who can read a defense. It's the same reason most QBs can look good in 7 on 7 drills. Sure, scrambling for a first down when nothing is there is a nice attribute but that's not something you want to rely on.

The guys who have run in college have shown they can take a hit. That's a good thing. Sometimes you get a running guy, and it turns out he can pass too. That would be Dak, though he still seems limited with reading a defense. Russell Wilson can read a defense. If we hit on a Russell Wilson, great.

The successful young QBs are guys who can run. Draft them and let them run. If they turn into a HOF pocket passer, great. The NFL has not been that successful finding drafting great pocket passers lately.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Exactly. I remember Tony talking one offseason about how everything had finally clicked (2012?). That's the main reason I advocated for his return during Dak's rookie campaign.

I think it was 2013. Figured said he had "figured it out". I wish there were some decent sports journalists out there to go interview Tony on just what he figured out. "I have found the Holy Grail" is a big story.

If Tony really thinks he figured it out, he should hold QB training camps in the spring and put his money where his mouth is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, been saying for awhile, market is going to reset itself at QB. I think we've been seeing it coming but the fan base has not really seen it. They are seeing it now, I suspect.