NFL Rule Changes?

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summerisfunner said:
although not a former NFL player, Jerry Jones voted a yes to the rule
This is one point I know that Jerry and Parcells differ on.
Parcells when asked to comment about the rule said he didn't have anything to say about it.He laughed and said there's nothing we can do about it now.
The rules are what they are and Parcells will toe the company (NFL) line but anyone who knows anything about football realizes what kind of crap this rule really is...maybe the refs know this too.
I did see the rule called but not as much as I thought it would.
However I did see it effect Roy's play at times. There were several times during last season where he could have hung on and stopped a player in his tracks but did not and just held on briefly and the player got a couple of more yards because of that.
That is what I mean...what is a defensive player suppose to do?
You have to be in the tackle box????
Are you kidding me?
Let the players play for crying out loud!:banghead:
 

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J-DOG said:
This is one point I know that Jerry and Parcells differ on.
Parcells when asked to comment about the rule said he didn't have anything to say about it.He laughed and said there's nothing we can do about it now.
The rules are what they are and Parcells will toe the company (NFL) line but anyone who knows anything about football realizes what kind of crap this rule really is...maybe the refs know this too.
I did see the rule called but not as much as I thought it would.
However I did see it effect Roy's play at times. There were several times during last season where he could have hung on and stopped a player in his tracks but did not and just held on briefly and the player got a couple of more yards because of that.
That is what I mean...what is a defensive player suppose to do?
You have to be in the tackle box????
Are you kidding me?
Let the players play for crying out loud!:banghead:
Wasn't this rule put in place because of Roy Williams injuring Terrell Owens by this kind of tackle? Hmmm, I guess you only have your own players to blame, eh?
 

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Wasn't this rule put in place because of Roy Williams injuring Terrell Owens by this kind of tackle? Hmmm, I guess you only have your own players to blame, eh?
Jamal Lewis
Musa Smith-Both Ravens is one game.
Terrell Owens
Tyrone Calico
There's more but those stick out off the top of my head.
Does skin fan want to call out Roy and make fun?
Be my guest...
But don't cry when Roy put's a skin down for the count.
Loose lips sink ships.:nono2:
 

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Jamal Lewis
Musa Smith-Both Ravens is one game.
Terrell Owens
Tyrone Calico
There's more but those stick out off the top of my head.
Does skin fan want to call out Roy and make fun?
Be my guest...
But don't cry when Roy put's a skin down for the count.
Loose lips sink ships.:nono2:

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1) Abolish the "Tuck Rule."

2) Eliminate "sudden death" overtime. Play a full fifteen minutes.I wouldnt do that, you need sudden death, but I would say, play to 30 minutes after full game, and no one wins, its a tie after 30 minutes in overtime.

3) Change the Pass Interference rule to allow for both incidental and flagrant interference. I would be more friendly to pass defenders in coverage, only when it is fully grabbing, etc, then pass interference.

4) I would as new NFL commissioner, make the Refs more responsible for bad calls. At same time, I would form a league of NFL refs, kinda like baseball, I would have them refs start out at high school and college learning, then have them go over to NFL Europe, and ref.

5) The cut blocks and run blocking schemes by the Denver Broncos and 49ers that injure players and their careers I would outlaw. I would fine the team, the coaches for teaching it as well as the players whom do it.

6. I would increase the NFL players roster to 50 players active on NFL teams that play during the regular season, instead of the 43 players that suit up now. To me, as NFL Commissioner, if a team, works to build up their roster with available talent, they souldnt be penalized by other teams that dont have backup talented players.
just my thoughts
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J-DOG said:
Jamal Lewis

Jamal Lewis wasn't hurt by a horse-collar, and he wasn't hurt by Roy. He was hurt when Greg Ellis grabbed him around the waist and landed on Lewis' leg.
 

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No chop or cut blocks
Allow the db's to play bump and run all over the field...no more of this sissy 5 yd crap
No roughing the kicker....they are football players first...take it like a man *for you Hos :D*
Make NFL refs full time employees
 

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I've been preaching about pass interference for years now.

It's ridiculous to have a 50 yard penalty period, let alone a judgement call by an official.

Imagine two teams fighting it out for 58 minutes. Team A and Team B are fighting for home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Team A has the ball on their own 30 yard line. The Quarterback for team A is in the process of getting sacked and heaves a desperation pass that sails 50 yards....both the receiver and the DB are jostling for position...flag is thrown....PI against the defense...50 yard penalty.

Team A kicks a FG to win the game on a judgement call that could go either way.

Is that any way to decide a game?

My next change is something that's just a minor annoyance for me. I would do away with the half the distance penalties. If there's a major facemask at the 14 yard line, I'd penalize as far as you can go.
 

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Bizwah said:
I've been preaching about pass interference for years now.

It's ridiculous to have a 50 yard penalty period, let alone a judgement call by an official.

Imagine two teams fighting it out for 58 minutes. Team A and Team B are fighting for home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Team A has the ball on their own 30 yard line. The Quarterback for team A is in the process of getting sacked and heaves a desperation pass that sails 50 yards....both the receiver and the DB are jostling for position...flag is thrown....PI against the defense...50 yard penalty.

Team A kicks a FG to win the game on a judgement call that could go either way.

Is that any way to decide a game?

My next change is something that's just a minor annoyance for me. I would do away with the half the distance penalties. If there's a major facemask at the 14 yard line, I'd penalize as far as you can go.

I agree, I think pass interference should be like the NCAA, only a 15 yard penalty, and the requisite automatic 1st down
 

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AdamJT13 said:
Jamal Lewis wasn't hurt by a horse-collar, and he wasn't hurt by Roy. He was hurt when Greg Ellis grabbed him around the waist and landed on Lewis' leg.
I thought Roy collared him and landed on his ankle.
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Published: May 27, 2005
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[FONT=Times, Times New Roman]DALLAS, May 26 – Roy Williams was backpedaling as fast as he could. Williams, an All-Pro safety, was not at the Dallas Cowboys' minicamp. He was not even dressed for practice. Williams had just arrived at a stylish function at an upscale Dallas jeweler called Bachendorf's to promote his Roy Williams Foundation, and he was doing his best to distance himself from the National Football League's ban on the horse-collar tackle, a decision that has been christened the Roy Williams rule.

"I play by whatever rules the N.F.L. lays down," Williams said. "If there's a type of tackle that's legal, I'll use it. If it's not legal, I won't. It's as simple as that."

The horse-collar tackle is a technique in which a defensive player brings down a ball carrier by grabbing the back inside of the opposing player's shoulder pads and yanking him to the ground.

N.F.L. owners voted, 27-5, Tuesday to make the maneuver a 15-yard penalty when the tackle is made in the open field. In the event of egregious violations, the league may also impose a fine.

Five franchises - Dallas, Detroit, New England, New Orleans and San Francisco - dissented, citing the difficulty of having officials make such a call. Williams said it was only after Tuesday's vote that he learned it was being called the Roy Williams rule.

In having his name affixed to the decision, Williams joined an elite group of Dallas Cowboys players whose names are ascribed to an assortment of N.F.L. rules and regulations.

There is the Emmitt Smith rule, which makes it illegal for players to take off their helmets while on the field, as Smith was known for doing to celebrate a touchdown; the Deion Sanders rule, which prevents a team from circumventing salary caps by combining a high-signing bonus with a low-base salary; and the Mel Renfro rule, which permits an offensive player to touch the ball after it has touched a teammate without a defensive player's touching it in between.

Many team owners became concerned with the horse-collar tackle earlier this year after it was blamed for causing a higher rate of injury than more traditional tackles. During the 2004 season, several offensive players were sidelined after being horse-collared: Titans wide receiver Tyrone Calico (sprained knees), Ravens running backs Jamal Lewis (sprained ankle) and Musa Smith (compound fracture of the right tibia), and Eagles receiver Terrell Owens (fractured right fibula and torn ligaments). All were brought down by Williams.

But the horse-collar tackle has been used by many N.F.L. players, and all of them applied it legally. Those four tackles by Williams, though bruising, comprised a miniscule percentage of his 94 total tackles during the 2004 season.

Throughout his three-year career with the Cowboys, Williams has tried to steer clear of the reputation that hard-hitting defensive backs like Fred Williamson of the Kansas City Chiefs, who was known as the Hammer, and Jack Tatum of the Oakland Raiders purposely cultivated.

Instead, Williams has developed into one of the league's premier defensive backs while maintaining a low profile. The eighth overall pick in the 2002 draft, he has been a starter at safety for the Cowboys since his first day in training camp.

C. Don Bradley, who recruited Williams to play at Oklahoma and now runs his foundation, said, "As a friend of Roy, someone who's watched him grow up from a quiet kid to a campus leader at O.U. and a standout in the N.F.L., I can tell you one thing: this is the last thing Roy wants to be known for, a rule about an illegal play that's attached to him[/FONT]
 

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summerisfunner said:
I agree, I think pass interference should be like the NCAA, only a 15 yard penalty, and the requisite automatic 1st down

I actually agree with the original poster.

Have two levels of PI.

A flagarant, spot foul version.....otherwise teams would just tackle Randy Moss or Terrell Owens on deep passes.

and an incidental version...that's the one that would be a 15 yard penalty or automatic first down.
 

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Bizwah said:
and an incidental version...that's the one that would be a 15 yard penalty or automatic first down.

nah, there's a reason it's called "incidental" contact, no matter how hard you train your body, sometimes you just can't stop yourself from tripping over yourself, or getting your feet tangled up w/ the WR or CB
 

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summerisfunner said:
nah, there's a reason it's called "incidental" contact, no matter how hard you train your body, sometimes you just can't stop yourself from tripping over yourself, or getting your feet tangled up w/ the WR or CB

Well, I worded this poorly.....

I didn't mean incidental contact....

I just meant a "normal, run of the mill" PI would be 15 yards, auto first down.

I would have a flagarant PI be a spot foul.

If you only made the PI penalty be a 15 yard penalty, you'd have defenders mug Randy Moss on every deep pass.....So, I think you'd have to have some sort of stiff penalty on flagarant PIs.
 

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Bizwah said:
Well, I worded this poorly.....

I didn't mean incidental contact....

I just meant a "normal, run of the mill" PI would be 15 yards, auto first down.

I would have a flagarant PI be a spot foul.

If you only made the PI penalty be a 15 yard penalty, you'd have defenders mug Randy Moss on every deep pass.....So, I think you'd have to have some sort of stiff penalty on flagarant PIs.

ahhhhhh, gotcha, and yes, totally agree
 

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JohnLockesGhost said:
Another thing that's always bugged me is how ball carriers can stiff-arm to the facemask. If you're going to call illegal hands to the face on linemen, call it on ball carriers as well. I've seen ball carriers literally "grab" a DB by the facemask and it's NEVER penalized. Bugs the hell out of me.
i always ask my friends when i see that if it was illegal hands to the face...so annoying
 
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