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This take on Ware, and Ratliff, should make for some interesting debate...

http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/05/nfl-top-10-most-valuable-dallas-cowboys.html

Continuing with the motif of trying to get equal coverage to all 32 teams here at NFL Outsider, it feels a little weird to point out that the Cowboys have been getting ignored of late, but I have had plenty to say about the Giants, the Eagles, and the Commanders in this space, and haven't really mentioned the ugly stepsister of the NFC East (since when is Dallas "east" of anything?).

But, hey, that's just my bias speaking. In actuality, the Cowboys might be a step behind the other three teams in the NFC East right now, but they would be good enough to win any of the other NFC divisions. So clearly, the talent is still here on this team. But how is it distributed? NFL Top 10 takes a cursory look at the Dallas Cowboys roster, right now.

10. LB Bradie James
James could be described as a consistent performer and a team leader, and he has accomplished as much without any help from a revolving door at the other ILB in the Cowboys' 3-4 defense. He's a tackling machine who gets overshadowed because other teams in the division have fantastic middle linebackers, but James plays at a near pro bowl level year in and year out.

9. WR Miles Austin
The one player that the Cowboys need to rely on to break out this year and help his offense. It's not smart money to suggest that Roy Williams is suddenly going to become the No. 1 receiver he has never been, he's simply not that kind of dependable. However, Austin's emergence could set the stage for a successful career in Dallas for Williams. This tandem will either succeed together, or fail together.

8. RB Felix Jones
Jones' injury was a crushing blow to the Cowboys last year, as he entered the midseason point as one of Tony Romo's most valuable receivers, out of the backfield none-the-less. Jones is good enough to be, prospectively, the lead dog in the Cowboys' rushing attack this year. The more touches he gets, the more big plays the team will make.

7. G Leonard Davis
Davis was signed to be the centerpiece of the Cowboys line in 2007, and after two years wearing the Star, he has lived up to his contract value. Following two pro bowl appearances, Davis is going to be relied on to have another big-time season because the Cowboys gave their poor offensive line no reinforcements in the draft. Uh-oh.

6. CB Terence Newman
If not for a sports hernia suffered early last year, we'd be talking about Newman's place among the shutdown corner's in the game. The guy is one of the ten best corners in football, and despite being a pro bowler, doesn't always get credit for his work. There are better cover guys in the conference than Newman, but the Cowboys extended him before last year for one big reason -- they need him. Without him, the Cowboys sport one of the thinnest defensive backfields in the NFL.

5. RB Marion Barber
Football's version of a closer, Barber just happens to be big-time in the other three quarters as well. He's still a better pure runner than Felix Jones, is an asset in the passing game, and loves to hit linebackers who come on the blitz. There's nothing not to like about Barber's game, except to point out that 2008 was a regression for him from his 2006 and 2007 seasons.

4. LB DeMarcus Ware
Ware led the league's in sacks last year. In doing so, he's built up a reputation for being more valuable than he actually is: he's a great player who likely will not enjoy a hall of fame career, but should find his way to 5 or 6 pro bowls. Ware has major weaknesses against the run, but you have to have him on the field for almost all defensive snaps simply because of the type of havoc he can wreck in opponent's backfields.

3. QB Tony Romo
If I told you a QB had never posted a passer rating under 91.0 in three years as a starter, would you tell me that we're dealing with a mental midget? Didn't think so. Romo slipped behind Drew Brees in the race for NFC's best passer last year, and fans were really hoping that he'd have the type of season that Kurt Warner DID have last year, but Romo missed three games with a broken finger, and the rest never materialized. Let's not ignore how good of a player Romo is. He's 29, so this is as good as he'll ever be, but if he plays until age 37 at this level, we're talking about a hall of fame type player. Not a player who "can't."

2. NT Jay Ratliff
Among league insiders, it seems to be widely accepted that the most valuable player on the Cowboys defense is not Ware, but former undrafted NT Jay Ratliff. For Ratliff, the big breakthrough came when he moved from 3-4 end to 3-4 nose. He doesn't look the part of a traditional nose, size-wise, but Ratliff gets sacks from that position. And if your nose tackle is making plays--Ratliff is excellent against the run as well--then you always have a shot at a top defense. Ratliff was THE major player in the Cowboys' second half resurgence last season.

1. TE Jason Witten
Witten is the best tight end in football. He blocks well enough, but his real value is in an intermediate receiving target, because he's as much responsible for Romo's success as Tony himself is. He also makes plays down the field with the ball in his hands. Where Witten really earns his keep though is in his versatility. He's become the new Tony Gonzalez, because he doesn't have to be right next to the offensive tackle to be a match-up nightmare. Safeties cannot cover him, which means nickel packages are necessary to match up with the base Cowboys offense. How awesome is that?
 

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I think he's on the money aside from Ware, who I believe is better at the run game than this guy gives him credit for...much better, in fact barring injury, he's definitely HOF bound.
 

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Primetime42;2784524 said:
I think he's on the money aside from Ware, who I believe is better at the run game than this guy gives him credit for...much better, in fact barring injury, he's definitely HOF bound.

I don't have much problem with the list. I'd have Felix Jones higher.

I thought it was interesting that he claims 'league insiders' think Ratliff is more valuable than Ware. The notion that Ware can't play the run is preposterous. He covers and plays the run nearly as well as he rushes the passer. I agree he's a HoF shoe-in if he's consistent and has a long career.
 

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The list was flawed as soon as Tony Romo was ranked below any receiver. Jason Witten can only display his receiving skills after Romo delivers him the ball. Perhaps Romo shouldn't be listed as number one, but he doesn't back up Witten in level of importance to the offense and/or team success.
 

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DallasEast;2784553 said:
The list was flawed as soon as Tony Romo was ranked below any receiver. Jason Witten can only display his receiving skills after Romo delivers him the ball. Perhaps Romo shouldn't be listed as number one, but he doesn't back up Witten in level of importance to the offense and/or team success.

I am not disagreeing with the fact that you believe Romo is better / more important than Jason Witten, however, I do disagree with your reasoning. You are essentially saying that no receiver can be better than the QB because they can't get the ball without it being thrown to them. All in all it is arguable as to who is the better player between Romo and Witten, just consider me more than pleased that we have both of them.
 

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DC.com is doing their own "Top 50 of All Time" list. Romo barely snuck in at #49.
 

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bbgun;2784562 said:
DC.com is doing their own "Top 50 of All Time" list. Romo barely snuck in at #49.
It's only been 3 season.

Come back to me with that list in 2018
 

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If teams had to do it all over again, where in the first would Witten be drafted? I'm thinking top 5. Just like Larry Allen would have been the first pick overall if teams had known. John Madden even said that.
 

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Idgit;2784520 said:
Ware has major weaknesses against the run

What is he basing this on? It certainly doesn't look this way to me. Also, when I look at the data from Football Outisders, I see that the Cowboys defense was 3rd in the league against runs to Ware's side of the field. Obviously that's not all Ware, but it certainly suggests he's not a liability.
 

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DallasEast;2784553 said:
The list was flawed as soon as Tony Romo was ranked below any receiver. Jason Witten can only display his receiving skills after Romo delivers him the ball. Perhaps Romo shouldn't be listed as number one, but he doesn't back up Witten in level of importance to the offense and/or team success.

I guess that makes the Center the best and most important player on offense. Or is it the Kicker. You can't play any game without a kickoff.
 

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jimnabby;2784597 said:
What is he basing this on? It certainly doesn't look this way to me. Also, when I look at the data from Football Outisders, I see that the Cowboys defense was 3rd in the league against runs to Ware's side of the field. Obviously that's not all Ware, but it certainly suggests he's not a liability.
Apparently basing it on nothing. Just another uninformed individual spewing off at the mouth.
 

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jobberone;2784601 said:
I guess that makes the Center the best and most important player on offense. Or is it the Kicker. You can't play any game without a kickoff.
haha. You slay me. I am rueing this day. :D
 

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I really hope Miles Austin is the 9th best cowboy this year, but i have no idea how he could be the 9th best already. Also, Ware is the best defensive player in football and the best cowboy. I'd have Witten 2nd.
 

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How can you say or not say Ware will have a Hall of Fame career? He could very easily break the sack record if Spencer improves. He's the best linebacker in the game and certainly more dominant than Tony Romo. He should be #3 on the list. Ratliff deserves the second spot. I just had a great feeling about him when he was drafted for some reason and I was right.
 

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This guy thinks DeMarcus Ware isn't a future Hall of Famer. :lmao:


This guy thinks there are better "cover corners" in the NFC than Terence Newman?:lmao:

Terence Newman has been the best slot CB in the NFL since 2005. He's as pure a cover CB as you will find in the NFL. He has to defend the entire field. I can't wait for the match up with Steve Smith in week three. Newman is going to put that blanket on him for the third time. Terence Newman is an elite player. You guys can take anyone, and I'll take Newman. Then we'll play.

I'll take that bet that the Cowboys are "thin" in the secondary.

Newman
Jenkins
Scandrick

Let's play. Name the place.

At least the writer gave Terence Newman some credit, but I don't think he still gets how good Newman really is. Newman has been the guy that other teams don't even throw the ball at over the years. When you put him on the best guy, you put immense pressure on the other team's offense, and that forces them to throw his way some. Under Phillips, Newman is getting more INT opportunities. Newman picked off 4 passes in the last 7 games when he was put on the other team's best guy.

Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick allowed Phillips to sick Newman on the other team's most dangerous WR. Was that Mike Jenkins who held Plaxico Buress to 3-34-0, while taking him all over the field, at the Meadowlands last year? Perhaps, Al Harris might want to watch that tape.



Felix Jones only caught 2 passes last year. They didn't use him.

I agree with the take on Felix Jones, though. His injury was "crushing".

"The more touches he gets, the more big plays the team will make".

Bingo! We have a winner.

Paging Nick Eatman... Paging Nick Eatman... You don't take carries away from a running back who averaged 8.9 YPC and tallied 56% of Tashard Choice's rushing yardage on only 1/3 of Choice's carries. Feed Felix the rock.



If my guy Felix Jones is healthy, there will not be a debate about his carries.


If Roy Williams was in Tennessee or some where else (New York, Philadelphia, or Washington), they would be talking about how he is a threat to return to his 2006-early-to-mid 2007 form.

I like his take on Bradie James. He's underrated by some Dallas fans.

Felix Jones is going to be Marion Barber's best friend. He's the perfect complement to Marion Barber. I look for Barber's carries to get back to his 2007 level of 13 per game (average) or in that range. Barber is a pure power back between the tackles, and he can break into the secondary, too. Felix can dust you inside or outside. You don't want to hammer Felix like a jack hammer, and you don't have to do so. Marion Barber is the hammer. They are two different types of backs and both are capable of carrying the load. The great news is this. They won't have to carry it alone. They can share the load. It's a win/win for both players.

At least, this guy sees that Marion Barber shouldn't be kicked out the door for Tashard Choice.

Al Micheals said it best: (After Barber's 28-142 game at Green Bay.)

"Marion Barber is a stud".


This was an interesting and good article. I'll be back.

O.k....

Calling DeMarcus Ware "weak" against the run is "weak". He needs to watch him play the run. Teams don't run on DeMarcus Ware. That is ridiculous. Was he watching # 98? Was he watching? Teams try to run away from Ware, but he chases them down from the backside ridiculously fast. Ware is slashing way down the line to stop those running plays. Ware has speed and strength (power) and quickness and agility. If coaches had a machine to calibrate defensive players, they would make DeMarcus Ware.

DeMarcus Ware may very well be the best player in the NFL. Defensive guys don't get that distinction. Ware is definately the best defensive player in the NFL, imo. He is a complete player. DeMarcus Ware is an elite player.

Jason Witten is the best TE in football, a future Hall of Famer, imo. However, Romo is the guy throwing the football to him. Romo can put the ball in very tiny openings. You can't diminsh Romo's ability. It takes two. Drew Bledsoe didn't throw the ball to Witten. Romo throws it to him and threads the needle, too. Romo has a strong and very accurate arm. His ability to extend the play helps everyone on the offense (see Romo's lazer bomb to Witten at NY and at Washington' at the end of the games; 2006). Both games should have been won by those two lazers by Tony Romo and the great catches and good separation by Witten.

Jay Ratliff is starting to make his mark on the NFL. He's a dominate player on the inside. I see more Pro Bowls coming his way. He has the talent and motor to back up that statement.

Tony Romo has only played for 2 1/2 years. How dare he not win the Super Bowl, yet! This is Dallas. LOL.

When the team puts all three phases together at the same time, you may get your Super Bowl.

If Romo stays healthy, he could play a long time. That means you have to protect him.
 

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This all depends on how you define "Top 10". If you are talking about the best players at their respective positions, then you would have Ware as a #1. If you are talking about their value for the Cowboys, then Romo is clearly the most valuable player.

Assuming we are talking about the best player, not the most valuable, this is how it should look:

1. Ware
2. Witten
3. Romo
4. Davis
5. Raitliff
6. Newman
7. F. Jones
8. Bradie James
9. Flo
10. R. Williams

Austin is not a top 10 player in Dallas. That is a joke. I agree he has tons of potential, and could have a breakout season, but top 10? Some will disagree with Flo at 9, but when healthy, he's been a probowler and a top 5 LT in the league.
 

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Ill take Derek Ross, Dwayne Goodrich, Pete Hunter, and Mario Edwards - Let's play! Anytime, any place.....










how soon some of us forget what our secondary used to look like...good post buddy, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
 

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Idgit;2784520 said:
In actuality, the Cowboys might be a step behind the other three teams in the NFC East right now
That is going to be something he will never convince me of.
 
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