NFL will proceed cautiously on Vick

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The most telling 23 words regarding Michael Vick's immediate future as a football player came late in the NFL's statement about the alleged heinous, dastardly and despicable acts that led to charges being filed against the former savior of the Atlanta Falcons.

Michael Vick's guilt has not yet been proven, and we believe that all concerned should allow the legal process to determine the facts.

With that, rookie commissioner Roger Goodell sent a strong message: This is not going to be the Duke lacrosse case. The NFL is not going to preemptively strike against a player with a relatively clean slate, as Vick has. And to those who want Goodell to take Vick off the field for 2007, such as the Humane Society of United States, the league is in full agreement that the allegations are grievous ones. But Vick hasn't had 10 run-ins with the law, like Pacman Jones. He hasn't been arrested as many times as Chris Henry. So Goodell is not going to ban him from the game.

Not now, at least, from all appearances.

But make no mistake about this: Goodell will act swiftly and severely if Vick is found guilty on any of the charges. Not just because of the cruel and cowardly acts Vick is alleged to have been part and parcel to at the dogfighting compound in Virginia. But also because if the allegations are true, Goodell will feel used by Vick in a big way. In April, at the NFL Draft, with stories swirling that Vick's property had been used for dogfights, Vick told Goodell he had nothing to do with it and was rarely at the home in question.

I believe if Vick is found guilty, there will be tremendous pressure on the Feds and the judge to send him to jail and not just put him on probation. And I also believe that if he goes to jail, when Vick gets out, Goodell will be under similar pressure to suspend him for a year or longer. One of the most disturbing aspects of the indictment is it alleges Vick was involved in the dogfighting ring for six years. This was not just an occasional lark according to investigators. This was Vick's off-field sport. This was his poker, his billiards, his pickup basketball.

It's outrageous. Any normal human being -- dog owner or not -- has to ask what kind of person could execute dogs, or pit them against each other, or punish them in such tortuous ways?

The league seems ready to take a deep breath, take the picketing and the angry columns and the righteous indignation for now. But the hammer will be heavy if Vick is found guilty of even a portion of the alleged charges.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/07/18/vick.league/index.html?bcnn=yes
 

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I think the NFL has to hold off on action - after all there is a presumption of innocence in our legal system, and Vick hasn't had his day in court. The NFL could face it's own legal problems if it starts convicting people on it's own and depriving them of their livlihood without due process.
 

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As has been pointed out, the NFL can suspend Vick if in their opinion he brings the league into disrepute. Goodell right now has to be thinking Vick flat out lied to him. Vick said he had NOTHING to do with dog fighting at all. Looks like a lie to me.
 

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To this point the NFL has focused on repeat offenders. Vick hasn't fallen into that category yet even though there were stirrings about his conduct that prompted the Falcons to act last year.

Watch for the pressure to be put on his endorsement deal companies and once they start dropping the ball will be rolling.
 

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Hostile;1554482 said:
To this point the NFL has focused on repeat offenders. Vick hasn't fallen into that category yet even though there were stirrings about his conduct that prompted the Falcons to act last year.

Watch for the pressure to be put on his endorsement deal companies and once they start dropping the ball will be rolling.

One already did, awhile ago.

AirTran or something like that.
 

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Hostile;1554482 said:
To this point the NFL has focused on repeat offenders. Vick hasn't fallen into that category yet even though there were stirrings about his conduct that prompted the Falcons to act last year.

Watch for the pressure to be put on his endorsement deal companies and once they start dropping the ball will be rolling.

True and this is what Mort was saying last night from what he was hearing from the league office. Repeat offenders were not going to get any benefit of the doubt. In Vick case he has not been a repeat offender and will allow this to play out. I also have heard this could be months before this goes to trial so there is a good chance Vick will start the season.
 

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I honestly can't see how the Falcons can put the guy on the field ever again, conviction or not.

I think the Court of Public Opinion has already rendered their verdict and even if he 'gets off' nobody will want anything to do with him.
 

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stasheroo;1554490 said:
I honestly can't see how the Falcons can put the guy on the field ever again, conviction or not.

I think the Court of Public Opinion has already rendered their verdict and even if he 'gets off' nobody will want anything to do with him.

They don't have a lot of options at this stage. I think ESPN was right when one of the reporters had said because they have few options and have spent a boat load of money on Vick they are pretty much going to stick this out with Vick until the end. Certainly things can change between now and the start of the season should more damning evidence come out
 

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Doomsday101;1554496 said:
They don't have a lot of options at this stage. I think ESPN was right when one of the reporters had said because they have few options and have spent a boat load of money on Vick they are pretty much going to stick this out with Vick until the end. Certainly things can change between now and the start of the season should more damning evidence come out

I don't know how things can get much worse.

I have seen it written where it is financially possible for the Falcons to survive cutting him outright.

And that's what I think public outcry will force them to do.

I don't see how an NFL franchise could deal with their starting QB being under federal indictment and protests at every game.

The Bears didn't wait for Tank's test results, I wonder if the Falcons won't wait for Vick's results either.
 

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Doomsday101;1554496 said:
They don't have a lot of options at this stage. I think ESPN was right when one of the reporters had said because they have few options and have spent a boat load of money on Vick they are pretty much going to stick this out with Vick until the end. Certainly things can change between now and the start of the season should more damning evidence come out
Even if he plays, there will be so much of distraction, they will suck bad, and because of that, I think they would be better off losing without him, just gotta suck it up until they get a decent QB.

Without a doubt, Falcons are in a very difficult situation, thanks to Vick.
 

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stasheroo;1554504 said:
I don't know how things can get much worse.

I have seen it written where it is financially possible for the Falcons to survive cutting him outright.

And that's what I think public outcry will force them to do.

I don't see how an NFL franchise could deal with their starting QB being under federal indictment and protests at every game.

The Bears didn't wait for Tank's test results, I wonder if the Falcons won't wait for Vick's results either.

I stopped saying how can things get worse because in the past every time I said that things got worse. :laugh1: Seriously I do think Blank has been put into a nightmare situation, he has traded a good QB and now his star QB is in deep trouble and as you said fan reaction could be very harsh. I would not blame him if he tried to cut ties with Vick and just suffer through the season but at least for now he is hanging with Vick.
 

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03EBZ06;1554506 said:
Even if he plays, there will be so much of distraction, they will suck bad, and because of that, I think they would be better off losing without him, just gotta suck it up until they get a decent QB.

Without a doubt, Falcons are in a very difficult situation, thanks to Vick.

I agree with you this is going to be a nightmare season for Alt.
 

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At the time of the Vick trade, Vick was expected to be the starting QB with none of this looming overhead.

They traded Schaub because he was going to be an UFA at the end of the year and wanted to get something for him before they lose him for nothing.

Schaub wasn't going to beat Vick out. Schaub hasn't proven to be anything more than an NFL backup QB at this point. Vick was the franchise player, their starter.

It was easy to see who had to go.

I don't blame them for doing so.
 

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burmafrd;1554480 said:
As has been pointed out, the NFL can suspend Vick if in their opinion he brings the league into disrepute. Goodell right now has to be thinking Vick flat out lied to him. Vick said he had NOTHING to do with dog fighting at all. Looks like a lie to me.

I think if Vick eventually gets any type of suspension that they will indeed say that it is partly because it brings the league into disrepute. No question about that. It will go along with some other things. There is just not going to be a rush to suspend him. They will wait. Partly because he is innocent until proven guilty, but partly because it is the extent of his guilt that will give them something substantial with which to punish him.

At this point, I think he gets a minimum of 4 games. That is just knowing what I know based on a best case from here. Yes, I assume he will be found guilty of something. If he gets the book thrown at him from the courts who cares what the NFL does to him. He will not be playing because he will be in jail.
 

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Doomsday101;1554510 said:
I agree with you this is going to be a nightmare season for Alt.

Why? They still have Mike Zimmer.



No, I am and never was a member of GROZ.
 

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joseephuss;1554666 said:
Why? They still have Mike Zimmer.



No, I am and never was a member of GROZ.

:laugh2: I'm not GROZ member either and really hope things workout for Zimmer. The guy I do feel sorry for is Bobby Petrino. He built a good program at Louisville only to walk into this mess.
 

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stasheroo;1554490 said:
I honestly can't see how the Falcons can put the guy on the field ever again, conviction or not.

I think the Court of Public Opinion has already rendered their verdict and even if he 'gets off' nobody will want anything to do with him.


I'll give you 2 reasons:

1. The Falcons have no chance of winning more than a few football games without him, and the team still has to win to make money.

2. He is innocent until proven guilty according to the laws of the land, and a wrongful dismissal suit could be the result of letting him go.
 

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Vick is a thug. But this underlies a deeper problem of how violence penetrates our society and is widely accepted (whether its against other people or animals). My question is anyone going to call out Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels now? Both of them seemed to think dogfighting was perfectly acceptable and Samuels seemed to get a big kick out of the entire thing.
 

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Stautner;1554680 said:
2. He is innocent until proven guilty according to the laws of the land, and a wrongful dismissal suit could be the result of letting him go.

nope. it's built in the CBA that teams can cut a player for any reason that brings disrepute on the franchise
 
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