NFL will proceed cautiously on Vick

[CoCo]

No, I am and never was a member of GROZ.

 

[Doomsday101]

Vick is a thug. But this underlies a deeper problem of how violence penetrates our society and is widely accepted (whether its against other people or animals). My question is anyone going to call out Clinton Portis and Chris Samuels now? Both of them seemed to think dogfighting was perfectly acceptable and Samuels seemed to get a big kick out of the entire thing.

They were called out and caught so much flack that they apologized for the statement. I'm sure they still feel the same way but you can't punish people for how they feel.

 

[Stautner]

nope. it's built in the CBA that teams can cut a player for any reason that brings disrepute on the franchise

But if he did nothing then he did nothing to bring disrepute .... right?

By your take on the CBA ANYONE could accuse ANY player of ANYTHING, and the team could dismiss the player even if the allegations were completely baseless.

 

[03EBZ06]

By your take on the CBA ANYONE could accuse ANY player of ANYTHING, and the team could dismiss the player even if the allegations were completely baseless.

Of course not. Gooddell and his lawyers will have enough of information/evidence to punish a player if warranted.

 

[jwhardin]

on atl news, they're saying it's about 50 - 50 on vick and the org. will want distance from vick and he could be a distraction at TC.

 

[03EBZ06]

will want distance from vick and he could be a distraction at TC.

Understatement of the year. It was be a major distraction, a circus, if you will.

 

[Doomsday101]

But if he did nothing then he did nothing to bring disrepute .... right?

By your take on the CBA ANYONE could accuse ANY player of ANYTHING, and the team could dismiss the player even if the allegations were completely baseless.

Being arrested is enough reason for the NFL to suspend a player. Vick has been indicted and will either turn himself in or a warrant will be issued. The NFL does not need to meet the same standards of a criminal court

 

[Vintage]

I feel bad for Petrino. He had an offense in mind to build around Vick's talents....did so....and now this.

He wont win many games this year.

 

[Stautner]

Of course not. Gooddell and his lawyers will have enough of information/evidence to punish a player if warranted.

You completely missed the entire conversation except the one quote didn't you .......?

Let me recap ........ we were discussing a lawsuit occuring if Vick were supsended and then it turned out there wasn't enough evidence against him and the charges were dismissed, so this comment is irrelevent.

 

[Stash]

I'll refer to the Bears not waiting for Tank's test results before cutting him.

The team had decided 'enough is enough' and made the decision to move on.

This is of course a bigger offense with much bigger ramifications (both legally and financially).

But I expect Blank and the Falcons to decide 'enough is enough' in this case as well.

 

[03EBZ06]

You completely missed the entire conversation except the one quote didn't you .......?

Let me recap ........ we were discussing a lawsuit occuring if Vick were supsended and then it turned out there wasn't enough evidence against him and the charges were dismissed, so this comment is irrelevent.

No I didn't I read posts but I responded to that portion of comment only, so yes, it was relevent.

But go ahead and continue to argue over hypothetical situation.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But if he did nothing then he did nothing to bring disrepute .... right?

By your take on the CBA ANYONE could accuse ANY player of ANYTHING, and the team could dismiss the player even if the allegations were completely baseless.

Tank Johnson wasn't driving under the influence, he was below the legal limit, yet the Bears cut him for that

again, the CBA doesn't require that the league or teams work in conjuction w/ the legal system, a criminal charge, just the charge, is sufficient for a team to cut a player under the CBA

btw, this indictment isn't totally w/o base, of course VIck hasn't been convicted of anything, but there is some forms of evidence

 

[joseephuss]

mY english and Grammer gets gooder every day

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

As has been pointed out, the NFL can suspend Vick if in their opinion he brings the league into disrepute. Goodell right now has to be thinking Vick flat out lied to him. Vick said he had NOTHING to do with dog fighting at all. Looks like a lie to me.

Why because some prosecutor trying to make a name for himself says he was involved?

In the end, he hasn't been found guilty of anything so until he is, there is no proof he lied to Goodell.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why because some prosecutor trying to make a name for himself says he was involved?

In the end, he hasn't been found guilty of anything so until he is, there is no proof he lied to Goodell.

you still haven't recognized that this isn't just some state or county's DA? that this is a federal prosecutor?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Tank Johnson wasn't driving under the influence, he was below the legal limit, yet the Bears cut him for that

again, the CBA doesn't require that the league or teams work in conjuction w/ the legal system, a criminal charge, just the charge, is sufficient for a team to cut a player under the CBA

btw, this indictment isn't totally w/o base, of course VIck hasn't been convicted of anything, but there is some forms of evidence

Yeah but the Tank had been convicted of guns charges so it isn't like it was a first offence for him.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

you still haven't recognized that this isn't just some state or county's DA? that this is a federal prosecutor?

how does that make it any different?

 

[joseephuss]

Why because some prosecutor trying to make a name for himself says he was involved?

In the end, he hasn't been found guilty of anything so until he is, there is no proof he lied to Goodell.

Did he meet with Goodell? I don't recall hearing about that.

No, he hasn't been found guilty of anything, but it does not look good. You don't get to this point by accident. One of the reasons federal prosecutors have such a good record of prosecution is that they take care in which cases they pursue.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah but the Tank had been convicted of guns charges so it isn't like it was a first offence for him.

but he wasn't cut for his prior offenses, just his last, near, offense

how does that make it any different?

because he's not really gaining anything by a conviction, and isn't facing the motivation to gain one that state and county prosecutors are

 

[Stash]

how does that make it any different?

You're claiming someone's trying to make a name for himself.

Who would that be?