NFLN: Players Roundtable: Pressure in Big D *Merge*

[TNCowboy]

I wont even watch it. I used to enjoy nfl network stuff, Now I dislike the station as much as espn.

Marshall faulk and deion sanders using race as a reason for stewart getting fired and garrett not getting fired was the final straw for me.

They are both goofs who at one point both wanted to go be HEAD coaches of their former teams. Complete tools both of them.

Throw in jaimie dukes and warren sapp and there is zero reason to watch the station.

I still like sharpe and baldinger but I am not sitting through all that garbage to watch any of their segments.

+1....

 

[TNCowboy]

You know, I have to laugh when people get upset over things these guys say.

1. They have insight only to a degree that they have played the game and studied it. Some of what they say is conjecture.

2. The idea that some teams have faired well without a Super Star WR is true. But if you look at the EXACT circumstances here, we are entering a year when we are replacing both the #1 and #2 Wr with unknowns.

Neither of these guys scares the defense at this point.

Who should be scared is the fan who lives and dies over this team.

Unfortunately most fans are making excuses for the team before they see the product.

But Warren Sapp said something a couple of months ago that is the truth.

Going into the game with Dallas, what WR makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him?

The dynamics for Witten will surely change because TO is not here. Regardless if you believe it or not.

As it stands on the 28th of May 2009 this team does not have a threat at WR who is a playmaker.

That might change.

But ya know....it also might not. And that scares the crapola out of me.

First of all, nothing concerning the Dallas Cowboys should scare the crapola or anything else out of you.

NE won 3 SBs relying on WRs like David Givens, David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch. Until NE got Randy Moss, they didn't have that WR that "makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him", and they won 3 SBs with guys like that. If the rest of the team is good, then the WRs just need to be functional. Personally, I much prefer my team build from the inside out, OL and QB first (not that Dallas has done that either).

IMO, what will eventually make the '09 season less than glorious will be the OL. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe they'll be anything less than inconsistent and mediocre, as they were last season.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

First of all, nothing concerning the Dallas Cowboys should scare the crapola or anything else out of you.

NE won 3 SBs relying on WRs like David Givens, David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch. Until NE got Randy Moss, they didn't have that WR that "makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him", and they won 3 SBs with guys like that. If the rest of the team is good, then the WRs just need to be functional. Personally, I much prefer my team build from the inside out, OL and QB first (not that Dallas has done that either).

IMO, what will eventually make the '09 season less than glorious will be the OL. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe they'll be anything less than inconsistent and mediocre, as they were last season.

We tried the whole drafting OL thing. Somehow the great walking piece o'crap that is 34-32 only got one draft pick out of 6 tries to stick on the team. If McQuistan is cut, then every single offensive lineman we drafted during the "super talent evaluator" tenure will have missed completely.

When you look at our very expensive offensive line, look no further than Billy's ineptitude on draft day. * him and the horse he rode in on.:bang2:

 

[jobberone]

Meh, who cares? As Hos says, "embrace the hatred". :starspin

Beat me to it.

First of all, nothing concerning the Dallas Cowboys should scare the crapola or anything else out of you.

NE won 3 SBs relying on WRs like David Givens, David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch. Until NE got Randy Moss, they didn't have that WR that "makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him", and they won 3 SBs with guys like that. If the rest of the team is good, then the WRs just need to be functional. Personally, I much prefer my team build from the inside out, OL and QB first (not that Dallas has done that either).

IMO, what will eventually make the '09 season less than glorious will be the OL. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe they'll be anything less than inconsistent and mediocre, as they were last season.

I agree with you except the very last. There is no reason to not expect us to compete for a playoff spot and perhaps a bye. My only reservation is having to face the East 6 times. But you're right. We'll go as our OL goes for the most part.

 

[TwoDeep3]

First of all, nothing concerning the Dallas Cowboys should scare the crapola or anything else out of you.

NE won 3 SBs relying on WRs like David Givens, David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch. Until NE got Randy Moss, they didn't have that WR that "makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him", and they won 3 SBs with guys like that. If the rest of the team is good, then the WRs just need to be functional. Personally, I much prefer my team build from the inside out, OL and QB first (not that Dallas has done that either).

IMO, what will eventually make the '09 season less than glorious will be the OL. I've seen nothing that leads me to believe they'll be anything less than inconsistent and mediocre, as they were last season.

Common mistake thinking one teams results mean a dang thing about our results.

Plus Deon Branch is not a bad receiver and surely better than Austin or perhaps Williams.

But even having a great OL still can be negated by a WR corps who can't get separation.

And that's where the rubber meets the road. We have no cloue what this team brings.

 

[burmafrd]

man salt really hates BP. BUT as usual with a hater he ignores the reality that BP rebuilt the team and the organization into a WINNING organization and team from the 5-11 they were. Yeah he blew some picks on the O line- no one is perfect. BUT he also convinced Jerruh to resign the Hotel right after he became coach, he also was the ONLY one that wanted to give Gurode one last chance at center, and he was the ONLY one that saw Colombo as a real possibility. Oh and by the way he is also the one that wanted Kosier.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Common mistake thinking one teams results mean a dang thing about our results.

Plus Deon Branch is not a bad receiver and surely better than Austin or perhaps Williams.

But even having a great OL still can be negated by a WR corps who can't get separation.

And that's where the rubber meets the road. We have no cloue what this team brings.

Exactly right.

The homers can but & spudder about how "great" parts of the team looks on paper, but what doesn't look great is the WR corp.

Until Austin or Hurd or someone goes out there and say puts up 50 catches and 6 TD's there are going to be questions.

And which Roy Williams will we get? Hmm.

No one knows at this point.

This team could go 12-4 or it could be a .500 club. I wouldn't be shocked with either scenario.

 

[theebs]

You know, I have to laugh when people get upset over things these guys say.

1. They have insight only to a degree that they have played the game and studied it. Some of what they say is conjecture.

2. The idea that some teams have faired well without a Super Star WR is true. But if you look at the EXACT circumstances here, we are entering a year when we are replacing both the #1 and #2 Wr with unknowns.

Neither of these guys scares the defense at this point.

Who should be scared is the fan who lives and dies over this team.

Unfortunately most fans are making excuses for the team before they see the product.

But Warren Sapp said something a couple of months ago that is the truth.

Going into the game with Dallas, what WR makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him?

The dynamics for Witten will surely change because TO is not here. Regardless if you believe it or not.

As it stands on the 28th of May 2009 this team does not have a threat at WR who is a playmaker.

That might change.

But ya know....it also might not. And that scares the crapola out of me.

Please by all means explain this. Because what you are saying here, and I know you are a Buffalo bill apologist and a deion fan, but what you are saying is that wittens production comes from buffalo bill's abilities. That is what Sanders has been running around saying trying to rally people to the notion that him and romo arent that good....Ironic isnt.

So what your trying to tell us is that Jason witten will struggle more this year with Tony Romo as his qb, Williams, austin, crayton, hurd as his wr, bennet and phillips as the other TE's and Barber, jones and choice at Running back.

Now that is an interesting statement seeing that in 2004 Jason witten had 87 catches for 980 yards and 6 TD's with the supporting cast of Vinny Testaverde at qb, Keyshawn johnson, quincy morgan, patrick crayton, Terrance copper and dedric ward at wr....Richie anderson, julius jones and rashard lee at rb........plus an inferior line.

so Thats cool. You think the 04 offense was better than the 09 offense. Cool, that could be true or you could just have an agenda like the other people who keep bringing this up with witten.

 

[odog422]

Common mistake thinking one teams results mean a dang thing about our results.

Plus Deon Branch is not a bad receiver and surely better than Austin or perhaps Williams.

But even having a great OL still can be negated by a WR corps who can't get separation.

And that's where the rubber meets the road. We have no cloue what this team brings.

What has Deion Branch done in Seattle? And I think his premise about NE was teams win and have won SBs without All-Pro wideouts.

Witten was producing before Owens arrived. And defenses knew about Witten, he wasn't an unknown.

And I never tracked Roy Williams in Detroit, but my understanding was that he was pretty good.

I don't think the WR corp will have nearly as much effect on this squad as the OL production. Particularly if we emphasize the run as has been intimated.

 

[odog422]

Please by all means explain this. Because what you are saying here, and I know you are a Buffalo bill apologist and a deion fan, but what you are saying is that wittens production comes from buffalo bill's abilities. That is what Sanders has been running around saying trying to rally people to the notion that him and romo arent that good....Ironic isnt.

So what your trying to tell us is that Jason witten will struggle more this year with Tony Romo as his qb, Williams, austin, crayton, hurd as his wr, bennet and phillips as the other TE's and Barber, jones and choice at Running back.

Now that is an interesting statement seeing that in 2004 Jason witten had 87 catches for 980 yards and 6 TD's with the supporting cast of Vinny Testaverde at qb, Keyshawn johnson, quincy morgan, patrick crayton, Terrance copper and dedric ward at wr....Richie anderson, julius jones and rashard lee at rb........plus an inferior line.

so Thats cool. You think the 04 offense was better than the 09 offense. Cool, that could be true or you could just have an agenda like the other people who keep bringing this up with witten.

I basically posted the same thought re: Witten right after you....

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Anyone that still likes Deion needs to have their head examined.

But his butthurt will be fun to watch if we prove him wrong.

And I know Sapp used to call TO a selfish, bad guy and even crazy. He just doesn't like us for some reason.

 

[Doctor32]

I wont even watch it. I used to enjoy nfl network stuff, Now I dislike the station as much as espn.

Marshall faulk and deion sanders using race as a reason for stewart getting fired and garrett not getting fired was the final straw for me.

They are both goofs who at one point both wanted to go be HEAD coaches of their former teams. Complete tools both of them.

Throw in jaimie dukes and warren sapp and there is zero reason to watch the station.

I still like sharpe and baldinger but I am not sitting through all that garbage to watch any of their segments.

You would have enjoyed Baldinger. He followed up that riculous segment from the Players roundtable in the studio.
His points on why the Cowboys may win 8 or 9:
BALDINGER'S POINTS

- Jon Kitna was not an upgrade at backup QB from Brad Johnson. They both have arm issues in making all the necessary NFL throws. Backup QB will be a difference because Romo will get hit and will miss time.

- Owens was the only Cowboy who wore the "Star on the side of the helmet" the it should be worn, with swagger. (I'm sorry is this a hip-hop video?)

- Sensabaugh was a liability in Jacksonville and he's the only "fix" to a leaky secondary.

- Felix Jones is now the only real "home run" threat.

 

[Idgit]

Anyone that still likes Deion needs to have their head examined.

But his butthurt will be fun to watch if we prove him wrong.

And I know Sapp used to call TO a selfish, bad guy and even crazy. He just doesn't like us for some reason.

I can't imagine circumstances where watching anything that buffoon does or says would be 'fun.' Deion is a bigger *** as a commentator than he was as a player, which says something about what a colossal *** he really is.

I think Sapp's just playing a role, but I'm not sure. I also don't really care, though. And he was on Dancing with the Stars, which is just totally ********.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just like I shared with someone via PM not long ago, this team flat-out quit... QUIT.

I don't think they deserve the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. If I was a commentator I'd bust on'em too.

 

[AsthmaField]

Going into the game with Dallas, what WR makes you focus on that guy and causes you to worry about stopping him?

The dynamics for Witten will surely change because TO is not here. Regardless if you believe it or not.

Who should be scared are the safeties and linebackers who have to cover Witten and particularly Bennett.

Martellus is going to be a flat out nightmare for defenses to cover and to stop once he has the ball in his hands. The guy has flat out freakish ability and he will scare plenty of defenses.

If you take the Dallas WR corps and just look at them under a microscope, then the loss of T.O.'s talent is noticeable. However, if you look at defensive coordinators having to stop Roy Williams, Austin, Witten, Bennett, and Felix on any given play... then you can see that there is more than enough talent around Romo to scare opposing defenses.

Frankly IMO, I think it was much easier for say a Jimmy Johnson in Philly to tell his defense how to stop Dallas when T.O. was here than it will be this year.

Last season all he had to do was to tell his defense to play T.O. in man coverage, get a good bump on him at the line, and to have safety help over the top. Then with him knowing a good portion of the plays were going to go to T.O. - even if he's covered - half of his work was done for him. He knew Dallas would throw it into the teeth of his defense (where he's schemed to stop them), because he knew with a certainty that plenty of passes would go towards T.O. They had to and he knew it.

This season, if he decides to play one area heavy (say Witten) over another, Dallas can go to other areas and make Johnson pay for putting too many resources on Witten.

If he plays Williams like that, then Romo doesn't have to worry about throwing it that way and can take another route to the endzone

I understand that many people don't feel this way... but I honestly think by getting rid of T.O., that it makes it harder for opposing defensive coordinators. They no longer know a good portion of what we will be trying to do on offense.

 

[Idgit]

...I honestly think by getting rid of T.O., that it makes it harder for opposing defensive coordinators. They no longer know a good portion of what we will be trying to do on offense.

It all hangs on whether or not the guys we've got left can execute. I don't really see how anyone questions whether or not they can. Not having Marion for much of the season last year was a huge problem for us. Felix can score from anywhere and whatever you think about RW, you do have to account for him and Witten in the game plan. Austin, Hurd, and Bennett are all guys who can make plays when you need them, and Romo's one of the best in the league at his position.

The question is can these guy execute when they need to against the good teams, and can they control turnovers and penalties where they weren't able to last year. Barber's sudden fumbles and Romo's fumbles in the backfield or picks on high-percentage plays because WRs are ad-libbing on routes. These are things I worry about, but the questions about the talent on this offensive team are silly.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Deion is a bigger *** as a commentator than he was as a player, which says something about what a colossal *** he really is.

Truer words never spoken.

 

[Idgit]

Truer words never spoken.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, or to another preacher, but I just can't help it: I have to chime in and say Deion is an *** in every thread where he's mentioned. It's a compulsion.

 

[superpunk]

Epic Drew Pearson quote, Idgit.

 

[Idgit]

Epic Drew Pearson quote, Idgit.

Yep. Whatever you think of TO as a player, it's pretty hard to refute that characterization of him as a person. Especially when it comes from Drew Pearson.