NFLN Top 10 Pass Rushers

[WoodysGirl]

Listen, it's obvious that regardless of what I said, you would find fault with it. But it just so happen that Vintage is 100% right and you are trying to place my square words into your your round interpretation. I never intended to make Jevon Kearse the #10 person on the list. He was someone who I wanted to give favorable mention ...just like Reggie White.

I agree with ABQ here and it's not about finding fault with everything you say. Kearse doesn't even deserve a favorable mention. He was hot for three years. Since then he's been average, even when he's been healthy. He doesn't belong anywhere near an all-time list like this. Maybe an all-time list for potential before injuries derailed his career.

BTW, what are you talking about here ... "In fact, that is the antithisas of the the definition, IMO" ...what's an antithisas all about ...what does that have to do with Jevon Kearse being mentioned? Nevermind!

You're reading into this too deeply.

I think you read to deeply into what was basically a typo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Listen, it's obvious that regardless of what I said, you would find fault with it. But it just so happen that Vintage is 100% right and you are trying to place my square words into your your round interpretation. I never intended to make Jevon Kearse the #10 person on the list. He was someone who I wanted to give favorable mention ...just like Reggie White.

BTW, what are you talking about here ... "In fact, that is the antithisas of the the definition, IMO" ...what's an antithisas all about ...what does that have to do with Jevon Kearse being mentioned? Nevermind!

You're reading into this too deeply. But since you're asking for it, here's a number 10 specifically for your list ...

Chuck BednariK ...known as one of the most devastating tacklers in the history of football ...

Don't belive me ...ask Hostile!

Wow, Chuck Bednarik huh? You throw him out there as if I'm supposed to be ignorant of who he is and what role he plays in NFL history. Having said all this, he doesn't belong on this list either. Chuck Bednarik was not a great pass rusher.

Let me just clue you in here. This thread is about the top 10 pass rushers of all time. What does Kearse have to do with that list? Let me help you out here. Nothing. He is not worthy of consideration on this list, just as Haley Too Tall or Randy White or many other great Cowboys who played on the DL for us. I know this, just as you should know that this discussion is not for the likes of Chuck Bednarik or Javon Kearse.

 

[jobberone]

Kearse is a shadow of his former self. He doesn't belong on a top ten list unless you're talking about top ten rookie seasons maybe. Yes, he's still feared. But we're talking plays perhaps a couple of series but not games much less seasons and careers.

Bednarik was the last of the true two way players. Tough but not a feared hitter like RW, Lott or Night Train Lane.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Wow, Chuck Bednarik huh? You throw him out there as if I'm supposed to be ignorant of who he is and what role he plays in NFL history. Having said all this, he doesn't belong on this list either. Chuck Bednarik was not a great pass rusher.

Stop ...now here's a player that made The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, and you figure he doesn't belong on your little list of ten all-time rushers .

Now I'm not calling you ignorant ...those words were first uttered by you. So, I'll attempt to get through your hater-colored glasses one more time. I'm talking about Chuck Bednarik ...

Chuck Bednarik - LB
8-time Pro Bowler: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1960
They named an award after this guy!

Here's more ...
A tough and highly effective tackler, Bednarik is perhaps best known for putting Frank Gifford of the New York Giants out of football for over eighteen months, with one of the most famous tackles in NFL history in 1960. Bednarik had a famous quarrel with Chuck Noll, then a player for the Cleveland Browns (before his NFL coaching career) who once smashed him in the face during a 4th down punting play.
Bednarik proved extremely durable. In 14 seasons, he missed just three games. He was named All-Pro eight times, and was the last of the NFL's "Sixty Minute Men," players who played both offense and defense on a regular basis.
Bednarik's nickname, "Concrete Charlie," originated from his off-season career as a concrete salesman for the Warner Company, not (contrary to conventional wisdom) because of his ferocious reputation as a tackler. Nonetheless, sportswriter Hugh Brown of The Bulletin in Philadelphia, credited with bestowing the nickname, remarked that Bednarik "is as hard as the concrete he sells."
In 1999, he was ranked number 54 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. This made him the highest-ranking player to have spent most of his career with the Eagles, the highest-ranking offensive center and the eighth-ranked linebacker in all of professional football.

Alright, don't buy into Kearse, but somebody take off your franchise hat just long enough to place Chuck Bednarik on that list!

 

[Stash]

And once again, Talon's clueless Eagle-pimping reaches new lows.

Where in that cut-and-paste mess does it mention Bednarik's 'pass-rushing' skills?

You're so busy with your mindless mission to promote Eagles players that you can't even pay attention to the actual topic!

Just in case you forgot......

:suxiggle:

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

And once again, Talon's clueless Eagle-pimping reaches new lows.

Where in that cut-and-paste mess does it mention Bednarik's 'pass-rushing' skills?

You're so busy with your mindless mission to promote Eagles players that you can't even pay attention to the actual topic!

Just in case you forgot......

"And once again, ...You're so busy with your mindless mission ...that you can't even pay attention to the actual topic!"

 

[Stash]

"And once again, ...You're so busy with your mindless mission ...that you can't even pay attention to the actual topic!"

Sure can.

It's about pass rushers!

Of which neither Bednarik nor (don't make me laugh!) Kearse make the list.

Too bad you can't claim the same thing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Stop ...now here's a player that made The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players, and you figure he doesn't belong on your little list of ten all-time rushers .

Now I'm not calling you ignorant ...those words were first uttered by you. So, I'll attempt to get through your hater-colored glasses one more time. I'm talking about Chuck Bednarik ...

Chuck Bednarik - LB
8-time Pro Bowler: 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1956, 1957, 1960
They named an award after this guy!

Here's more ...
A tough and highly effective tackler, Bednarik is perhaps best known for putting Frank Gifford of the New York Giants out of football for over eighteen months, with one of the most famous tackles in NFL history in 1960. Bednarik had a famous quarrel with Chuck Noll, then a player for the Cleveland Browns (before his NFL coaching career) who once smashed him in the face during a 4th down punting play.
Bednarik proved extremely durable. In 14 seasons, he missed just three games. He was named All-Pro eight times, and was the last of the NFL's "Sixty Minute Men," players who played both offense and defense on a regular basis.
Bednarik's nickname, "Concrete Charlie," originated from his off-season career as a concrete salesman for the Warner Company, not (contrary to conventional wisdom) because of his ferocious reputation as a tackler. Nonetheless, sportswriter Hugh Brown of The Bulletin in Philadelphia, credited with bestowing the nickname, remarked that Bednarik "is as hard as the concrete he sells."
In 1999, he was ranked number 54 on The Sporting News' list of the 100 Greatest Football Players. This made him the highest-ranking player to have spent most of his career with the Eagles, the highest-ranking offensive center and the eighth-ranked linebacker in all of professional football.

Alright, don't buy into Kearse, but somebody take off your franchise hat just long enough to place Chuck Bednarik on that list!

I never mentioned ignorant once. Funny how the details seem to continuously escape you today Talon. Chuck Bednarik was not a great pass rusher. Two way player, as tough and mean as they come but he was not a great pass rusher. If he was, he would be on the list. He is not.

However, I'm willing to be convinced. Show me any information you can that characterizes him as a great pass rusher and I'm willing to re-consider. I must insist, however, that the information is at least relivant to the subject, which is one of greatest pass rushers.

 

[Tristan]

Derrick Thomas at his peak was the best pure pass rusher I have seen, I'll never forget the game against Seattle where he had like six sacks and barely missed on his seventh when the QB broke free to throw a game winning TD. He was just unstoppable!

I don't see how Haley is not on this list either.

Dexter Manley is another guy I remember being a beast, especially against us.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

[quote=ABQCOWBOY;1559652]I never mentioned ignorant once. .[/quote]

Yes you did ...here's your quote "

Wow, Chuck Bednarik huh? You throw him out there as if I'm supposed to be ignorant of who he is and what role he plays in NFL history. Having said all this, he doesn't belong on this list either. Chuck Bednarik was not a great pass rusher.

However, I'm willing to be convinced. Show me any information you can that characterizes him as a great pass rusher and I'm willing to re-consider. I must insist, however, that the information is at least relivant to the subject, which is one of greatest pass rushers.

I'm not trying to convince anyone here that doesn't already know about how worthy Chuck Bednarik is to be on the all time rushing list.

Listen, the Chuck Bednarik award defines rushing leaders/defensive players of the year. Eight years an All-Pro and eight times in the Pro Bowl Game, Bednarik leaves numerous records for others to match but perhaps his greatest achievement, and one that may never be equaled, was the most incredible two way performance that drove the Eagles to the world championship in 1960, the second title team for Bednarik.
The College Defensive Player of the Year Award is named in honor of Chuck Bednarik, College and Pro Football Hall of Famer.

Some of the very people you've identified have actually received the Chuck Bednarik award ...Lawrence Taylor…Julius Peppers, etc. I'm not going to turn this into a football history lesson, but how dare you or anyone have second thoughts about placing this football legend onto your little all-time list simply because he wore the Silver and Green ... I thought that at the end of the day, we were all football fans?!

What's that all about

PT

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

[quote=ABQCOWBOY;1559652]I never mentioned ignorant once. .

Yes you did ...here's your quote "





I'm not trying to convince anyone here that doesn't already know about how worthy Chuck Bednarik is to be on the all time rushing list.

Listen, the Chuck Bednarik award defines rushing leaders/defensive players of the year. Eight years an All-Pro and eight times in the Pro Bowl Game, Bednarik leaves numerous records for others to match but perhaps his greatest achievement, and one that may never be equaled, was the most incredible two way performance that drove the Eagles to the world championship in 1960, the second title team for Bednarik.
The College Defensive Player of the Year Award is named in honor of Chuck Bednarik, College and Pro Football Hall of Famer.

Some of the very people you've identified have actually received the Chuck Bednarik award ...Lawrence Taylor…Julius Peppers, etc. I'm not going to turn this into a football history lesson, but how dare you or anyone have second thoughts about placing this football legend onto your little all-time list simply because he wore the Silver and Green ... I thought that at the end of the day, we were all football fans?!

What's that all about

PT[/QUOTE]

Very well PT, I stand corrected on the point of ingnorance. :laugh2:

For the record, I did not put the list together and the fact that neither belong on the list has nothing to do with them "Wearing Silver and Green". AT the end of the day, we are all football fans. That's true. I'm just not one that is unrealistic about what is and is not true simply because they are former Eagles. Since you are a football fan, at the end of the day, from one football fan to the other, the Bednarik award has only been around since 1993. Lawrence Taylor, last played college football is 1980. It is hard for me to understand how he could be a Bednarik award winner. I guess at this point, I am thankful to you that you are not giving me a "football history lesson."

Having said that, Bendnarik was not a great pass rusher. I asked you to convince me using any informatin that might identify him as such. You showed me a link that identified him as a great defensive player. There have been many great defensive players in the history of the NFL that were not great pass rushers. Your own Dawkins is a fine defensive player but I would not call him a great pass rusher. Jeremiah Trotter has been a great defensive player for you but I would not call him a great pass rusher. Lance Briggs is as good a defensive player as there is in the NFL but he's not a great pass rusher. Mike Singletary was one of the greatest defensive players in the history of the game and he was not a great pass rusher. EJ Henderson won the award and he is not a great pass rusher. Teddy Lehman won it and he is not a great pass rusher. Dat Nguyen, Charles Woodson, Pat Fitzgerald, Rob Waldrop, all won the Bednarik award and none were great pass rushers. One doesn't mean the other.

Neither Chuck Bednarik, nor Jevon Kearse deserve to be on this list. That is my opinion and you have not shown me any reason to believe differently. Still open to being convinced should you care to try.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

[/font][/size]Neither Chuck Bednarik, nor Jevon Kearse deserve to be on this list. That is my opinion and you have not shown me any reason to believe differently. Still open to being convinced should you care to try.

Chuck Bednaik’s tenure in the NFL was 1949-1962 Philadelphia Eagles.

Individual Records: "Sacks" were recorded for the first time in 1982
All-Time Sack Leaders (up to 2005)

Amount​

1.​

Bruce Smith​

200.0​

2.​

Reggie White​

198.0​

3.​

Kevin Greene​

160.0​

4.​

Chris Doleman​

150.5​

5.​

John Randle​

137.5​

​

Richard Dent​

137.5​

7.​

Lawrence Taylor​

132.5​

​

Leslie O'Neal​

132.5​

9.​

Michael Strahan​

129.5​

10.​

Rickey Jackson​

128.0​

​

Argument: Even if Chuck Bednarik was a pass rusher ...sacks were not being recorded at that time in the NFL. The mere fact that he was deemed the greatest defensive player in the NFL should give him the benefit of doubt for being on the list (honorarily if nothing else).

I'm through with this subject. As far as Kearse is concerned, I'll submit ...but I can think of at least one sack I hope he makes in 2007!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Chuck Bednaik’s tenure in the NFL was 1949-1962 Philadelphia Eagles.

Individual Records: "Sacks" were recorded for the first time in 1982
All-Time Sack Leaders (up to 2005)

Amount



1.​

Bruce Smith​

200.0



2.​

Reggie White​

198.0



3.​

Kevin Greene​

160.0



4.​

Chris Doleman​

150.5



5.​

John Randle​

137.5​

​

Richard Dent​

137.5



7.​

Lawrence Taylor​

132.5​

​

Leslie O'Neal​

132.5



9.​

Michael Strahan​

129.5



10.​

Rickey Jackson​

128.0​

​

Argument: Even if Chuck Bednarik was a pass rusher ...sacks were not being recorded at that time in the NFL. The mere fact that he was deemed the greatest defensive player in the NFL should give him the benefit of doubt for being on the list (honorarily if nothing else).

I'm through with this subject. As far as Kearse is concerned, I'll submit ...but I can think of at least one sack I hope he makes in 2007!

Just one more reason he can not be considered. It is not my fault that the records for sacks were not kept at that time. Lack of evidence is not proof of authenticity. Just another one of those things you will have to live with. As I said earlier, Randy White, nor Bob Lilly, nor Harvey Martin will ever be on this list. I do think that had Bednarik been a great pass rusher, he would have gotten consideration. After all, there are players on this list who played before sacks were counted. Bednarik doesn't belong on the list. Great defensive player but not a great pass rusher. I'm sorry if this is unacceptable to you. It is what it is and there are no Honorary position currently available at this time, so far as I know.

As far as the sack goes, I wish you luck. I trust that along with that one sack, you are also hoping McNappie doesn't get found himself.

BTW, I'm glade you've decided to continue posting. While you may feel this is personal, it is simply a matter of keeping the subject matter true to it's content.

See ya around.

 

[jackrussell]

Well, most people believe that Lawrence Taylor was probably the best OLB in the history of the game primarily because of his ability to pass rush (132.5 for his career) and I couldn't argue that point. However, do you realize that Ricky Jackson of the New Orleans Saints registered 128 himself? I'd say that if your going to say Taylor is number three, then Jackson has to be somewhere on that list.

Ricky Jackson/Pat Swilling............an oft forgotten devastating duo.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ricky Jackson/Pat Swilling............an oft forgotten devastating duo.

Your absolutly correct Jack. Swilling was probably a better natural pass rusher then Jackson. He was not as succesful over time but he too had over 100 sacks. In fact, that defense was awsome. In addition to Swilling and Jackson, there was Wayne Martin, who had five seasons of +10 sacks from the defensive tackle spot, Joe Johnson, Reynaldo Turnbal, Jumpy Gaethers, all guys that could bring pressure, to say nothing of Vaugh Johnson and Sam Mills. Just a real strong collection of talent on those teams.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Ricky Jackson/Pat Swilling............an oft forgotten devastating duo.

Not sure, but I think I remember hearing the name Swilling as an honorable mention.

 

[mwj473]

Speaking os top 10 lists and the Saints LB's, they were named the top LB corp of all-time when NFLN did their top 10LB corps of all time. Swilling/Mills/Jackson/Vaughn were #1 with the Steelers of the 70's #2. It was a very interesting discussion among writers about who should be #1. They talked about all the other pro bowlers that the Steelers had other than LB's and the Saints had none. The Saints LB's had to do everything. The downside to them is they never won a playoff game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Speaking os top 10 lists and the Saints LB's, they were named the top LB corp of all-time when NFLN did their top 10LB corps of all time. Swilling/Mills/Jackson/Vaughn were #1 with the Steelers of the 70's #2. It was a very interesting discussion among writers about who should be #1. They talked about all the other pro bowlers that the Steelers had other than LB's and the Saints had none. The Saints LB's had to do everything. The downside to them is they never won a playoff game.

No offense. I had this discussion with the Skinz fans over at Exteme. To me, they were the best LBing crew I've ever seen. However, I'd probably rank them as one and the Giants as two.

 

[jobberone]

Writing this I know I'm wrong for saying it. But I can't help but say as good as those LBs were I can't put them in the same boat as Lambert and all or Howley and crew. They never won anything. That shouldn't take away from my objectivity but I can't elevate them to that status. I guess it's because they never won anything. Maybe it's something else. Can't contest they weren't very good.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

I do not know the stats but John Randle was one of the best pass rushing DTs I ever seen that guy was a headache