NFLN Top 10 Pass Rushers

[ABQCOWBOY]

L.C. Greenwood and Dwight White were the DE's for Pittsburgh and they were very good - Green didn't move outside to replace them in passing situations.

Same goes for Carl Eller and Jim Marshall who were the very good DE's for Minnesota when Page played.

Green and Page were DT's

I did not question this. I simply said that I remember them getting the majority of there sacks from the DE position. I did not watch every game these players played in, however, I watched a lot of the Minnesota games and a fair amount of Pittsburgh, at the time. This is how I remember it.

 

[Stautner]

I did not question this. I simply said that I remember them getting the majority of there sacks from the DE position. I did not watch every game these players played in, however, I watched a lot of the Minnesota games and a fair amount of Pittsburgh, at the time. This is how I remember it.

OK - I can live with that - I guess our memories just tell us different things.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK - I can live with that - I guess our memories just tell us different things.

I think teams used a lot more over, under and twists techniques, in those days. Today, you see more zone and speed rushes. More one on one moves, if you will. I really think that the 43 DLines in those days were superior to what you see now. It's hard to draft and keep 4 great players, as you did 30, 40 years ago. You don't see lines like the Steelers Curtin or the Purple People Eaters anymore. It really is one of the biggest regrets for me that young people have no idea how great these players were. I know that memory often inhances things over time but honestly, you don't see that kind of collection of talent any longer, IMO. It's a shame.

 

[Stautner]

I think teams used a lot more over, under and twists techniques, in those days. Today, you see more zone and speed rushes. More one on one moves, if you will. I really think that the 43 DLines in those days were superior to what you see now. It's hard to draft and keep 4 great players, as you did 30, 40 years ago. You don't see lines like the Steelers Curtin or the Purple People Eaters anymore. It really is one of the biggest regrets for me that young people have no idea how great these players were. I know that memory often inhances things over time but honestly, you don't see that kind of collection of talent any longer, IMO. It's a shame.

The Eagles with White and Simmons and Brown had a great overall D-line, and the 85' Bears did, and I'm sure there are a few others that may be more recent that I can't recall, but in general I think you are right - having that kind of quality across the D-line is pretty much a thing of the distant past.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Eagles with White and Simmons and Brown had a great overall D-line, and the 85' Bears did, and I'm sure there are a few others that may be more recent that I can't recall, but in general I think you are right - having that kind of quality across the D-line is pretty much a thing of the distant past.

Yes, that Eagles line would be amoung the very best, and I might even consider them to be the best, had they had a bit more longevity to them. That talent was awsome. Maybe the best collection of talent ever on a DL. Reggie White, Clyde Simmons, Mike Pitts and Jerome Brown. The 85 Bears, you mention, was also great. Dent, Perry, McMichael and Hampton, that's also an extremely talented group of guys. For a time, Carolina had that kind of talent with Peppers, Rucker, Jenkins and Buckner but there kinda passing by the way side now. The last truely dominating DL, that I can remember was probably the Dline Tampa had with Sapp, Bugger, Rice and Wyms but again, not long enough.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Finally saw it again...

#10 is Derrick Thomas...

 

[jobberone]

Unfortunately, havnig a fairly short career hurt Martin - had he stayed in shape and away from cocaoine me may have ended up near the top of this list.

Martin was as good as anyone on that line.



If you remember Marchetti at all you have a perspective most of us don't. I'm older than most on here probably, but that was before my time.

Gino was old school. They liquored up then went after you. It was a brutal game which went after the whistle. Gino was active and persistent. He could get there but he's not in the same league as the later guys you mentioned. Big cat was real deal and the first big sacker. There was no relief against Big Cat. He was my first hero to get to the QB.


No. They were very good pass rushers for DT's, but not quite at the level of the elite DE's.

So lets talk about Big Cat.

 

[28 Joker]

Where is Charles Haley? The dude is wearing five rings. He is a Hall of Famer in my eyes!

 

[TheBeheader31]

How in the hell is the NFL's all time sack leader not even in the top 3?

 

[mmohican29]

passer rating was created to show how wonderful the west coast offense is... god I hate Bill Walsh...

 

[Sarge]

Charles Haley??

Jim Jeffcoat had more career sacks than Charles Haley I do believe. A VERY underrated pass rusher.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Kearse has never been consistent at being a top threat. All these guys on the list did it in year after year.

Jevon kearse not a top threat?!

Franchise rivalry aside, the "Freak" not be in the top ten today; but to say he's never been consistent when he was a top threat ...that's ***cough, cough sneeze bull manure***cough, cough!

Keep an Eagle-eye on a healthy Kearse in 2007.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jevon kearse not a top threat?!

Franchise rivalry aside, the "Freak" not be in the top ten today; but to say he's never been consistent when he was a top threat ...that's ***cough, cough sneeze bull manure***cough, cough!

Keep an Eagle-eye on a healthy Kearse in 2007.

He would not be in my top 10.

He only has 66 sacks, his entire career. He's had 3 seasons with 10 or more sacks (his first three in the league) and he's never had more in a season then 14.5 (his first season in the league). No way he is deserving of that kind of status IMO.

 

[Vintage]

He would not be in my top 10.

He only has 66 sacks, his entire career. He's had 3 seasons with 10 or more sacks (his first three in the league) and he's never had more in a season then 14.5 (his first season in the league). No way he is deserving of that kind of status IMO.

So what if he's only had 66 sacks his entire career?

PTs point was that at one time, Kearse was a top threat. His first couple of years in the league, he certainly was. 36 sacks in his first 3 years. He was facing double teams his rookie year. Not many rookie DE's ever command that much attention.

Kearse isn't that now; which is what PT was trying to say.

But at one point, he was a great edge rusher and looked like he would be on his way to a great career.

Fortunately, for us, he hasn't continued down that path.

But I loved watching him at Tennessee. Shame his career didn't end up like it started (and he went somewhere else or stayed in Tennessee).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So what if he's only had 66 sacks his entire career?

PTs point was that at one time, Kearse was a top threat. His first couple of years in the league, he certainly was. 36 sacks in his first 3 years. He was facing double teams his rookie year. Not many rookie DE's ever command that much attention.

Kearse isn't that now; which is what PT was trying to say.

But at one point, he was a great edge rusher and looked like he would be on his way to a great career.

Fortunately, for us, he hasn't continued down that path.

But I loved watching him at Tennessee. Shame his career didn't end up like it started (and he went somewhere else or stayed in Tennessee).

For three seasons, he was OK? Alot of guys have posted three season with better then 14 sacks in a season. A LOT OF GUYS.

This thread is about the best all time pass rushers. Kearse, IMO, is not amoung those.

 

[Vintage]

For three seasons, he was OK? Alot of guys have posted three season with better then 14 sacks in a season. A LOT OF GUYS.

This thread is about the best all time pass rushers. Kearse, IMO, is not amoung those.

I am not saying Kearse is among the best of all time. I was merely responding to what you said (in your reply to PT).

Kearse, in his early years, was one of the top threats at the time. Injuries derailed that.

I don't think he deserves to be on the list.

But PT was saying that that Kearse, when he was healthy early on, was a top threat and was consistant at it. I don't see how that's untrue.

Unless PT said earlier or is implying Kearse should be considered amongst the greats (which, IMO, is not what he is trying to say), I don't see what he is saying as being wrong.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am not saying Kearse is among the best of all time. I was merely responding to what you said (in your reply to PT).

Kearse, in his early years, was one of the top threats at the time. Injuries derailed that.

I don't think he deserves to be on the list.

But PT was saying that that Kearse, when he was healthy early on, was a top threat and was consistant at it. I don't see how that's untrue.

Unless PT said earlier or is implying Kearse should be considered amongst the greats (which, IMO, is not what he is trying to say), I don't see what he is saying as being wrong.

What is your point? Is three years long enough to be considered consistant? If so, then I guess I can see why your posting this. However, 3 years is not long enough to be considered consistant IMO. As I said before, lots of guys have posted better stats for three years than Kearse.

If you agree with PT, that's fine. I don't and I imagine very few on this board would agree either. However, that is up to them. Bottom line, three years of 14.5, 11 and 10 do not qualify him as worthy for this list and they don't qualify him as consistant either. Jake Plummer had three seasons where he posted QB ratings of 91.2, 84.5 and 90.2 but I would never call him consistant. In fact, that is the antithisas of the the definition, IMO.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

So what if he's only had 66 sacks his entire career?

PTs point was that at one time, Kearse was a top threat. His first couple of years in the league, he certainly was. 36 sacks in his first 3 years. He was facing double teams his rookie year. Not many rookie DE's ever command that much attention.

Kearse isn't that now; which is what PT was trying to say.

But at one point, he was a great edge rusher and looked like he would be on his way to a great career.

Fortunately, for us, he hasn't continued down that path.

But I loved watching him at Tennessee. Shame his career didn't end up like it started (and he went somewhere else or stayed in Tennessee).

Kearse was indeed a threat at some point in time during his career. These Defensive Ends go through a career in half the the time as other posiions because they are expected to do so much to clear OL blockers and create sacks, or disrupt runs to the outside. Being as large as they are, they are vulnerable to chop blocks where their legs get taken out from underneath them. That's got to be hard on players.

I'm glad the NFLPA is getting some heat on providing some compensation toward some of these former players.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

105 career sacks is darn good...

He wasn't a feared pass rusher...

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

What is your point? Is three years long enough to be considered consistant? If so, then I guess I can see why your posting this. However, 3 years is not long enough to be considered consistant IMO. As I said before, lots of guys have posted better stats for three years than Kearse.

If you agree with PT, that's fine. I don't and I imagine very few on this board would agree either. However, that is up to them. Bottom line, three years of 14.5, 11 and 10 do not qualify him as worthy for this list and they don't qualify him as consistant either. Jake Plummer had three seasons where he posted QB ratings of 91.2, 84.5 and 90.2 but I would never call him consistant. In fact, that is the antithisas of the the definition, IMO.

Listen, it's obvious that regardless of what I said, you would find fault with it. But it just so happen that Vintage is 100% right and you are trying to place my square words into your your round interpretation. I never intended to make Jevon Kearse the #10 person on the list. He was someone who I wanted to give favorable mention ...just like Reggie White.

BTW, what are you talking about here ... "In fact, that is the antithisas of the the definition, IMO" ...what's an antithisas all about ...what does that have to do with Jevon Kearse being mentioned? Nevermind!

You're reading into this too deeply. But since you're asking for it, here's a number 10 specifically for your list ...

Chuck BednariK ...known as one of the most devastating tacklers in the history of football ...

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