NHL lockout over...

[Boys122]

My Canadiens are off to a good start at 3-1.

Too bad Max is out after an emergency appendectomy. Subban is still unsigned.

Yeah, imagine how much better your team could be with them in the lineup.

 

[Future]

My Canadiens are off to a good start at 3-1.

Too bad Max is out after an emergency appendectomy. Subban is still unsigned.

I don't think Subban is going to play in Montreal again. They are WAY apart in contract talks, and lots of teams would like to have him.

 

[Boys122]

I don't think Subban is going to play in Montreal again. They are WAY apart in contract talks, and lots of teams would like to have him.

Both the Rangers and Islanders would love to have Subban.

 

[Future]

Both the Rangers and Islanders would love to have Subban.

:laugh2: Pretty much the whole conference would.

I personally don't think he's worth what he would command, both in a trade and salary for the Rangers b/c he'd probably be their #5 D Man. NYI though could really benefit from having a guy like him.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

My son will be devastated as Subban is his favourite player (he even wore 76 on his spring team last year in Subban's honour).

Bergevin said he will match any offer sheet and won't trade him so who knows how it will turn out.

 

[Boys122]

:laugh2: Pretty much the whole conference would.

I personally don't think he's worth what he would command, both in a trade and salary for the Rangers b/c he'd probably be their #5 D Man. NYI though could really benefit from having a guy like him.

You know it. The Isles definitely could use him. You're right though he is asking way too much. The Isles can't afford him.

I think our team has enough to make the playoffs just not a deep run. Now the Rangers on the other hand could.

 

[Future]

You know it. The Isles definitely could use him. You're right though he is asking way too much. The Isles can't afford him.

I think our team has enough to make the playoffs just not a deep run. Now the Rangers on the other hand could.

I agree about the Isles, but if some of those guys like Okposo, Grabner, and Bailey elevate their play who knows.

I didn't love the Rangers last year, and I don't love them this year.

While I think the shortened season really helps them with their style of play, they just simply do not have enough playmakers to be serious contenders I don't think. They might score goals this year, and Nash is incredible, but the reason I never thought they'd win it all last year is that they simply do not possess the puck enough. I don't think that has changed to be honest.

I know its early and hard to tell what teams might or might not be able to do, but the Rangers have to get a lot more out of their role players if they want to make a serious run.

 

[RastaRocket]

I don't think Subban is going to play in Montreal again. They are WAY apart in contract talks, and lots of teams would like to have him.

He's going nowhere. They wont let a young star player go.

I think now that Jamie Benn is signed they have a better idea of the market.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

He's going nowhere. They wont let a young star player go.

I think now that Jamie Benn is signed they have a better idea of the market.

I would have thought so but Bergevin is sticking to his two year transition contract position. Historically that is what the Canadiens have done. I personally think it is a stupid policy but it is what it is.

Subban is willing to go 2 years 7 million, Canadiens want 2 years 5 million which in my view is an insult. He is better than Carlson, better than Del Zotto and should be paid more than them.

 

[RastaRocket]

Jamie Benn making his season debut tonight. I'm excited.

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[FiveRings]

I agree about the Isles, but if some of those guys like Okposo, Grabner, and Bailey elevate their play who knows.

I didn't love the Rangers last year, and I don't love them this year.

While I think the shortened season really helps them with their style of play, they just simply do not have enough playmakers to be serious contenders I don't think. They might score goals this year, and Nash is incredible, but the reason I never thought they'd win it all last year is that they simply do not possess the puck enough. I don't think that has changed to be honest.

I know its early and hard to tell what teams might or might not be able to do, but the Rangers have to get a lot more out of their role players if they want to make a serious run.

The Rangers made the stupidest move that got the most praise this offseason. They got rid of three great depth forwards, two of them top 6 forwards. Also traded a way a young D Man that would be much needed in a year or two. Now, the Rangers rely on one line to produce for them and still have three serviceable defenseman. But hey, it made the headlines so what does Dolan care.

 

[Future]

The Rangers made the stupidest move that got the most praise this offseason. They got rid of three great depth forwards, two of them top 6 forwards. Also traded a way a young D Man that would be much needed in a year or two. Now, the Rangers rely on one line to produce for them and still have three serviceable defenseman. But hey, it made the headlines so what does Dolan care.

Not a stupid move. Neither Dubi nor Anisimov score at a top 6 clip. They are both 3rd liners who can play on the 2nd line in the right situation.

Erixon wouldn't be more than the #5 D-Man on this team, and with McIlrath coming up soon, he wouldn't be moving up very far.

Essentially in the lineup, the Rangers replaced Ani and Dubi with Nash and Kreider. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't do that.

 

[Risen Star]

I consider the Rangers a top contender. That goalie can carry a team on his back. If he's hot come playoffs time, they'll be tough to beat.

 

[IAMKING]

Okay, we get it, you don't like hockey.

No I love hockey......when it's locked out

 

[RastaRocket]

No I love hockey......when it's locked out

Cool then don't watch it when it's on. Does it really bother you if it takes up time on SportsCenter when you are waiting to see something you've already seen before?

 

[FiveRings]

Not a stupid move. Neither Dubi nor Anisimov score at a top 6 clip. They are both 3rd liners who can play on the 2nd line in the right situation.

Erixon wouldn't be more than the #5 D-Man on this team, and with McIlrath coming up soon, he wouldn't be moving up very far.

Essentially in the lineup, the Rangers replaced Ani and Dubi with Nash and Kreider. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't do that.

I agree with your assessment of Dubinsky, but I'm sorry you get Aniimov in a good position, with line mates he's familiar with, he could have at least 25 goals. You're also forgetting the Rags letting a good forward like Fedotenko who played so well under Torts walk, and in the same division to boot.

But I don't understand the fixation the Rangers had on getting Nash anyway, given their trap style why go for such explosive, defensively challenged forwards? Adding a good blue liner should have been their point of focus. MacDonugh Girardi and Staal can't carry the D corp the entire season.

 

[RastaRocket]

I would have thought so but Bergevin is sticking to his two year transition contract position. Historically that is what the Canadiens have done. I personally think it is a stupid policy but it is what it is.

Subban is willing to go 2 years 7 million, Canadiens want 2 years 5 million which in my view is an insult. He is better than Carlson, better than Del Zotto and should be paid more than them.

I was shocked when I saw the 2 year $5 mil deal. He obviously went two years so he can jack up his price tag soon. Montreal was low balling him.

 

[Future]

I agree with your assessment of Dubinsky, but I'm sorry you get Aniimov in a good position, with line mates he's familiar with, he could have at least 25 goals. You're also forgetting the Rags letting a good forward like Fedotenko who played so well under Torts walk, and in the same division to boot.

But I don't understand the fixation the Rangers had on getting Nash anyway, given their trap style why go for such explosive, defensively challenged forwards? Adding a good blue liner should have been their point of focus. MacDonugh Girardi and Staal can't carry the D corp the entire season.

Anisimov might get you 25 goals, but through his entire career here he has never been consistent enough to do so...he's never even hit 20. And there's no reason that Kreider, can't replace that.

Fedotenko was awful last year, 0 burst, 0 hands...solid on the PK was about it. Nash is actually a terrific defensive forward and one of the best penalty killers in the game. He doesn't always get heavily involved in the forecheck, but that's maybe the only flaw to his defensive game.

Defensively, you're leaving out Michael Del Zotto who has some flaws in his own zone, but is tremendous offensively, and Stralman who is solid overall. If Sauer, who is a top 4 defenseman on every team in the league comes back, its the best corps in the league. As it is, the Rangers might have the best top 4 in the game. Injuries might cause significant problems, because there isn't a ton of depth, but as a whole, the d corps is pretty much as good as it gets.

 

[Boys122]

Habs ink Subban.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=652966&navid=nhl:topheads

 

[Future]

Habs ink Subban.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=652966&navid=nhl:topheads

and Future eats crow :laugh2:

I'm really surprised that he signed for something that far off from what he wanted.