No coach really matters if we don't have the QB

Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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I don’t think Dak will make it through 6 games next year before he suffer a career ending injury
 
JBS said:
If you have an elite coach, you can get more out of this qb. Look at what elite coaches do

Koc w Darnold
KK w Daniels
Shanny w Purdy in the past
Shane w Hurts
Mcvay with stafford

The list goes on and on. You can’t have mediocre coach and qb. And that’s what Jerry has forced upon us for 30 years now.
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Except for Purdy all those QBs were drafted in the first or second round (Jalen). Everybody knew they had the physical tools.

Qak is borderline at being able to make the jump into that arena.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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Until his mates turn on him, Prescott isn't going to lift his no-trade clause in his insane contract.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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This is true IF you are asking your QB to win you 4 straight games. We should not ask Dak to win 4 straight games because he cannot. He (like most QBs) needs a running game and a defense. Those are things that travel and can be relied upon in bad weather. Complaining about something that cannot change (Daks contract) is a cop out. Asking Dak to be Patrick Mahomes because he makes 60m a year is a waste of time. The job of a franchise architect is to build a complete team. From the front office, to the coaches, to the players, to the support staff

There is too much focus on Dak. He did not play well this year. Outside of the Kicker and the KR...none of them played well. We can whine about it...or we can go to work to plug the holes on this team. Dak does not play DL. Dak does not play LBer. Dak does not play RB. Dak is not the head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator or specail teams coach. Dak is not the 2nd WR. Dak is not the LT. Dak is not the RG. Dak is not the RT. ALL of those aforementioned positions (including Dak) need to be filled and/or play better!
 
NoLuv4Jerry said:
This is true IF you are asking your QB to win you 4 straight games. We should not ask Dak to win 4 straight games because he cannot. He (like most QBs) needs a running game and a defense. Those are things that travel and can be relied upon in bad weather. Complaining about something that cannot change (Daks contract) is a cop out. Asking Dak to be Patrick Mahomes because he makes 60m a year is a waste of time. The job of a franchise architect is to build a complete team. From the front office, to the coaches, to the players, to the support staff

There is too much focus on Dak. He did not play well this year. Outside of the Kicker and the KR...none of them played well. We can whine about it...or we can go to work to plug the holes on this team. Dak does not play DL. Dak does not play LBer. Dak does not play RB. Dak is not the head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator or specail teams coach. Dak is not the 2nd WR. Dak is not the LT. Dak is not the RG. Dak is not the RT. ALL of those aforementioned positions (including Dak) need to be filled and/or play better!
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Problem is...Dak is a choker. Nothing can be done to fix this. No defense or RB will fix a choker. I've seen enough football to know...it's not something you fix like throwing motion. Defense, RB...lipstick on a pig. See Goff...see Lamar. Lamar threw 4ints all year...then has 3 turnovers in one game. Dak had a "near-MVP" year and the Packers were SALIVATING to face him in that game. Why? They knew he was going to throw them the ball. Dak nearly had 5 ints that first half against the Packers...he was shell-shocked. He'll never recover from that...just like Romo never fully recovered from the dropped snap.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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I would say the coach matters even more if you don’t have a great QB.
 
Certainly helps to have a hall of famer but teams have won with Brad Johnson, flacco, rypen, plunket a rookie Ben R. Dak is better than any of them. But you can't have a bad line, run game and defense. I understand his contract makes it hard to build a dream team, but they can make at least ONE facet of the team good to help him.
 
and it doesn't matter what that QB nameplate says on the jersey if the team is on the wrong side of several statistical rankings. Run defense, run offense, red zone defense, etc.. come to mind. We can take Tom Brady's DNA, mix it with Mahomes and a Manning, and if the run defense isn't good, nor the run offense, nor red zone defense, it won't matter which QB we have.

The Chiefs and every NFL team and coach that has won a superbowl or ncaa championship or high school state title or peewee championship approves this message.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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Maybe a good team and roster would help. This team sucks and no QB can change the playoff performances or many against good teams until they fix the front 7, find a RB and at least 1 if not 2 WRs, and get the CBs healthy. Once the roster begins to resemble a solid, balanced team that can compete in the playoffs, then I’ll take the QB complaints more seriously. But you could swap Dak with any QB in the NFL, and while the team would be better with some of the truly elite ones, it still wouldn’t have made the playoffs this year.
 
JW82 said:
Certainly helps to have a hall of famer but teams have won with Brad Johnson, flacco, rypen, plunket a rookie Ben R. Dak is better than any of them. But you can't have a bad line, run game and defense. I understand his contract makes it hard to build a dream team, but they can make at least ONE facet of the team good to help him.
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He's really not.
 
Coogiguy03 said:
Who can get us over the hump. Yes for goodness sakes we know we can't do anything with Dak due to his contract, and that's strapping us knowing that his play doesn't equate to what he's being paid. We're currently doing our due diligence on coaches, but what exactly can that coach do that the other two couldn't? At this point in Dak's career, can he really be the QB that finally gets us over the hump? With his injury, how will that play out, will he make it through the season. The division that we're in, as you can see has changed dramatically with Washington making a complete 360!


I say this again, what does hiring Shottenhiemer, Deion, Saleh or anyone else going to do if we don't have that LEADER on offense to get us through the places in games where we've known him to struggle for years! Please give your thoughts!
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QB doesn't matter if you don't have the players around him to get the job done. You think Philly won a Super Bowl because of Nick Foles? You think they went to another one and are possibly going to another because of Jalen Hurts?

There are very few QBs who can overcome their surroundings. Football is a team game and without the team, even great QBs fail, and with the team, even so-so QBs have succeeded.

Stop blaming the QB and blame the Joneses. That's where the blame belongs.
 
true, I was just thinking this today.

If our QB cannot learn a new system like a high paid QB should be able to, then we're stuck with whatever dregs of a head coach we can get that has been in the present system.

and if its that bad, yep, it doesn't matter who the coach is, we're hamstrung for a couple years
 
JBS said:
If you have an elite coach, you can get more out of this qb. Look at what elite coaches do

Koc w Darnold
KK w Daniels
Shanny w Purdy in the past
Shane w Hurts
Mcvay with stafford

The list goes on and on. You can’t have mediocre coach and qb. And that’s what Jerry has forced upon us for 30 years now.
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All those QBs are just as good as Dak when they have the offensive weapons Dak has had. Point is Dak wasted all those years and now he will be bottom 1/3 until he admits he’s just not the guy. 240 million dollars wasted on disappointment
 
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