No More Crying

[Wood]

All I want to say is IF we (CZ) get the draft we all want such as cooper,warmack,fluker, schienke(sp?),Lane,Thomas, or any other highly rated O-lineman and they are complete and utter busts I do not want to read or hear anybody start crying that we do not know how to draft and everything is Jerry's fault.

I am not a jerry defender and I agree with the majority we need to draft lineman. I just want to get the point across that no one better cry and whine about any lineman that the majority believes to be a "starter from day one" if they are complete busts or are terrible or don't translate to the nfl or whatever.

I like this forum, a lot actually but it has been such a drag to read any posts because everything is either romo's fault or jerry's fault or whatever.

Once again if we draft any of those lineman and IF they are completely terrible no one will have any right to complain because we/you got what you wanted.

Signed,
Frustrated and annoyed poster

haha I like fact that you signed it.

 

[gimmesix]

All I want to say is IF we (CZ) get the draft we all want such as cooper,warmack,fluker, schienke(sp?),Lane,Thomas, or any other highly rated O-lineman and they are complete and utter busts I do not want to read or hear anybody start crying that we do not know how to draft and everything is Jerry's fault.

I'd rather they just not be busts. We need to keep building through the draft and it would certainly help Romo and this team if we draft another long-term stalwart or two for this line.

 

[Manster54]

Cliff notes to new readers:
You best not cry.
I will cry if I want to.
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[DenCWBY]

All I want to say is IF we (CZ) get the draft we all want such as cooper,warmack,fluker, schienke(sp?),Lane,Thomas, or any other highly rated O-lineman and they are complete and utter busts I do not want to read or hear anybody start crying that we do not know how to draft and everything is Jerry's fault.

I am not a jerry defender and I agree with the majority we need to draft lineman. I just want to get the point across that no one better cry and whine about any lineman that the majority believes to be a "starter from day one" if they are complete busts or are terrible or don't translate to the nfl or whatever.

I like this forum, a lot actually but it has been such a drag to read any posts because everything is either romo's fault or jerry's fault or whatever.

Once again if we draft any of those lineman and IF they are completely terrible no one will have any right to complain because we/you got what you wanted.

Signed,
Frustrated and annoyed poster

One thing is being successful in drafting starters/players and the other is how you line them up and coach them to win. JJ could pick all the best talent and has in some cases but if the players are just a bunch of individuals with no real team leadership or drive, they are just paycheck players and will perform like team of paycheck players (8-8).
It would be interesting to give the team we have today to an organization like the 9ers, Ravens or Pats to see how well they would do. Then imagine a team like the 49ers or Pats with the coaching and front office like the Cowboys and it would be very interesting to see the results.
IMO I think we would have won at least 1 if not 2 more games being in a true NFL coaching atmosphere instead of a circus.
I guess where I'm going with this is at the end of the day, the majority of the forum will hammer the team/ownership (no matter who they draft) if they do not succeed in the playoffs.

 

[38 Special]

One draft pick does not erase the systematic refusal to allocate proper resources to the OL over Jerry's tenure as GM.

Any of the top OL prospects can bust - this is true of any position. A great GM should put his team in position to compete or his expensive QB to stay healthy without relying on getting lucky and drafting a day 1 stud, which is where we are right now.

 

[TwoDeep3]

This is a game of results.

But so much like this country that wants to make every kid a winner so don't keep score, this has become a game for the average Dallas fan here of Romo's stats.

Romo had a good day, that's all that matters.

So to we now have the draft that is being made politically correct.

Don't say anything if the players they draft become busts. Just think of the half dozen players they hit on and forget the dozens upon dozen upon dozens over the last 17 years where they failed to take quality.

Now I read this site more than post lately, but have come across the fluff that free agency means nothing. So not shoring up weaknesses doesn't matter because it is all about the draft.

Then some stat is tossed out that ignores the FA that were good.

Now we need to be aware just trying in the draft is enough. So don't cry.

1. I will say what I think regardless if anyone but Reality and the MODs like it or not, come Hell or high water or it hair lips the governor.

2. I will hold this team accountable for every wasted season, every blown play call, and every management mistake. That is my right as a fan since I buy the products advertised that make the team prosper.

3. The game is played to win. So many here make chest beating posts about not playing back-ups in games to get a better draft position.

I don't give up and am offended someone would suggest this, is their hue and cry.

Then they turn right around and sign off on this PC position of the draft.

So now there is nothing we can do, or say about the team because FA is not the route and if they miss in the draft just think about the handful off successes and forget the truck loads if mistakes.

Really?

Get a skirt, girls.

 

[DenCWBY]

This is a game of results.

But so much like this country that wants to make every kid a winner so don't keep score, this has become a game for the average Dallas fan here of Romo's stats.

Romo had a good day, that's all that matters.

So to we now have the draft that is being made politically correct.

Don't say anything if the players they draft become busts. Just think of the half dozen players they hit on and forget the dozens upon dozen upon dozens over the last 17 years where they failed to take quality.

Now I read this site more than post lately, but have come across the fluff that free agency means nothing. So not shoring up weaknesses doesn't matter because it is all about the draft.

Then some stat is tossed out that ignores the FA that were good.

Now we need to be aware just trying in the draft is enough. So don't cry.

1. I will say what I think regardless if anyone but Reality and the MODs like it or not, come Hell or high water or it hair lips the governor.

2. I will hold this team accountable for every wasted season, every blown play call, and every management mistake. That is my right as a fan since I buy the products advertised that make the team prosper.

3. The game is played to win. So many here make chest beating posts about not playing back-ups in games to get a better draft position.

I don't give up and am offended someone would suggest this, is their hue and cry.

Then they turn right around and sign off on this PC position of the draft.

So now there is nothing we can do, or say about the team because FA is not the route and if they miss in the draft just think about the handful off successes and forget the truck loads if mistakes.

Really?

Get a skirt, girls.

Great Post 2 Deep.
Now All of the CZ posters should get a blue ribbon for their posting efforts no matter how much time/effort/thought they put into their posts. It's the new american way.

 

[Vabeachboy]

Maybe somebody should make a list of members and who they want drafted if you are so worried about it. Then we can see who the real hypocrites are that change their tune and start whining about the draft when something doesn't go they're way. I guarantee a lot of people here probably wouldn't even wanna be on that list because then they couldn't come post all they horrible GM comments over and over and over just for a response.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Maybe somebody should make a list of members and who they want drafted if you are so worried about it. Then we can see who the real hypocrites are that change their tune and start whining about the draft when something doesn't go they're way. I guarantee a lot of people here probably wouldn't even wanna be on that list because then they couldn't come post all they horrible GM comments over and over and over just for a response.

I am not affiliated with professional football in any capacity other than a fan. So I cannot list what will and won't work in the draft and the future.

But then if a plane crashes over and over, I don't have to be an aeronautical engineer to understand there is a flaw in the construction.

To suggest someone is a hypocrite because they cannot build a plane that flies ignores that this is about the results and not suggesting anything about I could do it better.

That is the flaw in the arguments that fly here. Because one group speaks about results in a results oriented sport.

The other group talks about the first group.

 

[Rockytop6]

A truly eloquent post!

 

[Vabeachboy]

I am not affiliated with professional football in any capacity other than a fan. So I cannot list what will and won't work in the draft and the future.

But then if a plane crashes over and over, I don't have to be an aeronautical engineer to understand there is a flaw in the construction.

To suggest someone is a hypocrite because they cannot build a plane that flies ignores that this is about the results and not suggesting anything about I could do it better.

That is the flaw in the arguments that fly here. Because one group speaks about results in a results oriented sport.

The other group talks about the first group.

You are a hypocrite if you say that we should draft this "player" no matter what...or say that the organization is stupid if they pass up on so and so blah blah blag...then IF the team drafts that guy and he's a bust/ don't work out or whatever and you come back and say the team needs a new GM...we can't draft...Jerry is lost.. .you ARE a hypocrite! Do you even know the definition? Let me help you..Hypocrite -adjective - person who acts contradictory of stated beliefs or feelings....so there you go...say one thing and then do another to fit your argument... which obviously you like to do talking about airplanes and things that don't even remotely have any comparison to a football team. And your last statement about one group talking about another group is hilarious because that is exactly what you just did .

 

[TwoDeep3]

You are a hypocrite if you say that we should draft this "player" no matter what...or say that the organization is stupid if they pass up on so and so blah blah blag...then IF the team drafts that guy and he's a bust/ don't work out or whatever and you come back and say the team needs a new GM...we can't draft...Jerry is lost.. .you ARE a hypocrite! Do you even know the definition? Let me help you..Hypocrite -adjective - person who acts contradictory of stated beliefs or feelings....so there you go...say one thing and then do another to fit your argument... which obviously you like to do talking about airplanes and things that don't even remotely have any comparison to a football team. And your last statement about one group talking about another group is hilarious because that is exactly what you just did .

Evidently my metaphor was a little difficult.

I do not have to be a GM to look at the results and suggest they are poor. I do not have to be a scout, nor coach to look at the results and see they are poor.

If you had been posting here for any length of time you would notice I say who I like, and then follow it with this comment "But I don't know anything about college ball since I don't follow it."

My commentary is about the decisions that have served up seventeen years of also-ran.

Pick a fight with someone else. You lost when you suggested I was touting players. I stopped doing that many years ago when the ones I liked sucked.

One last point...

say one thing and then do another to fit your argument... which obviously you like to do talking about airplanes and things that don't even remotely have any comparison to a football team. And your last statement about one group talking about another group is hilarious because that is exactly what you just did .

I am speaking about the team and their mistakes. You might want to be clear about what I am speaking about before responding.

 

[Hoofbite]

Most fan opinions are based on what the media says.

It's up to the team to arrive at their own conclusion.

If the team picks a hot name and the guy is a bust the team isn't guilty of simply answering the request of the fan base. They're guilty of misjudging the player.

They're paid to, and should be expected to, evaluate the players more accurately than the Average Joe.

If they miss on an OL pick they're responsible regardless of how many people on a message board want any particular player. Most people want OL. That's what I want and I want the best one they can get. Probably not far off from the rest of this team's fans. If that's Cooper, than I want Cooper. If it's Warmack, I want Warmack. I can't tell you myself who is better because I don't watch a lot of college football and don't keep up with it more than the occasional game. Ultimately the team is responsible for making the decision based on a wealth of knowledge that most of us can't even imagine.

I don't agree that when someone who shouldn't be expected to evaluate professional footballs is wrong that it frees those who should be expected to do so from guilt.

 

[Hoofbite]

Didn't the same talent evaluators draft guys like Ware, Witten, Claiborne, Lee, Bryant, etc?

How come we hear whining about them being frauds when the players they draft go bust, but we hear no cheering about them being geniuses when drafting guys that pan out in a big way?

Being labeled "frauds" is likely a bit much for the busts and "geniuses" is equally as inappropriate for any single home run pick as well.

Nobody should be judging based solely on the busts or solely on the home runs.

Whether or not a team is labeled good or bad at drafting should take into account all the picks; good, bad, and in between.

Having 5 home runs isn't going to overshadow a plethora of bad picks, just as having 5 bad picks won't overshadow a plethora of good picks. The names you listed (and Morris probably shouldn't even be there based on performance but I think he will eventually earn a spot) span an entire decade. I don't they can speak for an entire decade no matter how good they are. Just as a handful of duds wouldn't be a testament to how crappy Dallas is at drafting.

Thankfully the first 3 years of this decade and the last 3 years of the decade were far more fruitful than the middle 4, otherwise this team would have little more than nothing to show from that span.

 

[noshame]

I would be happy if we were able to trade out. With the lack of skill players in this draft I think many non skilled players will be drafted higher than they should. If we can at least trade down and fill a hole I'd be thrilled.

 

[jterrell]

What kind of nonsense thinking is that?

You are judged on your results. I don't give two bleeps if I wanted to draft the player or not. If we draft him and he busts, that falls on our two fraud talent evaluators.

It is grown folks thinking.

You don't ask for something then cry because you once you got it you didn't want it anymore. That is for 5 year olds.

Where Jerry does the obviously stupid; plenty of those examples over the years, so be it. Flame him. When he drafts exactly the guy the board has whined for or signed a free agent we all applauded then shut the heck up, man up and just admit it didn't work out.

 

[jterrell]

Most fan opinions are based on what the media says.

It's up to the team to arrive at their own conclusion.

If the team picks a hot name and the guy is a bust the team isn't guilty of simply answering the request of the fan base. They're guilty of misjudging the player.

They're paid to, and should be expected to, evaluate the players more accurately than the Average Joe.

If they miss on an OL pick they're responsible regardless of how many people on a message board want any particular player. Most people want OL. That's what I want and I want the best one they can get. Probably not far off from the rest of this team's fans. If that's Cooper, than I want Cooper. If it's Warmack, I want Warmack. I can't tell you myself who is better because I don't watch a lot of college football and don't keep up with it more than the occasional game. Ultimately the team is responsible for making the decision based on a wealth of knowledge that most of us can't even imagine.

I don't agree that when someone who shouldn't be expected to evaluate professional footballs is wrong that it frees those who should be expected to do so from guilt.

If you truly believe this line of thinking you should never comment on a draft pick until you see the results.

You clearly don't trust yourself to be intelligent enough to do so.

Personally I don;t hold anyone to a higher standard than I hold myself.
Tends to help avoid being a whining hypocrite.

 

[jterrell]

Being labeled "frauds" is likely a bit much for the busts and "geniuses" is equally as inappropriate for any single home run pick as well.

Nobody should be judging based solely on the busts or solely on the home runs.

Whether or not a team is labeled good or bad at drafting should take into account all the picks; good, bad, and in between.

Having 5 home runs isn't going to overshadow a plethora of bad picks, just as having 5 bad picks won't overshadow a plethora of good picks. The names you listed (and Morris probably shouldn't even be there based on performance but I think he will eventually earn a spot) span an entire decade. I don't they can speak for an entire decade no matter how good they are. Just as a handful of duds wouldn't be a testament to how crappy Dallas is at drafting.

Thankfully the first 3 years of this decade and the last 3 years of the decade were far more fruitful than the middle 4, otherwise this team would have little more than nothing to show from that span.

Rick Gossellin who is far from a Cowboys homer has shown Dallas ranks middle of the road in drafting the last decade. They are about where they should be given middle of the road draft status during that time.

A bad RW11 trade hurts us but all in all the draft hasn't been barren. Many of the drafts we cry about produced a number of NFL caliber players who simply werent good enough to resign for big money. The same guys who cry about the drafts though cry that Jerry overpays all his own guys... go figure.

I have zero time for pity parties. I am more than willing to discuss actual football thinking though. Hopefully we start to see more of that and less of the former.

 

[Vabeachboy]

Evidently my metaphor was a little difficult.

I do not have to be a GM to look at the results and suggest they are poor. I do not have to be a scout, nor coach to look at the results and see they are poor.

If you had been posting here for any length of time you would notice I say who I like, and then follow it with this comment "But I don't know anything about college ball since I don't follow it."

My commentary is about the decisions that have served up seventeen years of also-ran.

Pick a fight with someone else. You lost when you suggested I was touting players. I stopped doing that many years ago when the ones I liked sucked.

One last point...



I am speaking about the team and their mistakes. You might want to be clear about what I am speaking about before responding.

First of all I NEVER suggested YOU did anything! Get over yourself!
You came into MY post not the other way around.. and by the way don't dare ever talk to me with your condescending comment about posting "any length of time"...I've been here for years homeboy. I just don't say much unless it strikes me to do so. So don't judge a book by its cover. Just because I have low post count doesn't make me naive or uneducated.. I read almost every post on here. Most of them aren't even worth responding to. Much like anything else you decide to put on here..I'm done with you and your high and mighty post count...I'll just bow down and keep my mouth shut ol ' great one.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

It is grown folks thinking.

You don't ask for something then cry because you once you got it you didn't want it anymore. That is for 5 year olds.

Where Jerry does the obviously stupid; plenty of those examples over the years, so be it. Flame him. When he drafts exactly the guy the board has whined for or signed a free agent we all applauded then shut the heck up, man up and just admit it didn't work out.

This. It boggles my mind that people over a internet forum can't even take responsibility and admit they were wrong when they get what they want and still cry about it and blame someone else. It's kind of scary to think he is most likely the same way in RL. That's wrong with our great country of ours. (no sarcasm i love america)