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Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.
 
Cogan;3375885 said:
Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.

Sean Lee is more talented than Charles Brown position wise. He is easily a better pick than Brown.
 
I'll take an over-achiever vs. under-achiever any day. Brown was a classic under-achiever. Lets just be happy Dallas took best player available...drafting for need loads your team with mediocre players and u start to resemble the Lions.
 
Dallas inquired about Gaither weeks leading up to the draft. Dallas may look into that situation with Baltimore depending how many tackles get released in the next couple of weeks. Alot of Veterans are getting released beacuse it's a salary dump this year for high priced veterans.
 
Cogan;3375885 said:
Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.

Dallas was looking at more than just need. Who is to say the staff felt great about Brown as they did looked at him? Dallas will address the OL before the start of the season and that may be with a vet. Bottom line is they felt very high about Lee and went out and got him.
 
Cogan;3375885 said:
Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it?

Um do you read the threads that are on here? Tons of people have been saying/complaining about this all offseason.
 
Cogan;3375885 said:
Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Charles Brown was not one of the top 16 players in the draft on our draft board. Sean Lee was. Besides, ILB IS a need for this team. The only group of ILB's we have are Bradie James, Keith Brooking, Bobby Carpenter and Jason Williams.

Besides, we DID draft an OT in the draft, Ryan Young in the 6th round.

Cogan;3375885 said:
Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Well, first off 32 for an OL is not old. It is not uncommon at all for OL to play till 35-38 years of age..... Besides, we do have some young as well, we just drafted Ryan Young in the 6th round, and the OL who is actually an OT not OG in Robert Brewster that you made fun of....

And for the record, we did plan on drafting an OL in the 2nd round last year Max Unger, but Seattle traded up in front of us to pick him. None of the other OL available were worthy of a 2nd round DP on the Cowboys board.

Cogan;3375885 said:
Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.

We need OL depth, but we also NEED ILB depth, lets not forget that Keith Brooking is going to be 35 this year. And once again, Sean Lee was a top 16 player on our board, and also a player that Mike Singeltary viewed as "the best ILB to come out of the draft in the last 3 years."
 
I'd stay away from linemen in the 2nd round. Those are usually the guys who are 1st round talented but due to weight issues or underachieving they fell to the 2nd round. I'd prefer getting offensive line help in free agency.

People, the offseason isn't over. It was just the draft. Its a crap shoot looking for starters in the draft without a top 10 pick. Cowboys think they found two in Lee and Bryant and maybe even AOA. Pick the best player available and you'll find more success. Every year bad teams go for "need" and fail. Meanwhile, teams like the Ravens and Pats just draft the best player available and succeed.
 
I'm concerned about a lack of depth on the OL, but I'm not worried about our starter's ages. Many O-Linemen still produce at a high level until age 35 or 36. There are a lot of positions across the board where an injury would be devastating, not just on the O-Line. Besides, you keep talking about Tackle, but the bigger depth concern is at C/G. For all we know, Free is a pro bowl LT this season, Brewster is a solid backup RT now that he's healthy, and the rookie Young might even be a serviceable backup as a rookie. We just don't know.

I would love to see us bring in a good backup C/G, but we'll live either way. You have to worry about the team you're putting on the field when they are healthy before you can start worrying about trying to have a great backup for every position. Last I checked we needed an ILB. You talk about age, but if I recall correctly, Bradie is probably hitting age 30 by now and Brooking is like 35, so it's not like we just drafted a guy in the 2nd at a position where we're loaded.
 
kosier is our weakest link but he's a glue guy. wish we could find a glue guy who could also play at a higher level. getting bull rushed into tony is getting old.
 
Nexx;3375959 said:
kosier is our weakest link but he's a glue guy. wish we could find a glue guy who could also play at a higher level. getting bull rushed into tony is getting old.

Kosier is *not* our weakest link on the OL. Or at least I have a hard time believing that case when he consistently grades out as our top linemen. I think most of our fans just don't know what to look for in a guard and instinctively can't trust FA acquisitions from bad teams.

I doubt that we're the oldest OL in the league any more. Replacing Flo with Free should have put an end to that complaint, at least.

What I do know, is that there has been a small group of good posters complaining about OL depth and development for 3-4 years now while the reactionary crowd has been worrying about Tony Romo's workout habits and Miles Austin replacing TO. It took Flozell retiring to get people to overreact to the issues with the one position group on offense that's been screaming for attention for years. And then they overreact to Doug Free starting, when the real issue is the lack of developmental talent at the interior positions.
 
Idgit;3376007 said:
Kosier is *not* our weakest link on the OL. Or at least I have a hard time believing that case when he consistently grades out as our top linemen. I think most of our fans just don't know what to look for in a guard and instinctively can't trust FA acquisitions from bad teams.

I doubt that we're the oldest OL in the league any more. Replacing Flo with Free should have put an end to that complaint, at least.

What I do know, is that there has been a small group of good posters complaining about OL depth and development for 3-4 years now while the reactionary crowd has been worrying about Tony Romo's workout habits and Miles Austin replacing TO. It took Flozell retiring to get people to overreact to the issues with the one position group on offense that's been screaming for attention for years. And then they overreact to Doug Free starting, when the real issue is the lack of developmental talent at the interior positions.

Kosier was not out worst OL last year....remember when he missed the last half of the 2008 season and how much that hurt the team?

According to multiple sources, the Gurode and Bigg were the two worst OL last year.
 
Absolutely im concerned with no offensive line prospects but im pleased with the Cowboys strategy of taking quality players. I wish they would do that every year.

But our late season and playoff hopes rest squarely on the shoulders of our Offensive line.

Personally im scared to death of our O Line against any elite pass rushing team.
 
CATCH17;3376026 said:
Absolutely im concerned with no offensive line prospects but im pleased with the Cowboys strategy of taking quality players. I wish they would do that every year.

But our late season and playoff hopes rest squarely on the shoulders of our Offensive line.

Personally im scared to death of our O Line against any elite pass rushing team.

Which is why I was glad jerry stated we are not standing pat on the OL.
 
Nexx;3375959 said:
kosier is our weakest link but he's a glue guy. wish we could find a glue guy who could also play at a higher level. getting bull rushed into tony is getting old.


Kosier was our best offensive linemen last year, Davis and Gurode were the worst
 
CATCH17;3376026 said:
Absolutely im concerned with no offensive line prospects but im pleased with the Cowboys strategy of taking quality players. I wish they would do that every year.

I'm with you here. I was happy that they went with quality over quantity. But it begs the question, why didn't they do it in a thin drfat last season rather than drafting roughly a dozen "jags"?

It was great that they traded up for Bryant, it would have been even better had they done it with Max Unger last season. They did the year before with Mike Jenkins too and that worked out well also.

But our late season and playoff hopes rest squarely on the shoulders of our Offensive line.

Personally im scared to death of our O Line against any elite pass rushing team.

I'm scared of any type of injury to the starters. We have one or more of those and we're dead.
 
I am not worried at this time because there is still time before the season starts to add veteran help. However, if we go into the season with our current cast of players, count me amongst those that worry.
 
dallasfaniac;3376032 said:
I am not worried at this time because there is still time before the season starts to add veteran help. However, if we go into the season with our current cast of players, count me amongst those that worry.

I agree. I think what we see today as far as our OL and what we will see at training camp will not be the same. I tend to believe Jerry when he says they will look at a vet to help provide real backup help.
 
Cogan;3375885 said:
Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.

there's a lot of ways to address the need. the draft is only one of them.

we've also got brewster from previous drafts to see what he can do. just because we didn't draft an OL on day 1 or 2 doesn't mean we're ignoring the need.
 

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