No offensive line help... again...

[speedkilz88]

I have begun to think that these days, glitz draftees are more coveted than "need" draftees.

All about putting peeps in the seats.

How is to say jerra is wrong?

The day of the boring pick in the 1st thr 3rd rounds is pretty much over. OL draftees, more and more, are being taken in the later rounds and developed.
Well, it was a yawner of a draft for us, but Dez might be the pick that stops the yawns.

More beer is all I kin say.

So you prefer to take the lesser player? Dez Bryant was head and shoulders above the rest of the talent available at the end of that round. All the offensive linemen available were 2nd round grades or lower with Saffold being the highest. Talent wise Dez is the superior player.

 

[Stash]

And if they would have known that Seattle was going to trade ahead of them, they no doubt would have.... And right now, I am sure that they wish that they had. But, guess what everyone has to make judgment calls in the draft. Can I get said player here or do I have to trade up to get him. All teams do it, and not all teams trade up all the time to get a player, sometimes it is smarter to stay put and hope a player falls to you.

The year we drafted Felix Jones, the Titans were planning on drafting him instead of Chris Johnson, but they rolled the dice that he would make it to them, but he didn't.

If Dallas had it to do over again, knowing that Seattle was going to trade up if they stayed put, would they have tried to trade up, I am sure they would have. But they took the gable, that they felt very safe about at the time, that noone ahead of them would take Unger. In this case they lost the gamble, because Seattle traded ahead of them to get Unger.

Same thing happened with Baltimore this year wanting Dez Bryant, they figured that New England would not take a WR #1. So they felt safe that Dez Bryant would make it to them at #25. What they didn't anticipate, was that Dallas would trade with New England to get Dez Bryant.

It isn't that Dallas wasn't willing to trade up to get a player, they just made a judgment call, that they didn't need to trade up to get Max Unger. They guessed wrong. But guess what, so has every other team done before. It happens.

You're absolutely right about what you're saying.

Had they known they were going to lose him to Seattle, they surely would have been proactive.

My thinking is to make being aggressive more of the mind-set around here.

 

[Stash]

Go back and recheck. First, the 1st round pick was gone. Dallas had a winning record and not a high round pick in the second round. The team had SIX valid picks on their board and six picks BEFORE their pick, so no apparent reason to jump up to secure a pick. All six picks were taken before the actual pick of Dallas, and it then became necessary to trade down for better value going by THEIR board. That is the fortunes of War...not lack of addressing issues.

I don't need to recheck. I'm well aware that they didn't have a 1st rounder, that was wasted in the now infamous Roy Williams trade, one that I had completely agreed with at the time.

If they had their original pick, they could have drafted Michael Oher and had their LT for the next 10 years, but I digress.

Fact is that the Cowboys gambled and lost thinking that Unger would be there for them. And when he wasn't, they followed that blunder with another, trading out of the round for less than value and drafting a complete project ILB.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't need to recheck. I'm well aware that they didn't have a 1st rounder, that was wasted in the now infamous Roy Williams trade, one that I had completely agreed with at the time.

If they had their original pick, they could have drafted Michael Oher and had their LT for the next 10 years, but I digress.

Fact is that the Cowboys gambled and lost thinking that Unger would be there for them. And when he wasn't, they followed that blunder with another, trading out of the round for less than value and drafting a complete project ILB.

More likely they would have traded up for Jeremy Maclin. (which Jerry tried to do with the 2nd round pick when he started falling) He also was interested in Hakeem Nicks.

 

[jobberone]

I'm as happy about this year as I was unhappy about last year. We got great value with our first three picks. I'm sorry we didn't have a third round pick but I'm happy with Dez. I wouldn't trade the Dez pick for any of the OL picks left. We just picked too late to get a premier OL.

We'll have to address the OL needs of depth in FA. We haven't even seen the Jun 1 cuts. It's not time to panic although I share in some concern. It's center that is the most worrisome anyway. And the staff obviously isn't as worried about Proctor as I am.

This is a SB year and I don't think that fact strays too far from JJs mind. He addressed to biggest problem as best he could. It was not the offensive line that failed last year. It was the lack of points that caused us to play that game in MN. If we can score points at the rate we gained yards (nearly 500 per game) then we should be ok.

We have a killer schedule. We're going to need to score points esp on the road.

 

[Stash]

We'll have to address the OL needs of depth in FA. We haven't even seen the Jun 1 cuts.

I don't think the "June 1st cuts" exist anymore.

 

[jobberone]

I don't think the "June 1st cuts" exist anymore.

There is a difference I can't remember but the date still exists I think. I'll try and find out and post it.

 

[jobberone]

You're right. There is no advantage at all this year unless there is a roster bonus due after Jun 1 which is unlikely anymore. There is no cap this year for those with more than one year left. Jun 1 is a day for cuts still I believe. There just isn't going to be any advantage is cutting high priced veterans anymore.

 

[SMCowboy]

You're absolutely right about what you're saying.

Had they known they were going to lose him to Seattle, they surely would have been proactive.

My thinking is to make being aggressive more of the mind-set around here.

We are aggressive on draft day, we aggressively move both up and down depending on what is left on the board.

 

[Stash]

We are aggressive on draft day, we aggressively move both up and down depending on what is left on the board.

And I would counter that we've been agressive in every other year recently.

We were in 2008, weren't in 2009, and were again in 2010.

And I think the results bear out which approach has worked more effectively.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Isn't anyone concerned that we have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, & that we, once again, did nothing to address it? OT Charles Brown was sitting there at the #59 pick, yet we traded a 4th round pick to take LB Sean Lee. Lee & Brown had about the same grade, and Lord knows we need a LT a lot more than a LB.

Didn't we draft 4 LBs last draft? Also in that draft, we passed up two quality LTs in Will Beatty and Sebastian Vollmer in the 2nd rd. and then reached for an overweight OG from Ball St. in the 3rd. This team has not drafted an OT in the first two rounds of a draft since 2004. Just because it was a bust in Jacob Rogers at #52 doesn't mean you stop trying. Four out of the projected five starters next season will turn 32 before the end of the year. There is very little depth behind them.

Sean Lee was a good value pick, but it was not a great pick. A great pick is when you get good value in an area of need...and we sure NEED help on the offensive line. Not sure? Just watch when one of them goes down this fall.

we drafted value over need in this draft. Hopefully it doesn't bite us in the ***. I feel where you're coming from though.

 

[speedkilz88]

Teams will want to release players before June 1 this year so that their salaries don't get passed on to the next seasons potential cap.