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peplaw06

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GimmeTheBall!;1672050 said:
Yeah, but now he's OUR retread, bless his heart.


hey, I been meaning to ax you about your sig. That is the guy from the Office, right?
Why does he like that awfully homely girl in that office?
Can't he get a womin who at least looks feminine and not like . . . well, a manly woman?

Or maybe it is just odd casting. Go figure.
Yeah, that's ole Jim. And Jenna Fischer (aka Pam) is at the VERY least cute.... You should see Blades of Glory. There's not a whole lot to choose from at Dunder-Mifflin either.

BTW season premiere of The Office tomorrow night. Can't wait.
 

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No matter how you cut it, Norv took over a 14-2 team last year and this team looks bad this season. They are not just losing games they are not looking good at all and do not look like the same team. Is Norv fully to blame? of course not but as head coach he is responsible for the play of his team. Look at it this way if BP had the Cowboys at 14-2 last season and Wade came in and had the team playing poorly as SD is now I can promise you Cowboy fans would be crying bloody murder and wanting Wade gone.
 

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The passion of Norv -- or lack of it -- is hurting the Chargers
By Mark Kreidler
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Updated: September 25, 2007
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Here's something that won't be thumbtacked to the bulletin board in A.J. Smith's executive office at the San Diego Chargers' headquarters: Some of his players knew last week that the team wasn't ready to play its best game in Green Bay. The practice mood, they said, was just a little too passive. It was a little too calm. It was a little too … well, a little too Norv, if you want to get to the nubs of it.


Of course, you won't hear Smith agreeing with that, because doing so would contradict the GM's working theory that anyone not named Schottenheimer could take the talent on the San Diego roster and, by not mucking around in it too much, produce a great season along with -- shout-out to Marty here -- some real playoff success.


But whatever else can be said of Norv Turner as a football man, what is increasingly beyond dispute is that he's a submediocre head coach. In replacing the garrulous, emotional and sometimes overtly political Marty Schottenheimer after last season's sucker-punch playoff loss to New England, Smith turned to a man with a 58-82-1 record as the head coach of two franchises (make that 59-84-1 after the 1-2 start in San Diego that has led to the current unpleasantness).



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Three games into his stint at San Diego, Norv Turner already has found the hot seat.

Those previous stops, in Washington and Oakland, were unquestionably weird places to work, and the quality of Turner's rosters ebbed and flowed. But the one constant among those who played for him was their assessment, usually offered with great kindness because of Turner's almost universal likability, that the man was a wonderful … offensive coordinator.


Or, as one exasperated Raiders defensive back told me in 2005, as Turner's second season in Oakland spun inexorably toward the 4-12 finish that got him whacked: "He's just a real nice guy." Too bad it wasn't intended as a compliment.


Turner and his San Diego players, LaDainian Tomlinson in particular, have spent the past couple of days attempting to explain their 31-24 defeat to the Packers in strategic terms: The team needs to run more effectively, the blocking schemes are flawed, 24 points on the road really ought to be enough, etc. But that misses the bigger (but less tangible) point, which is that Turner's teams historically haven't prepared and played at the emotional clip necessary to win.


That's observational and surely subjective. But it's also supported by plenty of Turner's former (and some current) players, who over the years have clamored for more fire and brimstone from a man who, though he clearly loves the sport, just isn't the demonstrative type.



Raiders fans almost chuckled to themselves when Smith tapped Turner for the San Diego job. It was strange enough to see the Chargers dump a coach -- Schottenheimer, who had just gone 14-2 -- for the sin of losing to the Patriots in the playoffs. But going from Marty to Norv? That's taking an off-ramp from the emotional superhighway. Suddenly, Oakland looked as though it might not have made the riskiest coaching choice in the division by hiring a then-31-year-old USC assistant, Lane Kiffin.


If the Norv-emotional-preparedness issue wasn't clear prior to the 38-14 pasting by the Pats in Week 2, it became so during the days that followed. As the Chargers tried to get over the sting of that defeat and gear up to face Brett Favre at Lambeau Field, something was missing.


"[The intensity] wasn't quite where it needed to be," center Nick Hardwick told the San Diego Union-Tribune after the Packers game.


"You've got to get after it and decide who you're going to be as a team … We've got to pick up the intensity during the week. Wednesday, Thursday is key for us."


Wednesday and Thursday were the kinds of days when Schottenheimer shined. And while it's by no means too late for the Chargers to turn around this season, they must realize by now that they're operating in an entirely different space, with a different set of directions. When Tomlinson declared Monday, "I'm sick and tired of talking about last year. This is not last year," he said a mouthful.


It's funny: While Turner was busy getting his reputation knocked around in San Diego these first few weeks, the franchise for which he spent 2006 as offensive coordinator, San Francisco, saw itself questioned repeatedly about its sudden lack of imagination and flair on offense -- after winning its first two games. The consensus is that the 49ers (now 2-1 after losing to Pittsburgh) were a better unit with Mike Nolan doing the head coaching and Turner up in the box drawing plays -- that is, with Turner doing what he does best.


Bottom line: The Chargers are too talented to crater, and with Kansas City, Denver and Oakland coming up on the schedule, they have a chance to right themselves before their bye week Oct. 21.


On the other hand, they're trying to follow up 14-2 with two new coordinators and Norv Turner driving the bus. Watch out for that exit ramp.


Mark Kreidler's book "Four Days to Glory: Wrestling With the Soul of the American Heartland", has been optioned for film/TV development by ESPN Original Entertainment. His book "Kids of Summer," about the curious ability of one town to consistently produce Little League champions, will be released in July 2008. A regular contributor to ESPN.com, he can be reached at mark@markkreidler.com.
 

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Norv isn't just a head coach that loses ... he's a head coach that seems to consistently have chaos and mutiny in his lockerroom and sidelines. Whether it's Michael Westbrook pummeling Stephen Davis' face in during practice while the entire team watches or Randy Moss just giving up in the middle of play. Jerry Rice said that Norv had absolutely no control over the Raiders lockerroom. The finger pointing, bickering, and sideline fights have already started in San Diego. He just doesn't seem to command respect from his players.

You never heard those stories with Schottenheimer ...anywhere. And the thing about "not winning the big one" ... they said the same thing about Tony Dungy before last year, and Bill Cowher the year before that. Did they just wake up one morning and suddenly figure out how to win the big one? Nope, it's just about having the right team at the right time.
 

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InmanRoshi;1672223 said:
Norv isn't just a head coach the losses ... he's a head coach that seems to consistently have chaos and mutiny in his lockerroom and sidelines. Whether it's Michael Westbrook pummeling Stephen Davis' face in during practice while the entire team watches or Randy Moss just giving up in the middle of play. Jerry Rice said that Norv had absolutely no control over the Raiders lockerroom. The finger pointing, bickering, and sideline fights have already started in San Diego. He just doesn't seem to command respect from his players.
You know... you would think that ole Norvall would realize that if EVERYONE is saying these types of things about you, you might try to change your approach.

He got this in Washington and Jerry Rice (!!!) called him out in Oakland. Rice isn't exactly known for speaking out like that.

Then Norv goes interviewing for a new head coaching gig, and voila, the same old issues arise. At some point you have to think that if you have a football genius mind, but aren't being successful, then something needs to change.

You'd think that if he really cared, he would.
 

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I feel so bad for LT. The dude sounds so unhappy about the situation. I didn’t think a coach could screw up a 14-2 team this fast.
 

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peplaw06;1672236 said:
You know... you would think that ole Norvall would realize that if EVERYONE is saying these types of things about you, you might try to change your approach.

He got this in Washington and Jerry Rice (!!!) called him out in Oakland. Rice isn't exactly known for speaking out like that.

Then Norv goes interviewing for a new head coaching gig, and voila, the same old issues arise. At some point you have to think that if you have a football genius mind, but aren't being successful, then something needs to change.

You'd think that if he really cared, he would.

I agree you think he would have changed his approach somewhat. I really thought SD would be the perfect fit for him with the weapons on offense that he has but thus far LT looks completely frustrated and has been unable to do much in Norvs offense. If Norv can't get it done in SD I don't think he will get another chance.
 

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peplaw06;1672236 said:
You know... you would think that ole Norvall would realize that if EVERYONE is saying these types of things about you, you might try to change your approach.

He got this in Washington and Jerry Rice (!!!) called him out in Oakland. Rice isn't exactly known for speaking out like that.

Then Norv goes interviewing for a new head coaching gig, and voila, the same old issues arise. At some point you have to think that if you have a football genius mind, but aren't being successful, then something needs to change.

You'd think that if he really cared, he would.

I just don't think it's in him. I don't think he has the type of alpha male personality or presence that demands respect. He never had to worry about it in Dallas, because Jimmy took care of that. I think he's at his best when he's just drawing up plays on the chalkboard.
 

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I side with the "AJ is a nutcase" crowd: dismiss a 14-2 coach because you lost in the championship, and prefer your DC leaves so "your guy" can be the new one.

That's really working out well. They'd better hope these next 3 games turn their season around, because they caught a lot of breaks in their schedule last year.

If it doesn't, Norv will never get a shot as an NFL HC again. The evidence will be insurmountable.
 

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about Tony and the deep out...

No it's not his best pass- by far it's his worse... however.... Romo is so precise in between the hash marks and his deep ball is so phenomenal wherever it is thrown that OPPOSING DEFENSES RARELY DEFEND the deep out vs Dallas....

cases in point. T.O., Glenn left standing on the sidelines while Tony bought time vs Atlanta... Hurd, all by himself on the sideline vs Bears.

The deep out is the escape route for the Cowboys now, not a staple. By the time Tony gets his feet set on a scramble, he usually has someone wide open because they fear the deep seam routes and underneath passes he throws with laser precision and speed.
 
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