Not a fan of re-signing Spencer

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

Why? Age. Not just his age (29) but also accounting Wares age (30). If we Re-sign Spencer then we will have to draft or sign FA in 2 DE spots within the next 3 years. Anybody else like the idea of that? Give me Ansah if we dont go OL first round. Our DL is getting old quick, have to start drafting for it and even though Spencer will be a better player this year then whoever we pick I'd rather save the money and get younger

 

[lostar2009]

we might as well we resign everyone else

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Give me Ansah if we dont go OL first round.

And what's plan B incase Ansah isn't available or we go OL in round 1?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And what's plan B incase Ansah isn't available or we go OL in round 1?

Yup at the very least we need to franchise Spencer.

 

[Wood]

Why? Age. Not just his age (29) but also accounting Wares age (30). If we Re-sign Spencer then we will have to draft or sign FA in 2 DE spots within the next 3 years. Anybody else like the idea of that? Give me Ansah if we dont go OL first round. Our DL is getting old quick, have to start drafting for it and even though Spencer will be a better player this year then whoever we pick I'd rather save the money and get younger

fans are short-sighed. I believe Spencer is same age that Ratliff was during his extension. I don't see anyone around who thinks that worked out well. But its the nature of fans and team idolization - they want to be fed now.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

And what's plan B incase Ansah isn't available or we go OL in round 1?

I'm all for OL round 1-7 haha we need major major help there but if we dont I won't be mad with a DE in rounds 1 or 2. They were just comparing Ansah to Pierre Paul, cant be mad with that

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

fans are short-sighed. I believe Spencer is same age that Ratliff was during his extension. I don't see anyone around who thinks that worked out well. But its the nature of fans and team idolization - they want to be fed now.

Ratliff wore down playing a position that he was undersized for. Barber was a RB. RW11 was never really any good.

Spencer over the next 4 seasons will be 29 30 31 32. I think no matter what the deal is we can cut him after 4 years. That seems like all within a players prime to me.

Ware is here 3 more years and Romo 3 or 4. I mentioned this in another thread but in 3 or 4 years time their $30+, is coming off the cap. I think you have to try and keep what you have and build on it.

That does not mean trading away for second rounders but keeping the guys we have that we know are good. I just mean that not trying to resign Spencer at all feels like rebuilding.

 

[Nirvana]

"The number I have in mind is much less than he's going to take.'' ~ Jerry today


The debate is over. He is out of here.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm all for OL round 1-7 haha we need major major help there but if we dont I won't be mad with a DE in rounds 1 or 2. They were just comparing Ansah to Pierre Paul, cant be mad with that

I bet Ryan Leaf had some nice comparisons too, either way, what is your plan at DE if Ansah is gone at 18 or we go O-line in round 1, like you hinted at?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ware is here 3 more years and Romo 3 or 4. I mentioned this in another thread but in 3 or 4 years time their $30+, is coming off the cap. I think you have to try and keep what you have and build on it.

And this is what it comes down to for me as well. I don't care about cap hell in 4-6 years. Cap hell, at worst is a 2-3 year purge of veterans and older players and if your lucky, you are bad enough to get a few high draft picks. Given our last 3 years, 8-8, 8-8 and 6-10, I can't say it's that much worse. And yes, I remember the three straight 5-11 seasons (2 of which we had already traded our first round pick) and yes, I can sit through that if it means getting a shot at a Super Bowl. And I'm not saying Anthony Spencer is the difference between us getting there or not, but he's far better than Tyrone Crawford at this point and I'd rather focus on other positions in the draft than DE. Our window, if it's even open, is very small and it's time to go all in or fold (trade all vets not on rookie deals for draft picks) and there's really no logical argument against Anthony Spencer making this team better and there really aren't too many attractive free agents out there who we won't be able to sign, because we chose Spencer.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I bet Ryan Leaf had some nice comparisons too, either way, what is your plan at DE if Ansah is gone at 18 or we go O-line in round 1, like you hinted at?

Find a DE round 2. I don't know a ton of names off the top of my head but everyone has been saying this draft is filled with OL and DL guys

 

[TheRomoSexual]

fans are short-sighed. I believe Spencer is same age that Ratliff was during his extension. I don't see anyone around who thinks that worked out well. But its the nature of fans and team idolization - they want to be fed now.

Basing an overarching opinion on a singular recent example is the epitome of short-sightedness.

 

[Eskimo]

My big issue with Spencer is that he is just not good at beating OTs for sacks. Or at the very least he is not a proven enough player for me at DE to commit to a $10M/yr deal for multiple years to him at age 29.

I'd much rather just try and get a young vet off another team next year in FA (age 26 or 27) or try to develop an in-house option by spending a high draft pick or two this year. That way we're far less likey to get with two declining and expensive players on the DL at the same time.

I'd actually like to extend Hatcher for 2 or 3 more years then try to re-sign Spencer. Hatcher is more of a power player who just seems to be coming into his own late in his career. He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on his body for a 31 year old as he had been a backup for the most part until the last 2 years. I also think we could get him for a much smaller amount as he would likely be motivated to get a signing bonus at this stage of his career than face an uncertain market at age 32 and a career high of only 5 sacks. I wonder if we could float the idea of 3 years and 5M/yr with a $5M signing bonus to him in TC and see if he bites.

What we really need is just to luck out on someone on the roster. I really hope that we can get some production out of someone like Crawford or Bass who is young and can shore up a spot for us for awhile.

 

[MonsterD]

And what's plan B incase Ansah isn't available or we go OL in round 1?

Draft Carradine or Jenkins,or Jones, rotate guys like Hatcher and Crawford, get a FA someone that can be situational like Freeney. See what also is available next year in FA too.

 

[sonnyboy]

The odds certainly don't favor him resigning with us. Jones will make him a fair offer based on his good yet not great play. Problem is there's almost always at least one team with a need great enough to overpay.

It really comes down to how much more he's offered. I'm certain he doesn't break the bank. No one will come close to what he wants.

Sometimes these things go sour. Spencer has it in his head that he's worth X. Lets assume that X is 5yrs 60mil. Jerry's probably thinking more like 4yrs 32mil tops. I know I am.

Spencer probably gets 5yrs 40mil with a similar amount guaranteed to leave and takes it for spite and or pride.

 

[sonnyboy]

My big issue with Spencer is that he is just not good at beating OTs for sacks. Or at the very least he is not a proven enough player for me at DE to commit to a $10M/yr deal for multiple years to him at age 29.

I'd much rather just try and get a young vet off another team next year in FA (age 26 or 27) or try to develop an in-house option by spending a high draft pick or two this year. That way we're far less likey to get with two declining and expensive players on the DL at the same time.

I'd actually like to extend Hatcher for 2 or 3 more years then try to re-sign Spencer. Hatcher is more of a power player who just seems to be coming into his own late in his career. He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on his body for a 31 year old as he had been a backup for the most part until the last 2 years. I also think we could get him for a much smaller amount as he would likely be motivated to get a signing bonus at this stage of his career than face an uncertain market at age 32 and a career high of only 5 sacks. I wonder if we could float the idea of 3 years and 5M/yr with a $5M signing bonus to him in TC and see if he bites.

What we really need is just to luck out on someone on the roster. I really hope that we can get some production out of someone like Crawford or Bass who is young and can shore up a spot for us for awhile.

Good post. You know what it really comes down to? Fitting a round peg into a square hole, Well maybe not square, but certainly oval. And an expensive round peg at that.

We all hate losing good players. But you have to maximize your cap dollars and the simple truth is Spencer is a better SOLB in a 3-4 than he's likely to be a strong side DE in a 4-3 scheme.

And since we're competing with 3-4 teams for his services, how can we possibly win that compensation battle?

 

[fatboygixxer]

Spencer admitted to taking plays off back in 2010, he was a first rounder who waited until his contract year to play like one..let the guy walk...

 

[HoosierCowboy]

I would trade him for maybe a second or third round pick but keep him for less, but at this point we do not know how the D is going to fit together--I think we will be much, much improved with starters back and guys knowing what the heck they are supposed to do without pausing to think about asignments

 

[Dhragon]

Since when do we need prime cut ribeye at every position on the defense?

Even if we don't resign Spencer, our defense should still be better than prior year's if we do better on the injury front. A healthy Ware, Lee and Carter > Spencer. Plus, I bet after a little adjustment, Kiffin will end up being far superior to Ryan. Not resigning Spencer means being able to sign a couple lesser but better fitting talents in a 4-3 defense. They may not be better players than Spencer, but each might be as effective if they fit better. A possible 2-for-1 maybe.

Then they can go O-line in the first after they slip Jerry some sleeping pills in the Warroom on draft day.

 

[Doomsday]

Im not a fan of paying him big dollars either, too many other holes. He is a good player but not worth the money he will command on the open market.