Not enamoured with WR prospects

[CowboyoWales]

I think they’re being more open to different types this year seeing as they’ve met with most of the 1st round guys. If WR is the BPA at a value position cool, if not, also cool.

I could get on board with Kincaid but not a big fan of any of the other TEs at 26.

And RB is going to be a hard firm no.

So what you've just said is that you dont want Kincaid nor a RB at 26.....however, I bet there are a number of WR's you'd take. You're admitting we need receiving help, but then insist on the positional value of a WR (even though he may not have the skillset that MM is looking for in a receiving option HIS new Offense).

They probably met with a lot of the WR's to look at the question marks as much as the positives. As someone said earlier in the thread, at 26 it looks like we could be left with a boom-bust WR at 26.

 

[cnuball21]

So what you've just said is that you dont want Kincaid nor a RB at 26.....however, I bet there are a number of WR's you'd take. You're admitting we need receiving help, but then insist on the positional value of a WR (even though he may not have the skillset that MM is looking for in a receiving option HIS new Offense).

They probably met with a lot of the WR's to look at the question marks as much as the positives. As someone said earlier in the thread, at 26 it looks like we could be left with a boom-bust WR at 26.

I literally just said I’d get on board with Kincaid at 26. He’s a top 20 player according to most I just wish we had some athletic numbers.

And yes, there are a number of WRs I’d take at 26 if they are BPA at a money position. I think you’re over complicating it. We need receivers that can get open and catch the ball…like most teams. In MMs offense prior it was a lot of 9s, slants and flats which is very simple stuff. We’ll probably mix in some concepts from Kellens O but it doesn’t change the “type” of WR we have to have.

 

[CATCH17]

Hyatt has no play strength. Can't cut. Little YAC ability. With Vols he's never needed beat press coverage (which is likely to be a huge challenge). Has never shown he can run more than 3 or 4 routes! Notably he refused to test on 3-cone, which would expose a big limitation.

Hyatt is fast, decent height, can track with good hands. NFL defenses are too smart and athletic to let him get deep much, and that's about all Hyatt has.

Stretching the defense has value, so middle/late 2nd round makes sense.

Is Hyatt the next DJ Chark is my question.

 

[morasp]

14 in Dane Brugler's top 100 and that doesn't even include Tank Dell, Charlie Jones, or Bryce Ford-Wheaton. Edge is the only position with more players in the top 100.

NFL has 8 with starter grades and had 5 last year. There are 11 with higher grades than Gallup and Tolbert.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I literally just said I’d get on board with Kincaid at 26. He’s a top 20 player according to most I just wish we had some athletic numbers.

And yes, there are a number of WRs I’d take at 26 if they are BPA at a money position. I think you’re over complicating it. We need receivers that can get open and catch the ball…like most teams. In MMs offense prior it was a lot of 9s, slants and flats which is very simple stuff. We’ll probably mix in some concepts from Kellens O but it doesn’t change the “type” of WR we have to have.

Aren't there a number of RB's with slot catching ability? I'm sure Gibbs is, and if the receivers left are predominantly slot only wouldn't his flex be a consideration, especially in a 21 Personnel where we have multiple options.
Yep sorry on the Kincaid point.

 

[cnuball21]

Aren't there a number of RB's with slot catching ability? I'm sure Gibbs is, and if the receivers left are predominantly slot only wouldn't his flex be a consideration, especially in a 21 Personnel where we have multiple options.
Yep sorry on the Kincaid point.

Sure, but zero warrant the selection at 26.

If the 1st round WRs are wiped at 26 and isn’t BPA then you take whatever player fell at the money position.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Sure, but zero warrant the selection at 26.

If the 1st round WRs are wiped at 26 and isn’t BPA then you take whatever player fell at the money position.

Which 1st RD WR's do you actually have?
I think MM will have an idea of what he wants and let's be fair at 26 (in this draft), the WR is going to have holes in his game.
I don't think we'll draft a slot only receiver as it will reduce CeeDee and Cooks potency and Johnson is potentially a hands like feet Gallup close.
Flowers defo and now Brugler highlighted Hyatts seperation is as much about initial burst as it is down field I'm in (though I suppose he'd have to be put in motion a lot, something I like in CeeDee's game).

 

[gtb1943]

massively underwhelmed by the so called first rd WRs this year

 

[cnuball21]

Which 1st RD WR's do you actually have?
I think MM will have an idea of what he wants and let's be fair at 26 (in this draft), the WR is going to have holes in his game.
I don't think we'll draft a slot only receiver as it will reduce CeeDee and Cooks potency and Johnson is potentially a hands like feet Gallup close.
Flowers defo and now Brugler highlighted Hyatts seperation is as much about initial burst as it is down field I'm in (though I suppose he'd have to be put in motion a lot, something I like in CeeDee's game).

Flowers, Addison and JSN are my locks. I’m luke warm on Johnston and am higher on Hyatt than most due to how much I think his speed could do for our offense.

 

[phildadon86]

For me, it’s Flowers, Mingo, or Rakim Jarrett (my sleeper) or bust.

There are other receivers I like at different spots in the draft (Tre Tucker, Rashee Rice, etc.) but am not completely enamored with.

I wouldn’t be mad if we nabbed JSN but I’m not pining away for him.

I’m still on the Tolbert train. Kid was a beast with translatable skills coming out of S. Alabama. I really was shocked he struggled as much as he did to catch on. Granted, you can’t tell what’s between the ears.

Love Jarrett. I also like Reed. I think Reed is exactly what Dak likes. The guy gets open at every level of the field. Hes literally always open lol.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Flowers, Addison and JSN are my locks. I’m luke warm on Johnston and am higher on Hyatt than most due to how much I think his speed could do for our offense.

I left JSN off as I think he's the consensus 26 and is probably the only WR definitely off the board.
Addison's routes vrs Hyatts elite speed and Flowers all round versatility.

 

[cnuball21]

I left JSN off as I think he's the consensus 26 and is probably the only WR definitely off the board.
Addison's routes vrs Hyatts elite speed and Flowers all round versatility.

We’ll see. I think Flowers is the 1st off the board to the Pats. It’s hard to rank these WRs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I would be ok just takig flyer on a late round WR.

Name​	Bryce Ford-Wheaton​
College​	West Virginia​
Height​	6036​
Weight​	221​
10Yrd​	1.52​
40Yrd​	4.38​
VJ​	41​
BJ​	10'09"​
Shuttle​	4.15​
Cone​	6.97​

I agree. Get the te this year and the back.

 

[Spottswoode]

If we draft a RB like Bijan early, I’m working Pollard primarily from the slot during camp. Bijan would be my lead horse but Pollard is too much of a playmaker to gather dust while making 10M. Pollard can still get some backup carries and he may not like it but that’s his best chance for meaningful time. It would make drafting Bijan more palatable if you could help solve some of the receiving concerns and get 2 playmakers from 1 pick. I’m not sure how difficult the transition would be but many of these prospects have histories of limited route trees.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lamb, Cooks, Gallup and the TE’s that the QB likes. How many targets is a rookie WR going to get?

 

[cnuball21]

Lamb, Cooks, Gallup and the TE’s that the QB likes. How many targets is a rookie WR going to get?

Ideally more than Gallup so we can get out of his ridiculous contract next year.

 

[xwalker]

If we draft a RB like Bijan early, I’m working Pollard primarily from the slot during camp. Bijan would be my lead horse but Pollard is too much of a playmaker to gather dust while making 10M. Pollard can still get some backup carries and he may not like it but that’s his best chance for meaningful time. It would make drafting Bijan more palatable if you could help solve some of the receiving concerns and get 2 playmakers from 1 pick. I’m not sure how difficult the transition would be but many of these prospects have histories of limited route trees.

They've never given Pollard extensive reps as a slot WR.
- He was as much WR as RB in college.
- Maybe the exit of Kellen Moore changes that, but it seems unlikely.

 

[xwalker]

In my opinion, you have to look harder in this draft at the WRs.

True, there aren't an abundant amount of so-called #1s. But several of these guys will have productive NFL careers.

Two of my favorite later round picks are Andrei Iosivas and Jalen Moreno Cropper.

In one mock draft, I was torn between taking Vorhees in the 5th or Cropper.. I tried to land Cropper in the 6th and he didn't make it, so I took Iosivas instead, who has his own reasons for being a decent prospect.

Here's the link to how that simulation went down, if anyone cares.

I've said this before. This isn't the most awe inspiring WR draft as far as prototypes. But there are some good players coming out this year.

LINK: https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/user-mock-drafts/2023/user-mock-1468922

Teams are not going to change their plans based on late round picks.

Each late round pick is like buying 1 more raffle ticket.
- If a team hits on 2 of of 10 then they're doing well.

Andrei Iosivas

Height:​	6031​
Weight:​	205​
Hand:​	08 3/4​
Arm:​	32​
Wingspan:​	76 3/4​
40 Yard Dash (ET):​	4.43​
40 Yard Dash (HH):​	4.39​
20 Yard (ET):​	2.54​
20 Yard (HH):​	2.46​
10 Yard (ET):​	1.5​
10 Yard (HH):​	1.47​
225 Lb. Bench Reps:​	19​
Vertical Jump:​	39​
Broad Jump:​	10'08"​
20 Yrd Shuttle:​	4.12​
3-Cone Drill:​	6.85​

 

[Cowboyny]

I'm not touching any 1st rd receiver this yr, they all look like #2 types, you use a top pick for a future #1 only.

 

[Spottswoode]

They've never given Pollard extensive reps as a slot WR.
- He was as much WR as RB in college.
- Maybe the exit of Kellen Moore changes that, but it seems unlikely.

I agree and was just thinking about how to keep another playmaker on the field. I guess it depends on how the draft works out but if we get a quality back who will cut into Pollard’s time, I hope McCarthy considers looking at him as our version of a mini Deebo. It was painful to see him lose field time to Emmitt but understand he is not ideal as an every down back.