Not your usual coaching question

[coult44]

Lots of talk here the last few days for obvious reasons. Most of the criticism being given to our HC and OC is self inflicted and well deserved, but I want to take a closer look for some of you who are really into this type of thing.
Here is a short series of questions for you really smart football gurus.
Are pro players supposed to get better from coaching? Is their development as a player expexted to be done individually once they are drafted, or does it come with the coaching they get once they arrive? I totally get that scheming and gameplannimg is where the majority of time and resources are spent, there are just so many days in a week the team can even practice, so when is there even time for one on one practice or player development? Or is that another duty for a private or personal trainer? This leads to my next questions. Have y'all seen any players get better during any given time period with this current staff? From game to game, year to year. Rookie to Fifth year? ETC?– What player(s) did we draft or acquire that have got better based on the coaching they received by this staff?

 

[Captain-Crash]

Troy said it best, "you don't get accuracy once you reach the NFL. You either have it or you don't" What coach or guru can fix accuracy problems? Can better receivers fix accuracy problems and fear?

 

[noshame]

The kid was accurate his rookie season. They changed his throwing motion and now hes not. I don't think you can put the genie back in the bottle. Clearly he has no faith in himself and hangs on to the ball that split second too long. Some Q b's are like kickers and once you're inside their head they don't come back, that may be the case.
That said good coaching staffs build on success Sure you'll have the occasion set back game but for the most part the arrow continues to point up.
These arse clowns continue to bounce up-and-down from week to week which is a sure sign of coaches with their head firmly up their backsides.
that's all I will be saying on this subject.
I believed the hype that some respected people on this board tossed out when Jason was hired but obviously he was just people's pet cat.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Troy said it best, "you don't get accuracy once you reach the NFL. You either have it or you don't" What coach or guru can fix accuracy problems? Can better receivers fix accuracy problems and fear?

Troy's accuracy sucked his last 4 years (1997-2000).

I wonder why? Hmm...

 

[Captain-Crash]

couldn't been from all those concussions. What does it matter what he done those years? He's not playing. He's not choking from fear from pressure. Better wide receivers are not going to help. He couldn't hit stationary targets at chucky cheese. lmao.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Troy said it best, "you don't get accuracy once you reach the NFL. You either have it or you don't" What coach or guru can fix accuracy problems? Can better receivers fix accuracy problems and fear?

Since you are QUOTING Troy, where in his statement is said this.......

 

[Captain-Crash]

pretty sure he said that during a game. who said I was taking it from a tweet.

 

[CF74]

Timing and anticipation comes with time, something they all just don’t have together coupled with being rattled and inaccurate and you get these results. Still say Dak is a runner and you got to get him moving so he can calm down those nerves, this is on the coaches first, Dak second, and then some of it is on the receivers last of all...

 

[Rockport]

Troy said it best, "you don't get accuracy once you reach the NFL. You either have it or you don't" What coach or guru can fix accuracy problems? Can better receivers fix accuracy problems and fear?

I don’t believe Troy that you can’t get more accurate. As Spock would say, “that’s illogical”. Troy was one of the most accurate passers so he’s a little biased. There are accuracy drills that if practice will certainly improve your accuracy.

 

[menolian]

Back to the initial question, the coaches job in the NFL is to take the best athletes and try to coach the stupid out of them. All their life some of these players were allowed to just be since they were so much bigger and better. Go to any HS game and see how many body catchers you see, none.
For the easiest example remember Alex Barron guys work that size aren't a dime a dozen but no coach from HS, college and the pros could get him to sink his hips and learn how to block without reaching and grabbing. Yet he going around the NFL for years and was a first round draft pick.

 

[Future]

Troy's accuracy sucked his last 4 years (1997-2000).

I wonder why? Hmm...

This was a dumb point when you said it in the other thread, and remains so.

Aikman Comp%:

2000 - 15th
1999 - 9th
1998 - 8th
1997 - 16th
avg - 12th
Dak Comp %:

2016 - 4th
2017 - 13th
2018 - 28th
avg - 15th

Compared to the rest of the league, Dak has been worse than Troy in his last 4 years. So I don't know what you're trying to prove.

 

[Future]

I don’t believe Troy that you can’t get more accurate. As Spock would say, “that’s illogical”. Troy was one of the most accurate passers so he’s a little biased. There are accuracy drills that if practice will certainly improve your accuracy.

You can't get more accurate, but you can get more consistent. I think that's probably the difference.

 

[Rockport]

You can't get more accurate, but you can get more consistent. I think that's probably the difference.

Why can't you get more accurate?

 

[Sydla]

Has there been an upper level QB in recent times that became significantly more accurate in the NFL? Has there been a QB that came out of college with the knock of being pretty inaccurate who then became a very accurate passer in the NFL?

Honest question.

 

[Diehardblues]

couldn't been from all those concussions. What does it matter what he done those years? He's not playing. He's not choking from fear from pressure. Better wide receivers are not going to help. He couldn't hit stationary targets at chucky cheese. lmao.

The bigger point is he got better. Dak is getting worse.

 

[Diehardblues]

We’ll see in a few years how all these Dak supporters are doing with similar results.

 

[Doomsday]

You can't get more accurate, but you can get more consistent. I think that's probably the difference.

Yea, his footwork is horrible at times. If you watch just his feet you can usually tell when a ball is going to sail on him.

Romo could get away with the throwing off his back foot because he practiced throwing from crazy angles etc quite a bit.

Dak doesn't have his arm talent and pays for his lack of fundamentals..

 

[Future]

Why can't you get more accurate?

B/c if you've been throwing a ball for 10 years, it is what it is. You can get more consistent though, and that materializes as better accuracy numbers.

I think the biggest factor with accuracy is vision and the ability to see where to put the ball for your WR to make a play. Any QB in the league can stick it in a guy's chest, but that's not what the NFL is. This is where Dak struggles and where, say, Drew Brees is great. A guy like Josh Allen isn't going to get more accurate, he's made some of the most accurate throws you can...but he has miles to go in his consistency.

 

[Future]

Yea, his footwork is horrible at times. If you watch just his feet you can usually tell when a ball is going to sail on him.

Romo could get away with the throwing off his back foot because he practiced throwing from crazy angles etc quite a bit.

Dak doesn't have his arm talent and pays for his lack of fundamentals..

Yea, Dak just isn't a natural thrower of the football and it looks like a very learned motion for him. So when one piece of the mechanics goes wrong, accuracy gets poor.

 

[America's Cowboy]

This was a dumb point when you said it in the other thread, and remains so.

Aikman Comp%:

2000 - 15th
1999 - 9th
1998 - 8th
1997 - 16th
avg - 12th
Dak Comp %:

2016 - 4th
2017 - 13th
2018 - 28th
avg - 15th

Compared to the rest of the league, Dak has been worse than Troy in his last 4 years. So I don't know what you're trying to prove.

At 56%-59% completion percentages during Troy's last 4 years, you are going to call that good???

Yet, you use such ridiculous ranks during those years as your way to support your point? All that tells me is that Troy ranked as high during those years because the most of the league's passing must have sucked.

Boy, you and the other haters certainly must do better than that. Anything passing completions % below 60% is bad. Very bad. No matter how you slice it.

So explain to me how a stud and accurate passer like Troy sucked so poorly with his passing completions percentages during his last 4 years if he was one of the best of his era and supposed to make his receivers betters, according to y'alls theory? Hmm???

What happened there, geniuses? Your theory doesn't work, does it? Maybe, just maybe, Troy needed that Great Wall of Dallas to give him time to find and throw to his receivers? Even then, maybe just maybe he also needed his previous stud receivers of Irvin, Harper and Novacek? If not, what happened during his last 4 years!?!?