Notre Dame investigates academic fraud

[joseephuss]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-dame-investigates-cheating-scandal/14116413/

Notre Dame investigates academic fraud, removes four players

Notre Dame has removed four likely starters from its football team in the midst of an investigation into academic fraud, a person with knowledge of the investigation who was not authorized to speak publicly told USA TODAY Sports.

The players are receiver DaVaris Daniels, defensive back KeiVarae Russell, defensive lineman Ishaq Williams and linebacker Kendall Moore, the person said. It is unclear if their removal is permanent or whether they might be able to return to the team.

The university issued a news release Friday acknowledging the investigation. At a news conference Friday evening, athletic director Jack Swarbrick confirmed the identity of the four players under investigation.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Love it! Couldnt happen to a better school.

Penn State went down and it would be great for this Notre Dame scandal to blow up big also.

 

[joseephuss]

I doubt it will. it's ND. They have already kicked guys off the team. They also say they will be willing to vacate any wins in games these guys participated. The NCAA will be fine with those results. If it does end up growing bigger, the worse outcome is Brian Kelly losing his job. Nothing more and if he has a poor record this season he may be on the hot seat anyway.

 

[joseephuss]

The cheating supposedly goes back three seasons. Sounds like someone at ND was doing a good job of hiding it for a while.

 

[burmafrd]

The cheating supposedly goes back three seasons. Sounds like someone at ND was doing a good job of hiding it for a while.

lets be honest: cheating goes on all the time at every school everywhere. Its just a matter of how hard the school looks for it. ND apparently looks a lot harder than Alabama, FSU, UNC,etc,

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Roll Tide. We don't cheat.

I'm sure schools of every size very easily could have this same problem.

 

[joseephuss]

lets be honest: cheating goes on all the time at every school everywhere. Its just a matter of how hard the school looks for it. ND apparently looks a lot harder than Alabama, FSU, UNC,etc,

Sure let's be honest. This stuff and more happens on a wide scale in college football and especially amongst the big programs. ND just got caught. They aren't coming forward out of the goodness in their heart. They were forced to do so because they got caught. They are trying to avoid bigger penalties by kicking guys off the team and saying they will vacate wins. We all know vacating wins is not a big deal. Hiding things from this point would make matters worse, but obviously someone at ND was hiding things up to this point.

 

[coogrfan]

Sure let's be honest. This stuff and more happens on a wide scale in college football and especially amongst the big programs. ND just got caught. They aren't coming forward out of the goodness in their heart. They were forced to do so because they got caught. They are trying to avoid bigger penalties by kicking guys off the team and saying they will vacate wins. We all know vacating wins is not a big deal. Hiding things from this point would make matters worse, but obviously someone at ND was hiding things up to this point.

Umm...ND initiated the investigation. The NCAA is not involved in any way. How is that an example of "ND getting caught"?

 

[joseephuss]

Umm...ND initiated the investigation. The NCAA is not involved in any way. How is that an example of "ND getting caught"?

I didn't say anything about the NCAA. They are always the last to know. They have never led an investigation until a majority of the news was already out. Notre Dame didn't come up with this information on their own. Someone reported it to them. That is getting caught.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I hope whatever college team you like goes 0-12. Tell me which one so I can root for whoever owns them.

Probably your school would try and hide it like UNC did for over a year before finally admitting it was true. ND stands right up and puts it out front. Can you imagine ALabama, Florida State, etc doing this. Though I doubt many cheat at Ballroom Dancing and Basket Weaving.

Notre Dame sux. A bunch of pompous arrogant . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

[coogrfan]

I didn't say anything about the NCAA. They are always the last to know. They have never led an investigation until a majority of the news was already out. Notre Dame didn't come up with this information on their own. Someone reported it to them. That is getting caught.

"Getting caught" would be ND suspending the players in question in response to a story by an outside source, say a tv or print report. That isn't what happened here.

This is ND reaffirming it's commitment to academic honesty for all of it's students (athletes included) thru an internal investigation. Imo ND should be lauded for this stance.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

"Getting caught" would be ND suspending the players in question in response to a story by an outside source, say a tv or print report. That isn't what happened here.

This is ND reaffirming it's commitment to academic honesty for all of it's students (athletes included) thru an internal investigation. Imo ND should be lauded for this stance.

Or Notre Dame knowing it would come out so they took the proactive route hoping that they dont look as bad.

Any organization that on a worldwide basis tries to sweep "children molested" by their leadership under the carpet is hardly an organization of integrity. I wouldnt trust anybody that takes a vow of celibacy and then looks for some satisfaction with little kids.

 

[jimmy40]

Is there a bigger joke than vacating wins? So when they replay the National Championship game, who plays Alabama?

 

[Plankton]

There's a rumor that states that KeiVarae Russell and DaVaris Daniels have been cleared of any wrongdoing, and will be reinstated on Monday.

 

[Rogah]

Or Notre Dame knowing it would come out so they took the proactive route hoping that they dont look as bad.

One of your (many) problems is that there is absolutely zero evidence to support that wild speculation.

Any organization that on a worldwide basis tries to sweep "children molested" by their leadership under the carpet is hardly an organization of integrity. I wouldnt trust anybody that takes a vow of celibacy and then looks for some satisfaction with little kids.

Bringing that into a discussion of college football shows you really have some unresolved anger issues, for some reason.

Seriously, dude, it's college football we're talking about, not life and death. It would really be in your own best interest to just step back and take in some perspective on the matter.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

One of your (many) problems is that there is absolutely zero evidence to support that wild speculation.
Bringing that into a discussion of college football shows you really have some unresolved anger issues, for some reason.

Seriously, dude, it's college football we're talking about, not life and death. It would really be in your own best interest to just step back and take in some perspective on the matter.

Wild speculation? Speculation is all anybody has to go on at this point. Or do you have some "evidence" that the rest of the world doesnt have access to? Somebody makes a claim about the situation and somebody else responds that it could be something else - that is entirely realistic BTW - and you start throwing junk out there about WILD speculation and needing to step back. Seriously, dude, if anybody has issues related to this Notre Dame scandal its you. You sound like the angry one to me. Irrational posting and telling others they have anger issues suggests its you that needs to put this in perspective and take your own advice since its ONLY college football. Im happy that its happened to Notre Dame. Nothing to be angry about at all.

 

[Rogah]

Wild speculation? Speculation is all anybody has to go on at this point. Or do you have some "evidence" that the rest of the world doesnt have access to?

We know for a fact that Notre Dame initiated an investigation and is punishing offenders. That's not speculation; that has been officially reported.

The idea that they only did this because the NCAA (or someone else) was going to blow it all wide open is wild *** speculation based on nothing but an irrational hatred of the institution and no factual evidence whatsoever.

Somebody makes a claim about the situation and somebody else responds that it could be something else - that is entirely realistic BTW - and you start throwing junk out there about WILD speculation and needing to step back. Seriously, dude, if anybody has issues related to this Notre Dame scandal its you. You sound like the angry one to me. Irrational posting and telling others they have anger issues suggests its you that needs to put this in perspective and take your own advice since its ONLY college football. Im happy that its happened to Notre Dame. Nothing to be angry about at all.

Ah yes, the "I know you are but what am I?" response, a favorite among 2nd graders everywhere.

Fact: Bringing up the church priest child molestation scandal into a discussion of college football is the action of an irrational, bitter, angry person with absolutely no sense of perspective whatsoever.

 

[Future]

We know for a fact that Notre Dame initiated an investigation and is punishing offenders. That's not speculation; that has been officially reported.

The idea that they only did this because the NCAA (or someone else) was going to blow it all wide open is wild *** speculation based on nothing but an irrational hatred of the institution and no factual evidence whatsoever..

I'd actually probably make the argument that the only reason any major athletic school would launch their own investigation is for that exact purpose. Hard to ever prove that, but they all cheat, and administrators all know about it.

While I don't really have anything to say about the whole priest thing...it would be fair to bring up the fact that Notre Dame has failed to properly investigate sexual assault and rape cases involving their football players multiple times. Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself in 2010 just 10 days after accusing a player of rape, may be the most notable of those cases.

After reporting the alleged assault to campus police, Seeberg was told by a friend of the football player: "Don't do anything you would regret. Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea." No charges were filed. Notre Dame police didn't interview the player—who was never disciplined by the school or the football program—until five days after Seeberg killed herself. Later, they told the family they weren't sure when they could follow up. "They said they were pretty busy," said Lizzy's mother, Mary, told Henneberger, "because it's football season and there's a lot of underage drinking."

I've always been a ND fan, but they're using this investigation as nothing more than a PR move to show that "academics are still #1" and to put them on a higher ground, so to speak, than the SEC schools of the world. The reality is that they are just like, if not worse than, every other major program where both academic fraud and, more unfortunately, sexual assault, isn't dealt with properly.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'd actually probably make the argument that the only reason any major athletic school would launch their own investigation is for that exact purpose. Hard to ever prove that, but they all cheat, and administrators all know about it.

While I don't really have anything to say about the whole priest thing...it would be fair to bring up the fact that Notre Dame has failed to properly investigate sexual assault and rape cases involving their football players multiple times. Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself in 2010 just 10 days after accusing a player of rape, may be the most notable of those cases.



I've always been a ND fan, but they're using this investigation as nothing more than a PR move to show that "academics are still #1" and to put them on a higher ground, so to speak, than the SEC schools of the world. The reality is that they are just like, if not worse than, every other major program where both academic fraud and, more unfortunately, sexual assault, isn't dealt with properly.

Get ready. Now you'll be anti Catholic. Angry & bitter. Oh, and speculating wildly too.

 

[Rogah]

I'd actually probably make the argument that the only reason any major athletic school would launch their own investigation is for that exact purpose. Hard to ever prove that, but they all cheat, and administrators all know about it.

While I don't really have anything to say about the whole priest thing...it would be fair to bring up the fact that Notre Dame has failed to properly investigate sexual assault and rape cases involving their football players multiple times. Lizzy Seeberg, who killed herself in 2010 just 10 days after accusing a player of rape, may be the most notable of those cases.

I agree that is a fair point to bring up because you're talking about a football related issue. And I further agree that it is a major issue impacting all of college sports, including Notre Dame. OTL did a great piece on that very subject this week.

However, I would like to note that just because a disturbed young woman committed suicide does not constitute any sort of proof (or even evidence) that the accused is guilty. I would also like to note your facts are off. She did not accuse him of rape, she accused of him sexual assault. Specifically, he licked her breast. Certainly such conduct, when unwelcome, is criminal activity - but even if you accept her version as 100% true, this is not a guy that forced penetration into a victim.