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wileedog said:
Ok, so we promote Matt Baker from the PS.

Feel better?

Or is there a QB capable of winning s SB out there on the street somewhere and we just haven't found him?

I have said for the better part of a year and a half that we should try to sign a decent experience QB. We have not done that. There have been QBs available to sign but we have elected not to do this. Do not go through this tiresome excercise of asking me to list all the available options because all that does is make me waist time. It is a one sided affair that ends up with everybody dismissing everybody listed and the guy who gets left holding the back is the guy who spent the time to list the names. I'm not going to do that but I think we all know that there have been options out there to sign. We just haven't tried to do that.

However, if Matt Barker is who you would like to see promoted onto the active roster, that's fine. I can however tell you that promoting Barker will not make me feel better. Is that the answer you were looking for?
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
. Do not go through this tiresome excercise of asking me to list all the available options because all that does is make me waist time. It is a one sided affair that ends up with everybody dismissing everybody listed and the guy who gets left holding the back is the guy who spent the time to list the names.

In other words, you have a big bag of nothing.
 

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What does Bledsoe playing poorly have to do with a third guy holding a clipboard?

If you review my posts going back a ways, you will see that I have always been afraid of the fact that Bledsoe has taken a great deal of punishment in his career and that the Cowboys have been remarkably lucky going back to Quincy at the QB position. Now, I'm not asking you to go back and research all that crap. Just trying to make a point that for some time, it has been a big concern of mine. Bledsoe being hurt and us having to go with Romo and then having to sign a guy off the streets. I have always wanted us to sign a vet player with some skills, even at the expense of releasing Henson or Romo. This is true. I am just worried that those fears are becoming reality. We will soon see.
 

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i think the loss was good in a sense to show the team and eszpecially the defense they are very beatable. but we still should have won but we gassed
 

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But then what happens in some of the games later on like we he goes on the road to play the divisional foes? Prolly be like we saw yesterday again.

Dont be surprised if we dont blow our divisional rivals out at their own stadiums.... Dont be surprised if our offense struggles. You know why? Because those teams are pretty darn good.

Bledsoe wasnt even accurate with the football yesterday. Something about him just wasn't right. I don't expect that from him even when the offense struggles.

If a guy is open Bledsoe will usually hit them. Not yesterday though.

I'd expect Bledsoe to have a good week of practice and a good game next week on nationally televised TV and erase all these crazy thoughts and get back to playing football.

But there is no excuse for yesterday.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
I have said for the better part of a year and a half that we should try to sign a decent experience QB. We have not done that. There have been QBs available to sign but we have elected not to do this. Do not go through this tiresome excercise of asking me to list all the available options because all that does is make me waist time. It is a one sided affair that ends up with everybody dismissing everybody listed and the guy who gets left holding the back is the guy who spent the time to list the names. I'm not going to do that but I think we all know that there have been options out there to sign. We just haven't tried to do that.

However, if Matt Barker is who you would like to see promoted onto the active roster, that's fine. I can however tell you that promoting Barker will not make me feel better. Is that the answer you were looking for?

At least it's some kind of answer, rather than the easy way out of "we should do something different, I don't know what, just something different".

See how bad that sounds?
 

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In other words, you have a big bag of nothing.

If I'm talking to you about any given subject, that fact that it's you on the other end qualifies as a Big Bag of Nothing so, yeah. I guess where your concerned, that would be a correct statement.
 

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Are there still those who contend that Bledsoe is a HOF QB?

Are there still those who believe Bledsoe will somehow carry us to a Super Bowl?

Are there those who still believe it was a good decision to go into the season with only two QBs?

Jesus. Get some freaking perspective.

Quarterbacks have bad days. Bledsoe had one. Guess what? Troy had bad games, too.

If Bledsoe plays like this for a couple games in a row, then we need to start addressing it.

But you are batcrap insane if you think because of one bad game then that means he is out of contention for the Hall of Fame. Maybe he never had a shot and maybe he did. But only a fool would think that one game would materially alter that one way or another. It's about a career.

The same foolishness applies to your other questions.

If you had perspective, you might actually realize that one bad game does not change any the answer to any of your questions.
 

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stasheroo said:
At least it's some kind of answer, rather than the easy way out of "we should do something different, I don't know what, just something different".

See how bad that sounds?

I understand, but you also must understand that the big fall back to this question is "Who should we have signed?"

On more then one occasion, I and other's have gone throught eh excercise of naming names only to have them dismissed by the board as unworthy or washed up or what have you. I mean, it takes time and it gets a bit tediouse to do this over and over. You too must understand this point. We are all regular posters on this board. We all know that examples of who we could have signed are out there but we always go ask some poor fool to go out and make the list. It's not really needed. We all know who the players are. I'm just saying it gets tedioius to do it over and over again.
 

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Jesus. Get some freaking perspective.

Quarterbacks have bad days. Bledsoe had one. Guess what? Troy had bad games, too.

If Bledsoe plays like this for a couple games in a row, then we need to start addressing it.

But you are batcrap insane if you think because of one bad game then that means he is out of contention for the Hall of Fame. Maybe he never had a shot and maybe he did. But only a fool would think that one game would materially alter that one way or another. It's about a career.

The same foolishness applies to your other questions.

If you had perspective, you might actually realize that one bad game does not change any the answer to any of your questions.

I agree but I knew to expect this reaction today.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
If you review my posts going back a ways, you will see that I have always been afraid of the fact that Bledsoe has taken a great deal of punishment in his career and that the Cowboys have been remarkably lucky going back to Quincy at the QB position. Now, I'm not asking you to go back and research all that crap. Just trying to make a point that for some time, it has been a big concern of mine. Bledsoe being hurt and us having to go with Romo and then having to sign a guy off the streets. I have always wanted us to sign a vet player with some skills, even at the expense of releasing Henson or Romo. This is true. I am just worried that those fears are becoming reality. We will soon see.

I can appreciate your stance on it and given Bledsoe's terrible performance there's reason for concern.

But I still feel Bledsoe will have a good season and I'm not ready to write him or the team off after one lousy performance.
 

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Jesus. Get some freaking perspective.

Quarterbacks have bad days. Bledsoe had one. Guess what? Troy had bad games, too.

If Bledsoe plays like this for a couple games in a row, then we need to start addressing it.

But you are batcrap insane if you think because of one bad game then that means he is out of contention for the Hall of Fame. Maybe he never had a shot and maybe he did. But only a fool would think that one game would materially alter that one way or another. It's about a career.

The same foolishness applies to your other questions.

If you had perspective, you might actually realize that one bad game does not change any the answer to any of your questions.

Interesting that your telling me to have some perspective. I was not the one who contested we were a Super Bowl team. Nor was I the one who thought we needed to draft LBs instead of OLs. I was not the one who thought our QB situation was fine. Lastly, I've had 13 seasons to formulate opinion on Bledsoe. One bad game huh?

Interesting that you would tell me I need perspective.

OK, then. I'll just run right out and get some.

Thanks for the advice.
 

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To your questions, Yes, Perhaps and Yes.

Bledsoe Hall of Fame, yes, he has consistently put up the numbers over his career.

Bledsoe take us to the superbowl. Outside chance at best, our schedule does us no favors.

2 QB's. Absolutely, we would be no better off with Henson on the Roster. Unless we had brought in a better QB than Bledsoe then adding another QB does nothing for us.

Quite simply, this looks like the same average team we watched play last season. Plenty of ability and promise, some papered over problems and the only consistent thing is our inconsistency.

We'll win some games, we'll lose some games. If they can't consistently perform like they did in the 1st quarter we'll be lucky to reach the playoffs with our division as it is. If they can achieve levels of performance that they showed early then with luck on it's side a Superbowl appearance is a slim possibility (a la Steelers last year).
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
OK, then. I'll just run right out and get some.

Thanks for the advice.

Good. Then hopefully we can expect to not see any more posts from you suggesting that a bad game in the first game of the year answers definitively questions about the future of the team/player.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Interesting that your telling me to have some perspective. I was not the one who contested we were a Super Bowl team. Nor was I the one who thought we needed to draft LBs instead of OLs. I was not the one who thought our QB situation was fine. Lastly, I've had 13 seasons to formulate opinion on Bledsoe. One bad game huh?

Interesting that you would tell me I need perspective.

OK, then. I'll just run right out and get some.

Thanks for the advice.

Who says we are not after 1 game? There is no doubt Bledsoe played poorly as well as some others on the team but it is still 1 game with 15 left. Before writing Bledsoe and the team off give them a little longer to prove themselfs or not that is your choice.
 

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stasheroo said:
I can appreciate your stance on it and given Bledsoe's terrible performance there's reason for concern.

But I still feel Bledsoe will have a good season and I'm not ready to write him or the team off after one lousy performance.

Nor am I. In fact, I think that if you go back and review my first post, I actually say that it is not impossible to have Bledsoe as our starter and still make the playoffs. I think it's still possible but I am concerned that his body may have caught up with him. Not stating it for a fact but I am saying it worries me to see him struggle physically in the first game. That is typically when older players look really good. There bodies are still healthy enough to do the things they used to be able to and they have the mental knowledge to go with it. Who knows, maybe he will be fine next week. I certainly hope so.
 

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Good. Then hopefully we can expect to not see any more posts from you suggesting that a bad game in the first game of the year answers definitively questions about the future of the team/player.

You can absolutly expect that. Simply put me on your ignore list. I'm sure you would be much happier and I certainly won't lose sleep over it. It's really a pretty simple execution. Anybody can probably help you with it.
 

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Who says we are not after 1 game? There is no doubt Bledsoe played poorly as well as some others on the team but it is still 1 game with 15 left. Before writing Bledsoe and the team off give them a little longer to prove themselfs or not that is your choice.



I posted this earlier. Older players usually look very good early in the season. That is when there bodies are still healthy enough and there experience, mental capacity all make for great play. When the first game of the season shows signs of failing health, that's not good. I'm not saying the season is over and in fact, I take offense at the fact that you and everybody seems to suggest this. Clearly, in my first posts, I said there is still a chance. However, that is overlooked in order to push other agenda. It's fine. I call it as I see it. Bledsoe is showing signs, in the first game that he is not healthy. That's bad. It is my choice to evaluate that as I see it and I evaluate it as poor.
 

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The fact is that Parcells and the staff believe that Tony Romo is the best backup they can have at this time. The fact is that anyone who is available now is or who has been available the past few years is going to have significant flaws to their game.

You haven't mentioned any names, but I'll throw out one. Kerry Collins. He has a track record in the NFL and he also has a lot of the flaws Bledsoe has with probably even less accuracy. I don't think that would be an improvement.

The staff obviously believes that Romo has the best opportunity to lead this team to victory if Bledsoe goes down. Your response will probably be, but Romo has never thrown a pass in a real NFL game. True, but the fact is none of us knows how that will go. Romo has certainly made strides since he came in to the league and showed he has NFL ability. He also has good feet and pocket presence. Is it possible that he actually is the best option?
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Simply put me on your ignore list.

Nah. I'm not going to put you on ignore because you add to the conversation here at this site. Your comments are worth reading. I'm just telling you that this post isn't one of them. This is way too knee jerk and "I told you so" based on one game.

A good metric for evaluating the quality of a post or position is to question whether the same reaction would have occurred had the game gone a different way or if a player didn't have an off day (or the reverse). If Bledsoe had a reasonably good day, what would have been your reaction?

This is a good metric because it tells us the extent to which an opinion is based on a long-term view and a reasonable evaluation of the game itself.

I suggest your post does not. But I'm not going to put you on ignore for it. Instead, I'll just tell you to try to get some perspective before coming to these determinations based on one game.
 
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