O Line hopes

[theogt]

Very good question, nobody knows the answer though at this point.

Nobody knows any result when it comes to the future. But we can say with a substantial certainty that it's highly unlikely that any rookie tackle will come in and play at a higher level than Doug Free in 2010.

 

[big dog cowboy]

First rd- hope a top LT prospect falls to us. Second rd- look for a Good sized G/C prospect. We really could use one that can play both well. Above all I want to get rid of the PROCTOLOGIST!!!

I would have no problem with that. Should we add two high draft picks that should just about rid us of Proctor.

 

[burmafrd]

sorry ogt but that stat means very little. Add to the fact Free only played what 6 games? So to base your opinion on such a small sample is frankly ridiculous.


Anthony Davis of Rutgers and Bruce Campbell of Maryland are the two I am looking at= late first early second rd picks at the moment depending on how the combine and workouts look.

 

[NeonNinja]

sorry ogt but that stat means very little. Add to the fact Free only played what 6 games?


Anthony Davis of Rutgers and Bruce Campbell of Maryland are the two I am looking at= late first early second rd picks at the moment depending on how the combine and workouts look.

I think Campbell will test well and that will move him up in the draft. I don't see AD making it to the late first either.

 

[BlueAndSilverSurfer]

better move this to the draft zone

 

[Eddie]

Free is better than any tackle in this draft.

That's a pretty bad statement.

That's like saying my 4 year old can beat up any 1 year old.

 

[theogt]

sorry ogt but that stat means very little.

No, it means a lot.

Add to the fact Free only played what 6 games?

It's snaps per sack given up. How many games a player plays will have little impact on the statistic, as long as he played 500+ snaps, which Free did.

So to base your opinion on such a small sample is frankly ridiculous.

It's not a small sample, actually.

 

[theogt]

That's a pretty bad statement.

That's like saying my 4 year old can beat up any 1 year old.

Or not.

 

[Eskimo]

No matter how much you hate Free, there is now tons of tape showing he can play at a high level. By the end of the year, he wasn't just keeping guys off Romo but totally dominating all comes at RT. When they kicked him to the curb, he came in and shutout Jarred Allen in a pressure cooker situation on the road in the playoffs trailing by 14 points.

Free has long arms, great feet and superior athleticism - he is the ideal LT. At 315 pounds he is far from small for the position. He will be an asset on the move getting out for screens. Plus, he seems to have a bit of a nasty edge out there on the field.

Conversely, any rookie we bring in will be entirely untested against NFL level competition and we would be guessing whether they could cope with the transition. Most prospect who would be sure thing Pro Bowl-quality LTs who could start right away are drafted in the top 5 picks. We wouldn't be able to draft such a player anyway.

I think we are probably better off seeing if a great RT candidate is available at the bottom of the first. This is a good place to look for help at those positions. Maybe we can then draft another G/C in the 2nd and the line will be set for a few years.

I would try and trade Flo and Colombo if I could. I don't think either are part of the long-term solution here. I wouldn't be against bringing Flo back for another year if we can't find a good RT in FA or the draft.

 

[Woods]

I don't see any room for another ILB. James, brooking, carp, jwill, hodge. Doubt we keep 6 ILB's.

The way I see it as of today is that Carp is a nickel LB, and I don't see him pushing to be a quality every down LB at this stage.

As for Hodge, firstly, I hope he recovers from surgery. And secondly, Hodge is really more of a "hybrid" SS/LB. Really, IMO, more suited to play the nickel role.

As for J Williams, I hope he can eventually replace Brooking, which could be in about 1 year. But Williams is (very) raw, and he is going to need time. But in reality, he's still a project, though let's hope he works out.

And as for Brooking, I think he's been tremendous, but he's clearly approaching the end of his career in the NFL.

That's why I wouldn't mind picking up another ILB early, assuming the talent is there, he's the best player available, etc.

 

[theogt]

No matter how much you hate Free, there is now tons of tape showing he can play at a high level. By the end of the year, he wasn't just keeping guys off Romo but totally dominating all comes at RT. When they kicked him to the curb, he came in and shutout Jarred Allen in a pressure cooker situation on the road in the playoffs trailing by 14 points.

Free has long arms, great feet and superior athleticism - he is the ideal LT. At 315 pounds he is far from small for the position. He will be an asset on the move getting out for screens. Plus, he seems to have a bit of a nasty edge out there on the field.

Conversely, any rookie we bring in will be entirely untested against NFL level competition and we would be guessing whether they could cope with the transition. Most prospect who would be sure thing Pro Bowl-quality LTs who could start right away are drafted in the top 5 picks. We wouldn't be able to draft such a player anyway.

I think we are probably better off seeing if a great RT candidate is available at the bottom of the first. This is a good place to look for help at those positions. Maybe we can then draft another G/C in the 2nd and the line will be set for a few years.

I would try and trade Flo and Colombo if I could. I don't think either are part of the long-term solution here. I wouldn't be against bringing Flo back for another year if we can't find a good RT in FA or the draft.

Not sure if I trade both (or either) of them. You don't want to unnecessarily get yourself in a hole at the tackle position.

 

[Eskimo]

Not sure if I trade both (or either) of them. You don't want to unnecessarily get yourself in a hole at the tackle position.

You've got a point about not trading both this year.

I don't think Colombo will have much of a market after his disastrous playoff performance against the Vikings after coming off surgery at his age. There is also the fact that he wasn't highly sought after the first time he hit FA a couple of years ago.

As for Flo, I really worry that he might entirely collapse this year. He gave up lots of sacks and pressures this year on top of his usual penalty count. I think this might have been his last year as a quality LT. Having said that, he may still have some value to some team desperate for help at LT. The issue probably comes down to how comfortable the FO is with Free coming in as the LT next year. They might prefer a bridge year were Free is the RT, Flo is the LT and a high draft pick sits on the bench as the heir apparent at RT. If Flo tanks then Free goes to LT and the rookie comes in at RT.

 

[burmafrd]

Its pretty safe to say that Colombo had some problems due to probable lack of conditioning because of his injury and that is why he was good against the Birds but collapsed against the Vikings. I doubt the staff are worried.

Free looked good at RT so that is a safe bet but to say he will shine at LT is frankly stupid. Anyone making a gamble that he can step in for Flo and we will have the same level of play is just plain DUMB. I have to laugh at OGT saying Free is already a top tackle- Mark Twain said it right "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are STATISTICS". You can twist those numbers to say anything you like.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think we are probably better off seeing if a great RT candidate is available at the bottom of the first. This is a good place to look for help at those positions. Maybe we can then draft another G/C in the 2nd and the line will be set for a few years.

I agree 100%.

After two days of the draft I'd like to see 2 offensive lineman selected.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Its pretty safe to say that Colombo had some problems due to probable lack of conditioning because of his injury and that is why he was good against the Birds but collapsed against the Vikings. I doubt the staff are worried.

They have to be worried to some extent.

It's like this in the Minny game Colombo was the weak-link. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

He's not getting any younger either.

 

[burmafrd]

Its also STUPID to ignore the fact that before his injury he was playing quite well. There is no reason to think that his poor performance was anything except a leftover from his injury. A broken leg should heal with no after effects so he should be fine for next season.

 

[sonnyboy]

I think we need quality and quantity.

We need to think about taking 12 offensive lineman to camp we really feel good about considering how old our starting are.

Of those 12 we should keep 9 on the 53 man roster. That's about one more than you usually see.

We should draft at least 3 and look to sign a couple FAs.

The twelve we take to camp should look like this.......
Adams
Koiser
Gurode
Davis
Columbo
Free
Brewster
Top tier FA
2nd tier FA
Draft PK Rd 1-3
Draft PK Rd 1-3
Draft PK Rd 4-7

This should yield us 9 quality players to take into the season.

 

[sonnyboy]

Its pretty safe to say that Colombo had some problems due to probable lack of conditioning because of his injury and that is why he was good against the Birds but collapsed against the Vikings. I doubt the staff are worried.

Free looked good at RT so that is a safe bet but to say he will shine at LT is frankly stupid. Anyone making a gamble that he can step in for Flo and we will have the same level of play is just plain DUMB. I have to laugh at OGT saying Free is already a top tackle- Mark Twain said it right "There are lies, damn lies, and then there are STATISTICS". You can twist those numbers to say anything you like.

He was good enough against the eagles because we rotated Free in there and had a lead early.
But I agree his weak play was certainly due to the injury. He's not a liability.

We should go into camp with an open mind about replacing any of our starters and fill the roster with enough good options to do just that.

Let them compete and have the chips and injuries fall where they may.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

First rd- hope a top LT prospect falls to us. Second rd- look for a Good sized G/C prospect. We really could use one that can play both well. And I would use a couple of late rd picks to get some more developmental prospects. Because right now all we have is Brewster and the more I look at him the more I think he is at best a guard prospect. Above all I want to get rid of the PROCTOLOGIST!!!

I didn't know you got to look at brewster to make that determination but then in the next sentence you type out Proctologist in caps so maybe you have better "inside" information than the rest of us. :

 

[fan62]

About the only OL that could start in the NFL, while being available when we pick, is guard Mike Iupati, out of Idaho. Really, I think he might go to SF or Denver. I would be surprised if he is not gone by 15-18. Massive guard, could play tackle. 6'5 or 6'6 330 lbs. Did not allow a sack in college.
With luck, could fall into our laps.
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