Offensive Flatlining Completely On Jerry Jones

[KJJ]

I thought the title of the thread read OL flatulating completely on Jerry Jones. That seems more fitting.

 

[ICP]

And with Prescott’s injury, this team doesn’t have a quarterback capable of playing at the NFL level.

Rush simply lacks the arm talent, while Lance lacks the mental component.

But between the two, the team has no quarterback.

No worries, Will Grier is coming to save the day!

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

They liked Tyler guyton so much in the draft that they traded down and risked losing him to someone else

 

[CowboysRule]

Really? What was Dak doing at the time the hamstring occurred? Was he comfortable in the pocket with time to go through his progressions?

You don't think a hamstring could be the cumulative result of having to run for his life on almost every play? Are hamstrings a common issue for QBs? Just as much as they are for receivers and DB's?

Dak doesn't really go through progressions. It's mostly just "Is CD open?" Throw to him. "Is CD covered?" Throw to him. Again, 13 carries in 8 games. It's not like he was taking off for his life on every snap. He holds the ball too long and has poor pocket presence. He doesn't notice open WR as pretty everyone can point out on most plays. Again, you want to coddle Dak. Wrap him in a nice warm blankie made up of HoF caliber players at every position. That's not how it works. Sometimes you have to make a play under duress. If you are ripping muscles off the bone just by running, something is wrong with you.

 

[jgboys1]

And with Prescott’s injury, this team doesn’t have a quarterback capable of playing at the NFL level.

Rush simply lacks the arm talent, while Lance lacks the mental component.

But between the two, the team has no quarterback.

Sorry to say, even with a healthy Dak we would still not have a QB!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's not working for ME.

Whose money was that before it was his? Did you get what you paid for?

I didn't buy my car from a company because the business owner was a billionaire. I bought it because it satisfied my needs.

I'm glad that, despite their record, you are satisfied with the knowledge that their owner has swindled you and every other Cowboys fan out of billions of dollars.

He did this by promising a total commitment to winning a championship. Instead, he focuses on money and self-adulation.

What does that trophy look like?

I was looking at it from Jerry's perspective. his focus is not football, but business of football and the two aren't the same. his goal is to maximize profits and value and he is achieving both. so why change? why invest more and perhaps lesser profit. the seats are full. cowboys are on the news 24x7 and he has two of the top 10 jersey sales in NFL.

superbowl is secondary issue to Jerry.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak doesn't really go through progressions. It's mostly just "Is CD open?" Throw to him. "Is CD covered?" Throw to him. Again, 13 carries in 8 games. It's not like he was taking off for his life on every snap. He holds the ball too long and has poor pocket presence. He doesn't notice open WR as pretty everyone can point out on most plays. Again, you want to coddle Dak. Wrap him in a nice warm blankie made up of HoF caliber players at every position. That's not how it works. Sometimes you have to make a play under duress. If you are ripping muscles off the bone just by running, something is wrong with you.

hmmm, interesting perception. a few here drive the narrative as they, and perhaps you don't really understand what that means.
so in 23, just last year Dak had 4516 yards passing. CD had 1749 yards...which means 2767 yards to other WRs. that's 61% of recieving yards.
also last year CD had 135 receptions...out of 410 completions. which means 67% of passes went else where.

with that said, that's not much different than most other QBs primary targets. when you have a top 5 WRs then he is a top 5 WR for a reason. he gets open. he makes catches, he is the primary recievers.

this is not a defense of Dak. this is just that the perception and some of the narratives are totally idiotic and to the extreme.

even the narrative of him holding on to the ball too long. perhaps because CD is covered and the rest of them have trouble getting open...I mean when your 3rd WR is Turpin, it kind of makes sense.
last year average time to throw was less than 2.85 seconds. that was less than Stroudd, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes.


now am I comparing Dak to those QBs? no, but just showing that perception is much stronger than reality. specially when just a few uninformed individuals, keep posting the same crap over and over.

can he play better? yes. is he elite? no. how many elite QBs are there? and yes, he has to play better in post season. this whole dang team has to play better in post season.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He has led us to where we are today. Hopefully, all the way to the top of the draft. Bright side is that at the top you can build something like Detroit and Washington did. It can be done.

it can be done if you have the right GM. Jerry is not able to do it.

 

[john van brocklin]

Jerry Jones and his contributions:

1. Cut Zeke before the 2023 season but made no effort to replace him with another RB capable of effective productivity in a two-back rotation. This was despite the fact that Pollard was coming back from an injury.

This was also despite the fact that there were several options in that year's draft.

2. Procrastinated on both Dak and CeeDee's contract negotiations to the point where it was an obvious team distraction. This resulted in a holdout by CeeDee which prevented CeeDee and Dak to be in sync at the start of the season.

This also created incremental increases in Dak's salary demands to the point where the Cowboys will be paying around 15 million dollars more per year than if they had signed him the previous season. This money could have been wisely spent on a veteran free agent DT or RB or OL.

3. Did not resign Pollard after the 2023 season but did not replace him until the only choice left was the guy they cut the previous season. Once again, they failed to address the issue in the draft.

4. Never adequately addressed depth at the QB position. The Cowboys drafted only 5 QB's in the past 23 drafts, none higher than the 4th round. Bill Belichick drafted 11 QB's in the same time frame despite having Tom Brady, arguably the best in NFL history. That is an average of one QB every two drafts.

This lack of foresight resulted in almost unprecedented leverage by a QB. Without any obvious alternative, they were at the mercy of Dak's agent.

5. Despite the fact that they spent a quarter of their salary cap on Dak, they decided to protect this investment with an O-line featuring two rookies, both of whom did not play their position in college. One of the positions was LT, the guy that protects the QB's blind side.

This position was manned by someone considered to be "raw" and in need of development. The other position was center, the guy that gets the ball to the QB. Keep in mind, there were no feasible RB's and the team was destined to be a one-dimensional nightmare in which defenses had no fear of the running game. This allowed them to attack the QB with little restraint. Eventually, Dak's body could no longer take the constant duress.

6. Refused to participate in veteran free agency, despite desperate needs that would be difficult to fill in the draft. If the Cowboys had signed one veteran free agent O-Lineman capable of starting then it would have taken a great deal of pressure off the rookies. They could have signed a good RB.

Last season, the Cowboys had the #1 scoring offense for the 2nd time in three seasons. They were ranked 5th in offensive yardage. They were ranked #2 in turnovers and #1 in 1st downs.

This season they are ranked 23rd in scoring, 21st in total yards, 21st in 1st downs and 31st in turnovers.

Jerry Jones's neglect, poor team building strategy, ill advised risks, and terrible draft decisions created a burden that was impossible for this offense to overcome. Jerry Jones is the most prominent reason for the state of this offense.

This is the typical cycle. People like Tex Schram, Tom Landry, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells are builders of champions. Jerry Jones has always been the destroyer of opportunity.

......From first to worse in half a season...........

Having an amateur GM is putting us at a competitive disadvantage in a very competitive NFL.
We are not winning anything of consequence until this changes.

 

[shabazz]

I thought the title of the thread read OL flatulating completely on Jerry Jones. That seems more fitting.

Even get the long-snapper in on that spackling party....hopefully he eats alot of bean enriched Mexican food for that added texture

 

[Hawkeye0202]

And with Prescott’s injury, this team doesn’t have a quarterback capable of playing at the NFL level.

Rush simply lacks the arm talent, while Lance lacks the mental component.

But between the two, the team has no quarterback.

Exactly why I don't see us winning another game........IF we had anything close to a decent running game, maybe but we don't.

 

[KJJ]

Even get the long-snapper in on that spackling party....hopefully he eats alot of bean enriched Mexican food for that added texture.

They need to take the entire team out for Mexican food and add some lindberger cheese to the menu.

 

[DallasEast]

He has led us to where we are today. Hopefully, all the way to the top of the draft. Bright side is that at the top you can build something like Detroit and Washington did. It can be done.

That is a dubious amount of optimism applied upon an individual with a distinct 30-year GM track record.

 

[Bigrandrn]

the cowboys are worth $11B+....cha ching
two players in to p10 jersey sales in NFL

so tell me what's not working again?

Do you care about winning? if it’s about winning, then it’s NOT working.

 

[rambo2]

That is a dubious amount of optimism applied upon an individual with a distinct 30-year GM track record.

He is running on fumes. He will be gone soon.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Do you care about winning? if it’s about winning, then it’s NOT working.

I care about winning. perhaps the sarcasm from my comment is not obvious.

that's what Jerry jones is thinking.

 

[CowboysRule]

hmmm, interesting perception. a few here drive the narrative as they, and perhaps you don't really understand what that means.
so in 23, just last year Dak had 4516 yards passing. CD had 1749 yards...which means 2767 yards to other WRs. that's 61% of recieving yards.
also last year CD had 135 receptions...out of 410 completions. which means 67% of passes went else where.

with that said, that's not much different than most other QBs primary targets. when you have a top 5 WRs then he is a top 5 WR for a reason. he gets open. he makes catches, he is the primary recievers.

this is not a defense of Dak. this is just that the perception and some of the narratives are totally idiotic and to the extreme.

even the narrative of him holding on to the ball too long. perhaps because CD is covered and the rest of them have trouble getting open...I mean when your 3rd WR is Turpin, it kind of makes sense.
last year average time to throw was less than 2.85 seconds. that was less than Stroudd, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes.


now am I comparing Dak to those QBs? no, but just showing that perception is much stronger than reality. specially when just a few uninformed individuals, keep posting the same crap over and over.

can he play better? yes. is he elite? no. how many elite QBs are there? and yes, he has to play better in post season. this whole dang team has to play better in post season.

13 people caught passes last year. CD had 181 targets out of 605. That's 33%. So out of 13 people, one guy accounted for 33% of all passes. You don't think that's heavily leaning on one guy?

This year, 16 people have been targeted. Out of those 346 targets, CD accounts for 94 of those. That's almost 37% of all targets. You don't think that's leaning on one guy a little much?

In both years he had almost double the targets of the next closest receiver. Obviously saying he targets him every play is hyperbole and I though that was obvious but its far from idiotic.

Average time to throw in 2023 was 2.77-2.79 so if Dak had 2.85 seconds he had more time than most.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

13 people caught passes last year. CD had 181 targets out of 605. That's 33%. So out of 13 people, one guy accounted for 33% of all passes. You don't think that's heavily leaning on one guy?

This year, 16 people have been targeted. Out of those 346 targets, CD accounts for 94 of those. That's almost 37% of all targets. You don't think that's leaning on one guy a little much?

In both years he had almost double the targets of the next closest receiver. Obviously saying he targets him every play is hyperbole and I though that was obvious but its far from idiotic.

Average time to throw in 2023 was 2.77-2.79 so if Dak had 2.85 seconds he had more time than most.

out of 13 people!!! man your statistical analysis sucks.

did all 13 play at the same time? really!!! 13 played together? or 13 on the team caught the ball. this tells me 67% of passes went else where....given how good CD is, I am not surprised. remember in football there is 2WR sets, 3 WR sets and sometimes they go 4 wide.

so to educate you a little....

tua had 4624 and 1799 went to hill, that's 38%, so 62% went elsewhere. 14 caught the ball from Tua
Goff had 4575, 1515 went to St. Brown that's 33% - 18 caught the ball from Goff
Hurts had 3858, and Brown had 1456, that's 38% - 13 caught the ball
Allen had 4306 and diggs had 1183 of it, that's 27%.. 13 caught the abll
Purdy had 4280 and Aiyuk caught 1342, that's 31% - 14 caught the ball

does this mean they all were leaning heavily on one guy!!? do you really want me to go through and see how many passes each caught and what percentage?

and this year we have Tolbert and Turpin as #2 and #3 recievers....I mean seriously. those two, who most wanted to cut Tolbert last year and turpin an UDFA at 5/9" and 160lbs!!!!
btw, average across the league....you forgot to mention all those other QBs I listed and you can clearly see in the picture....were actually above Dak's...but yeah, I get you conveniently forgetting stuff.

you are not really good at this. quit while you are behind.

 

[plasticman]

I was looking at it from Jerry's perspective. his focus is not football, but business of football and the two aren't the same. his goal is to maximize profits and value and he is achieving both. so why change? why invest more and perhaps lesser profit. the seats are full. cowboys are on the news 24x7 and he has two of the top 10 jersey sales in NFL.

superbowl is secondary issue to Jerry.

Then Jerry Jones has abandoned his role as GM. This is the conflict of interest that I have been discussing for decades now.

Yes, as the OWNER, what you say is true. However, the majority of criticism is directed towards his responsibilities as the GM, in which super bowls is not secondary. For NFL GM's, super bowls are the only goal and all other duties are means to that end.

There is more than money when it comes to a successful career. There is reputation, social contribution, and family legacy. There is also gratitude to patrons of your business's success.

The last item is why the NFL was formed in the first place. Teams used to be named after the city and then the business that sponsored the NFL franchise. It was a way of acknowledging their patrons and enhancing their company's local reputation.

The Green Bay Packers is short for meatpackers, the business that formed the franchise. The original name of the Chicago Bears was the Decatur Staley's, named after Stakey's Furniture Company.

When discussing Jerry Jones, I think it is important to note which of his roles within the franchise we are discussing. We should separate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM. Otherwise, as mentioned, it is a definite conflict of interest.

 

[plasticman]

Dak is better in both of those departments? I beg to differ....


Like Jerry just said, the team still sucked when Dak was playing, and he thought there would actually be an improvement with him off the field. The Campo years have returned whether Dak plays or not.

Jerry never thought that the Cowboys would play better without Dak. He just thought they would play better than they actually did without their starting QB......which is troubling.

Jerry already denied this team a productive running game and acceptable pass protection. Somehow, he thinks that Cooper Rush can do better under those circumstances than Dak? Doesn't make sense.