Offensive Line Analysis

[Alexander]

Another thought, if all the whispers about Kosier being the guy making the line calls, will he also get reps at center when his foot heals? Makes more sense than having Holland, a newbie to this scheme, getting reps IMO.

I find it strange we targeted Holland not Kosier for that also. He seems like a natural for it (smaller, more mobile), even though he's never played there before. Neither has Holland though. We also know Houck likes the fat road graders at center (Derek Kennard for example).

It might be a case where he's the starter at LG and pushing duty at C would add too much to his plate.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, but you can't count on more than three years at most before age is an issue. All of our starters are hitting that point where they could taper off and I believe that was the point of the article talking about their collective ages.



It is not really their prime anymore if they only have two years of high quality left. That means they are heading down and it will only get worse with each year.

But a lot of these guys on the down slope will still give you a couple better seasons once they are out of their prime vs a guy who is still trying to find his way.

You have to go with the younger guy eventually though in the Salary cap style of football.

 

[DallasEast]

Hey guys,
I wrote an analysis of the Cowboys offensive line as I did last year for my website: http://www.ultimateffstrategy.com/2009_OLine/dallas_cowboys.htm

Feel free to post any comments, suggestions or corrections I should make to my article.

Thanks,
Phil

to the forum!

 

[Hoofbite]

And where are these lots of examples of 35 and 36 year olds that play well?

If you see a 35 year old Pro Bowler, they are at the end of the line. If they go further, you are talking a true great like Walter Jones. I can tell you with the utmost certainty that Flozell Adams won't be a quality LT in a couple of years.

I'm praying he can make it 1 more.

 

[khiladi]

If this OL is going to perform, trick-gadget Garrett better get back to the basic and have them play moving forward, not backward like he did all last year. With the size of these lineman, there is no way this team should be finessing or running time-based running schemes.

 

[burmafrd]

Bruce Mathews, Larry Allen was still very good until his injury in 2002, and even afterwards was still very good at straight ahead and pass blocking for several more years.Look at Kennard in our SB year. Tui and Gogan and Newton were still very good at 33-35. I guess if I wanted to bother I could come up with a whole lot more examples but why should I waste my time. You two obviously have your minds made up and nothing will change it.

Facts are facts and the facts are that a O lineman can play very well up to age 35 or so so WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. And WILL NOT for a couple of years AT LEAST. Outside of the hotel of course.

The pro bowl rosters showed this as well. SO I CHALLENGE YOU to come up with O linemen who were very good to great who suddenly deteriorated at age 33 or so. Baring injury of course.
Come on- you wanted examples well I am challenging YOU to come up with examples.

 

[DallasDomination]

None of the young Linemen we have on our roster look promising..

 

[Hoofbite]

Bruce Mathews, Larry Allen was still very good until his injury in 2002, and even afterwards was still very good at straight ahead and pass blocking for several more years.Look at Kennard in our SB year. Tui and Gogan and Newton were still very good at 33-35. I guess if I wanted to bother I could come up with a whole lot more examples but why should I waste my time. You two obviously have your minds made up and nothing will change it.

Facts are facts and the facts are that a O lineman can play very well up to age 35 or so so WE DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. And WILL NOT for a couple of years AT LEAST. Outside of the hotel of course.

The pro bowl rosters showed this as well. SO I CHALLENGE YOU to come up with O linemen who were very good to great who suddenly deteriorated at age 33 or so. Baring injury of course.
Come on- you wanted examples well I am challenging YOU to come up with examples.

Barring injury? That's usually the big reason why players drops off.

Looking at just the Pro Bowl to make a case is ridiculous. If it wasn't Jerry wouldn't have cut Roy Williams this spring.

 

[burmafrd]

well of course I was talking about the starters. Outside of Holland I frankly think we ought to consider dumping everyone else next year and draft a bunch of O lineman like we did ST this year.

 

[burmafrd]

Of course Injury can mess you up- at ANY AGE. BUT I said show me O linemen who were not injured suddenly going bad at age 33 like their shelf life expired.

 

[jobberone]

My raisins all dried up. I guess they expired.

 

[BAT]

I find it strange we targeted Holland not Kosier for that also. He seems like a natural for it (smaller, more mobile), even though he's never played there before. Neither has Holland though. We also know Houck likes the fat road graders at center (Derek Kennard for example).

It might be a case where he's the starter at LG and pushing duty at C would add too much to his plate.

I hope that this is the reason too. That and Kosier is still not fully healed. If Houck only wants a bigger player at center, why not Brewster, by all accounts he is smart enough and certainly big enough. Not saying Holland could not do it, but his ability to learn new things has not given me a heckuva lot of confidence so far.

 

[Bluefin]

I find it strange we targeted Holland not Kosier for that also. He seems like a natural for it (smaller, more mobile), even though he's never played there before. Neither has Holland though. We also know Houck likes the fat road graders at center (Derek Kennard for example).

I've felt for a couple of years now that center would actually be Kyle Kosier's best position. He's a smart player who reportedly already helps Andre Gurode with making line calls, and his mobility would be great for peeling off initial double team blocks to find another target at the second level.

It would also be harder for defenses to isolate Kosier at center, his only weakness is not always winning physical one on one match-ups with large foes.

But the staff likely wants KK back at left guard because of the comfort level and continuity factor with the other starters.

Montrae Holland can be a player if he wants to, I just don't know if he has the internal fire to put forth the effort it would take to force the coaching staff's hands.

 

[speedkilz88]

Kosier is still re-habbing his ankle, so he hasn't been on the field to get any work at center.

Nate and Tunei were in the 35-36 year range in their last Super Bowl.

 

[Four]

If this OL is going to perform, trick-gadget Garrett better get back to the basic and have them play moving forward, not backward like he did all last year. With the size of these lineman, there is no way this team should be finessing or running time-based running schemes.

wow you turned a thread about o-lineman into a way to bash garrett, how original and surprising coming from you.

 

[landryscorner]

Anytime I see Flozell matched against a speed rusher in the 3-4 I pray that Tony is paying attention, because Flozell just gets OWNED, it's pathetic to watch as someone gets paid that much to just get thrown around by speedy linebackers and DFL.

 

[Four]

Anytime I see Flozell matched against a speed rusher in the 3-4 I pray that Tony is paying attention, because Flozell just gets OWNED, it's pathetic to watch as someone gets paid that much to just get thrown around by speedy linebackers and DFL.

pretty much complete bs, he was injured last year.

rushers in the NFL respect flozell as a player, I have heard more than one say "if he gets his hands on you it's over"

don't make stuff worse than it is, too much of that going on these days.

no one "owns" flozell, and certainly not in the manner you just implied it happens.

 

[Doomsay]

And where are these lots of examples of 35 and 36 year olds that play well?

If you see a 35 year old Pro Bowler, they are at the end of the line. If they go further, you are talking a true great like Walter Jones. I can tell you with the utmost certainty that Flozell Adams won't be a quality LT in a couple of years.

Money.. dated (phrase), I know. But still money.

 

[Teague31]

i will be amazed if brewster pans out.

 

[CATCH17]

i will be amazed if brewster pans out.

Depends on his work ethic.

I think they took him because he has good feet for a big guy. Hopefully they can mold that.

I know Doug Free has extremely good feet but he hasn't done anything yet.




Next year may be the year Dallas finally takes a Olinemen in the first round. Probably a Left Tackle.