*** Official Fire/Hate Garrett Thread ***

[Hostile]

no, just different...

I'll stand by my assessment of better. Have good day okay?

 

[Doc50]

Jason Garrett has been with the Cowboys for 6 years now. 6 years. If there's a culture problem, he's a big part of it. If he's fought against and struggled against a rotten situation all those years, I'm supposed to believe this mega-talented supercoach in the making is staying put in Dallas all these years, stuck in an environment he's been powerless to change? That defies logic.

The undeniable fact is that the offense has been stagnant and in decline since Tony Sparano left. The undeniable fact is that the roster has been in decline since Parcells left. The undeniable fact is that apart from one month at the end of 2009, the team has been mediocre or worse for 5 years now. The undeniable fact is that the Cowboys look like the circus they are in the final moments of every close game, instead of displaying the much vaunted discipline the HC is supposed to have instilled. Jason Garrett is an enormous part of all that failure.

But none of that really matters. Garrett is and remains a symptom of the real issue. Garrett could be the elite superstar coach that his goofy cheering section claims that he is, and it wouldn't matter. He's got a noose around his neck that few if any other NFL coaches have. Several of us have been saying it for many years, and year after year is like a giant hammer driving our point home....this team cannot get where it wants to go with Jerry Jones running the show. The evidence of it is everywhere. A roster whose best players were acquired under Parcells, players who are at the end of their prime or past it. A home stadium that provides no homefield advantage. 17+ years of .500 and worse football. The team isn't improving, it's getting worse. Other than the period where they quit in 2010, another undeniable fact is that the team was better under Wade Phillips.....

:laugh2: I can't think of a more obvious set of circumstances that could condemn Jerry Jones any further. Total failure for nearly 2 decades. Caught on tape admitting the only reason he hired a decent HC was to get a new stadium, mostly built by taxpayers. A roster that only improved during the brief period that we had a proven HOFer involved in personnel decisions.

Get used to it. Get used to losing, sprinkled with the occasional win that brings false hope, only to be crushed the way it was last December. This team isn't going anywhere without major change throughout.

You make good points.

Jerry is the face of the Cowboys, and he is flawed.

I'm not sure that Steven will be any less flawed.

The memory of Jerry and Jimmy fighting over that Super Bowl trophy as they held it aloft says it all for me.

 

[rcaldw]

You make good points.

Jerry is the face of the Cowboys, and he is flawed.

I'm not sure that Steven will be any less flawed.

The memory of Jerry and Jimmy fighting over that Super Bowl trophy as they held it aloft says it all for me.

He doesn't make good points. He mentions Tony Sparano, where is Sparano at now and how they doin? He has been fired once since being here, and people are calling for his head right now? Todd Haley was a savior for some... where is he at and how they liking him?

This fan base needs a clue.

 

[Seven]

Jerry is the face of the Cowboys.

Not even close.

Something he wants so badly and will never have. He can't buy it either........try as he may.

 

[fifaguy]

I'll stand by my assessment of better. Have good day okay?

Thanks and likewise...

 

[Nightshade]

What? I didn't go anywhere.

I do not get too high after wins, nor too low after losses. Except Super Bowls.

Hell, I could be wrong. I looked around for your comments and couldn't find much right after the game. But I don't think you're doing your thoughts about the game thing as much anymore. Anyway, I didn't do too much cowboys stuff after that game cause I had to get away from thoughts of football or I'd punch a wall and break my hand or something.

I just figured even you were so frustrated by that "spectacle" that you might need a breather too before coming back in here and defending the team against all comers.

Just want to say I don't think it's quit in the fans as much as tired of embarrassing performances by what was once such a great franchise. We are building, but it seems like we have some management level road-blocks that NEED to be addressed before we can get over that hump.

 

[Idgit]

...The memory of Jerry and Jimmy fighting over that Super Bowl trophy as they held it aloft says it all for me.

Is says you're thinking of Barry and Jimmy. Which also says something.

 

[Idgit]

Hell, I could be wrong. I looked around for your comments and couldn't find much right after the game. But I don't think you're doing your thoughts about the game thing as much anymore. Anyway, I didn't do too much cowboys stuff after that game cause I had to get away from thoughts of football or I'd punch a wall and break my hand or something.

I just figured even you were so frustrated by that "spectacle" that you might need a breather too before coming back in here and defending the team against all comers.

Just want to say I don't think it's quit in the fans as much as tired of embarrassing performances by what was once such a great franchise. We are building, but it seems like we have some management level road-blocks that NEED to be addressed before we can get over that hump.

Was I really the only one who was disappointed, but exhilarated after that game last week? Seriously, too, I'm not being positive for the sake of being positive. I was crushed that we lost, but I pretty much watch the NFL only for games like that one. I loved it.

My waiter at the sports bar last night was a Giants fan, of all things, and he felt the same way. He was crushed when he thought we'd pulled it out, and then elated when the Giants won, but he knew it was one of the best games of the season. Of course, he also wanted a tip.

But you don't get too many of those a year, and then it's a long off season. I'm not wasting time second-guessing what plays were run the week after I get them. I see the offense playing better, and I know the defense has been steady. Right now, the mistakes in the passing game are getting us beat against good teams. We need another weapon in the passing game--you can't have your WR3 catching his first pass with 3 minutes to go in the 4th quarter, and our QB needs to stop making the mistakes he makes whenever he presses. But both our run blocking and our pass blocking has improved a lot in recent weeks, and we're entering the softest spot of our schedule after this weekend. It's a massively uphill climb, but we're going to at least be within a game or two a the end of the year to keep things interesting. I intend to enjoy it while it lasts, and that's not pumping sunshine (as if that were a bad thing to begin with).

 

[rickjameschinaclub]

He doesn't make good points. He mentions Tony Sparano, where is Sparano at now and how they doin? He has been fired once since being here, and people are calling for his head right now? Todd Haley was a savior for some... where is he at and how they liking him?

This fan base needs a clue.

I never liked Sparano and the offense looked like a hot mess with Bledsoe as QB. Everybody was blaming the OL back then as well. Sparano hasn't sniffed a QB like Romo since he left. Sparanpo is testimony to the calibre of Tony Romo at QB, who with an average coordinator like Sparano, can do wonders with an offense.

What does that make Garrett if this offense is way worse than it was with Sparano, an average OC? Congratulations for proving that Jason Garrett is worse than Sparano at being an OC.

 

[Nightshade]

Was I really the only one who was disappointed, but exhilarated after that game last week? Seriously, too, I'm not being positive for the sake of being positive. I was crushed that we lost, but I pretty much watch the NFL only for games like that one. I loved it.

My waiter at the sports bar last night was a Giants fan, of all things, and he felt the same way. He was crushed when he thought we'd pulled it out, and then elated when the Giants won, but he knew it was one of the best games of the season. Of course, he also wanted a tip.

But you don't get too many of those a year, and then it's a long off season. I'm not wasting time second-guessing what plays were run the week after I get them. I see the offense playing better, and I know the defense has been steady. Right now, the mistakes in the passing game are getting us beat against good teams. We need another weapon in the passing game--you can't have your WR3 catching his first pass with 3 minutes to go in the 4th quarter, and our QB needs to stop making the mistakes he makes whenever he presses. But both our run blocking and our pass blocking has improved a lot in recent weeks, and we're entering the softest spot of our schedule after this weekend. It's a massively uphill climb, but we're going to at least be within a game or two a the end of the year to keep things interesting. I intend to enjoy it while it lasts, and that's not pumping sunshine (as if that were a bad thing to begin with).

It was a very exciting game. But for a Cowboy fan it was exciting for the wrong reasons. I've been waiting for a well managed, low penalty, methodically consistent and dominant team. We're seeing huge improvements in this area on defense. Yet, on the side of the ball managed by the head coach we see penalties, poor game management and erratic inconsistent QB play. Yes, we came back but again it was through continual passes to Witten, Romo's security blanket, sure handed but not much of a break away threat. Then the inevitable breakdown occurs as the opposing defense adjusts, Garrett doesn't counter adjust, Romo tries to do too much and throws the ball away. We lose, not because of the other team but because we beat ourselves. That's what's so frustrating.

 

[Hostile]

Hell, I could be wrong. I looked around for your comments and couldn't find much right after the game. But I don't think you're doing your thoughts about the game thing as much anymore. Anyway, I didn't do too much cowboys stuff after that game cause I had to get away from thoughts of football or I'd punch a wall and break my hand or something.

I just figured even you were so frustrated by that "spectacle" that you might need a breather too before coming back in here and defending the team against all comers.

Just want to say I don't think it's quit in the fans as much as tired of embarrassing performances by what was once such a great franchise. We are building, but it seems like we have some management level road-blocks that NEED to be addressed before we can get over that hump.

Okay I gotcha this time. No, I don't post my thoughts on the game here any more. I still do them. Good therapy.

I try to remain calm but it isn't always easy. I am unhappy with the turnovers, but I see more positives than negatives.

 

[Idgit]

It was a very exciting game. But for a Cowboy fan it was exciting for the wrong reasons. I've been waiting for a well managed, low penalty, methodically consistent and dominant team. We're seeing huge improvements in this area on defense. Yet, on the side of the ball managed by the head coach we see penalties, poor game management and erratic inconsistent QB play. Yes, we came back but again it was through continual passes to Witten, Romo's security blanket, sure handed but not much of a break away threat. Then the inevitable breakdown occurs as the opposing defense adjusts, Garrett doesn't counter adjust, Romo tries to do too much and throws the ball away. We lose, not because of the other team but because we beat ourselves. That's what's so frustrating.

We've definitely had problems along the OL early this year. And we turned the ball over on offense ridiculously last week.

I don't think the Giants ever adjusted to what our offense did to them, though. We absolutely had our way with them, and it was the turnovers, plain and simple, that unraveled us.

They certainly never found an answer for Witten. And I don't get at all what the complaints about the play calling were. We were rolling. This loss was entirely about protecting the ball. Some of that blame goes on the head coach, and some on the players. You cannot win consistently in this league with a TO differential, and we have one regularly in big games.

It's got to get fixed. It's also a pretty specific problem, and it should be an addressable one. We'll see what happens as the season unfolds, but this is something I'd expect a good HC to address, even if it means playing different personnel groups and different players. It's time for some adjustments when it comes to holding onto the football.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Kubiak has always been a good offensive coach. His whole problem was that he never had a defense worth a darn. That's pretty much the opposite of what we're seeing here.

He's doing a great job with Schaub, who isn't nearly as good as Romo.

 

[Idgit]

Kubiak has always been a good offensive coach. His whole problem was that he never had a defense worth a darn. That's pretty much the opposite of what we're seeing here.

He's doing a great job with Schaub, who isn't nearly as good as Romo.

Sounds pretty familiar, to me. They even mention Garrett by name and make the comparison themselves.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kubiak has always been a good offensive coach. His whole problem was that he never had a defense worth a darn. That's pretty much the opposite of what we're seeing here.

He's doing a great job with Schaub, who isn't nearly as good as Romo.

You meah like Dallas last year were our offense ranked higher than Houston and points scored was about the same and how Dallas defense ranked much lower than Houston defense?

Things are not that much different with Kubiak situation where Houston redzone had issue do they have issues now? No but He had been the HC since 2006 as opposed to Garrett being the HC since 2011? Houston gave Kubiak time despite how the fans hated him here in Houston and wanted him gone. Fans knew best well guess what fans don't know best and after 5 years he got them to a playoff be it in a very weak division that includes Tenn, Jack and a Manningless Colts team. This year his 6th season year they are clearly a very good team. It did not happen overnight and his offense and his play calling were constantly under scrutiny but Houston ownership was smart enough not to listen to the constant calling for Kubiak to be fired.

 

[Doc50]

Not even close.

Something he wants so badly and will never have. He can't buy it either........try as he may.

Something he owns, and we don't - no badly how badly we want it, we'll never have it.

If you think the Cowboy's look, roster, style of play, marquis players, cheerleaders, stadium, art collection, lingerie store, and souvenirs aren't directly influenced by Mr. "socks-to-jocks" Jones, then you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Bigdog]

please tell me you aren't comparing Garrett to those legends

no but before they became legend they failed. Dean Smith was burned in effigy and Bryant was almost run out of town at Texas AM. I just saying what others have said and Hos said it the best "Patience will be rewarded and impatience disregard" Give it some time. I think Garrett will become a very good coach and win some Super Bowls. This reminds of a sign that was posted on Interstate 93 in Boston when the Big Dig was going on. The sign said "Rome wasn't built in a day. If it was we would have hired their contractors."

 

[Omegasupreme]

The question of resume is what fuels most of this argument against Garrett. What did he show in any accomplishment to warrant moving from a QB coach with Miami to an assistant HC and OC? Then what was securely accomplished in his tenure as OC (I.E. Not just 2007) to make him a quality candidate for HC. The problems with the short yardage game and red zone were never fixed and yet he was handed the HC job as a smart HC capable of...? I don't know, because his resume is still a mystery. Maybe he was actually born in Kenya and his birth certificate says Hawaii.
I have not seen a single strong HC move by him. Just a lot of talk and questionable management.
So why what had he done to get any of his jobs and what has he done to warrant keeping him?

 

[nalam]

Quote - from " Coaches who need to be fired "

8. With 83 seconds to play, the ball on the Giants' 28 and three timeouts in its pocket, Dallas faced second-and-1 and somehow never ran the ball once to get a new set of downs.

Cowboys coach Jason Garrett had QB Tony Romo throw the ball three straight times. Two fell incomplete, the last was picked off.

You have to run the ball on third down. I don’t care if they know it’s coming. I don’t care that Felix Jones is unreliable and already had a critical fumble. Tony Boo Boo is unreliable, too. Tony Boo Boo threw four interceptions on Sunday.

Jason Garrett is an idiot.

Looks like we are not the only one who think that 1 play out of three have been a run , QB sneak or some other effort to get that one yard

 

[jobberone]

Before the game many here predicted not only a loss but a big one. Many thought Dallas had no chance.

I'll bet you all the money you have that Tom Coughlin and more than a few of his players don't want to face Dallas again this year.

They proved they belong on the same field as NY. It's still a loss but there are positives to take away from that game.