*** Official Jason Garrett Thread ***

[wileedog]

No defense in the NFL can hold a lead with the amount of time Ryan's defense sees the ball.

Dallas held the ball for 5 more minutes than NE today, 32 to 27.

 

[MegaMagick]

Romo can change the play at the line can't he?

Romo can, but his confidence is probably at an all time low. If he checks into something and makes a mistake, then of course he's killed in the media.

He's very thin skinned and fragile.

 

[gbrittain]

So you're trying to tell me that if Romo chucks a pick or someone drops a pass to stop the clock the very same people crying now would not be complaining?



yeah sure.... seen this FAR to many times to know that's not true

Ok. I will play. Some fans are hypocritical. Complain win, complain lose, complain draw, complain run, complain pass, complain, complain and more complain. You got me.

I am not talking about those fans.

 

[jason54858]

That ****ing shovel pass. good god.

Yeah that was crap

 

[links18]

Yes he can. Dez one on one? TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

Anyway you look at it: EPIC FAIL.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

I'm not the not one of the geniuses crying about something for 2 straight weeks then when i finally get what i was crying about cry about that cause it didn't work like i was expecting

Thanks for confirming what I just said.

The "you told me to do this last week so this is what I'm going to do this week" argument doesn't really fly in the NFL. You have to have a feel for what is happening and what is working in THAT GAME. Last week doesn't matter. Garrett has no feel for the flow of the game at all.

Yes, last week running would have been smart because Romo was all over the place. He was a walking interception and Garrett didn't adjust to that.

Today, our WR's were running wide open in the second half, Dez had 1-on-1 coverage against a midget DB, our o-line was pass blocking well...and Garrett runs 3 straight times.

That was nothing more than a "you told me to run last week, so here you go!" move by Garrett. Completely pathetic.

 

[Givincer]

I can't quite understand the shovel pass call at the 5 yard line.

After this transpired, I think, everyone realized the game was probably lost:

Dallas - 9:08

1st-10, DAL32 9:08 T. Romo passed to D. Murray to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, DAL39 8:34 Dallas committed 10 yard penalty
2nd-13, DAL29 8:17 T. Romo rushed to the left for 17 yard gain
1st-10, DAL46 7:39 T. Romo incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, DAL46 7:34 T. Romo passed to L. Robinson to the right for 32 yard gain
1st-10, NE22 7:00 T. Romo passed to K. Ogletree down the middle for 12 yard gain
1st-10, NE10 6:25 T. Romo passed to M. Bennett to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, NE5 5:56 T. Romo incomplete pass to the left
3rd-5, NE5 5:52 T. Romo passed to T. Choice down the middle for 3 yard loss
4th-8, NE8 5:13 D. Bailey kicked a 26-yard field goal

Dallas - 5:07
Dallas kicked off, S. Ridley returned kickoff for 22 yards

New England - 5:07
1st-10, NE22 5:07 T. Brady passed to R. Gronkowski to the right for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, NE31 4:27 B. Green-Ellis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss
3rd-4, NE28 3:52 T. Brady incomplete pass down the middle
4th-4, NE28 3:36 Z. Mesko punt. D. Harris returned punt for 1 yard loss

Dallas - 3:36
1st-10, DAL28 3:36 D. Murray rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, DAL26 2:52 D. Murray rushed to the right for 1 yard loss
3rd-13, DAL25 2:47 Dallas committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-18, DAL20 2:47 T. Choice rushed to the right for 8 yard gain
4th-10, DAL28 2:31 M. McBriar punt. W. Welker returned punt for 12 yards

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Giving Tom Brady the ball back with 2:31 with a 3 point lead is really asking to be beat. Honestly, what's the difference between giving Brady the ball back with 2:50 and 2 time outs or 2:31 and 1 time out?

Would have been much better served trying for the first down as it was our only true chance of winning.

 

[jason54858]

Dallas held the ball for 5 more minutes than NE today, 32 to 27.

OK
So it was the defenses fault Dallas lost this game. right?

 

[Ren]

Play to your strengths. Unless you're stupid.

We did that 2 weeks ago and still lost

 

[gbrittain]

Yeah, yeah Ok I agree with you.
But that being said, I understood his logic in attempting to run the ball

I understood the logic too, the problem is our running game is the worst part of our team.

 

[links18]

Romo can, but his confidence is probably at an all time low. If he checks into something and makes a mistake, then of course he's killed in the media.

He's very thin skinned and fragile.

They are killing him in the media anyway.

I wonder if JG had similar thoughts? "If I throw it here and its a negative blame they will skewer me."

 

[loublue22]

what scares me most about the people comparing the Lions game to this one is that it's possible Garrett was doing the same thing

 

[Hoofbite]

This fanbase is a bunch of hypocrites, if we come out passing with the lead and Romo chucks another pick late with the lead the very same people crying about Garrets playcalling would be crying about Garretts playcalling. For the last 2 weeks we've seen nothing but run the ball take time of the clock whining and here we did just that, it didn't work, we lost and now people are crying about us not passing.

We lost cause we're just not that good, the coach isn't holding us back it's the lack of talent, specially interior OL talent, when you go cheap you get what you get.


Give this team a chance to win and they'll find a way to lose it never fails.
Garrett did his best to protect this team from them selves today and they still found a way to lose. Penalties, dropped passes and missed opportunities.

I guarantee next week against the Rams a team we should beat easily we'll play down to their level and either win or lose a close one again
If there's a bright spot here it's that the Pats will hand a L to every team in this division so in the long run this one will even out.

Alright, this **** has gone on long enough.

First and foremost, I said he should run against Detroit and I'm totally fine with running today. In fact, I wanted him to run. Formations are another story but that's not the topic.

Secondly, generalizing some broad hypocrite title to everyone who claims they should have run today is nothing short of foolish.

A) The people who are claiming they should have passed today may not, and likely the vast majority are not, the same people who claimed they should have run against Detroit. Just because someone is pro-pass today doesn't automatically mean that they were pro-run against the Lions. It doesn't even mean they commented at all.

Taking an argument from a select group of posters and holding it up as some evidence against another group of posters is dishonest. Maybe not intentionally but ultimately it is.

B) Even if people were pro-run against Detroit and pro-pass against New England, it means nothing because the situations were so vastly different.

Against the Lions there was absolutely no way they would get back in the game without having turnovers. I don't care what anyone says, that's the reality of the situation. I wonder how much clock Dallas could have taken off if they would have just lined up and kneeled into a punt every possession after being up 24 points. I'd bet it would be a lot and even then you'd have to have the combination of the Lions scoring a ****-ton to lose. The lions had done next to nothing ALL DAY on offense and the odds of them suddenly just lighting the world on fire were slim-to-none. There is absolutely zero argument in favor of passing. None at all.

Today, not the same story. And let me preface this by saying again that I was pro-run in both games. Similar in that the defense playing great football but the Patriots had shown they could move the ball. They were running pretty well towards the end. So, while I am strongly in support of running the ball today because I think you have to play the game according to how you got into a situation (namely, Defense) I can see the argument for being pro-pass. Only up 3 against a guy who's entire career is basically written on his ability to come through in the clutch. The Patriots had scored before, they were running the ball well and I think most everyone was afraid of Brady getting the ball again. Eating and failing to gain a first down is only marginally better than going three and out on passes. Still plenty of time and if you really think Brady is going to add another notch in his belt, you have to get a first down to be able to eat the clock.

Comparing one against the other if it is even possible is completely removing all context from the situation.

There was zero reason to sling the ball against Detroit whereas if you are worried about your defense not holding up, there's valid reasons to pass the ball against New England.

Again, I support running in both situations.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dallas held the ball for 5 more minutes than NE today, 32 to 27.

:laugh2:

Way to ruin a not-so-good post.

 

[Hoofbite]

We did that 2 weeks ago and still lost

No they didn't. The defense has been unquestionably better than the offense this year.

Playing to their strength would have involved letting the defense close the game out, not putting up pass after pass.

 

[links18]

I can't quite understand the shovel pass call at the 5 yard line.

After this transpired, I think, everyone realized the game was probably lost:

Dallas - 9:08

1st-10, DAL32 9:08 T. Romo passed to D. Murray to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, DAL39 8:34 Dallas committed 10 yard penalty
2nd-13, DAL29 8:17 T. Romo rushed to the left for 17 yard gain
1st-10, DAL46 7:39 T. Romo incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, DAL46 7:34 T. Romo passed to L. Robinson to the right for 32 yard gain
1st-10, NE22 7:00 T. Romo passed to K. Ogletree down the middle for 12 yard gain
1st-10, NE10 6:25 T. Romo passed to M. Bennett to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, NE5 5:56 T. Romo incomplete pass to the left
3rd-5, NE5 5:52 T. Romo passed to T. Choice down the middle for 3 yard loss
4th-8, NE8 5:13 D. Bailey kicked a 26-yard field goal

Dallas - 5:07
Dallas kicked off, S. Ridley returned kickoff for 22 yards

New England - 5:07
1st-10, NE22 5:07 T. Brady passed to R. Gronkowski to the right for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, NE31 4:27 B. Green-Ellis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss
3rd-4, NE28 3:52 T. Brady incomplete pass down the middle
4th-4, NE28 3:36 Z. Mesko punt. D. Harris returned punt for 1 yard loss

Dallas - 3:36
1st-10, DAL28 3:36 D. Murray rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, DAL26 2:52 D. Murray rushed to the right for 1 yard loss
3rd-13, DAL25 2:47 Dallas committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-18, DAL20 2:47 T. Choice rushed to the right for 8 yard gain
4th-10, DAL28 2:31 M. McBriar punt. W. Welker returned punt for 12 yards

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Giving Tom Brady the ball back with 2:31 with a 3 point lead is really asking to be beat. Honestly, what's the difference between giving Brady the ball back with 2:50 and 2 time outs or 2:31 and 1 time out?

Would have been much better served trying for the first down as it was our only true chance of winning.

It amazing that there are people here who actually try to contest this.

 

[Kevinicus]

No defense in the NFL can hold a lead with the amount of time Ryan's defense sees the ball.

You don't have much of a clue do you? I'd bet that Ryan's D is on the defenses in the NFL that are on the field the least amount of time.

 

[Soth]

I can't quite understand the shovel pass call at the 5 yard line.

After this transpired, I think, everyone realized the game was probably lost:

Dallas - 9:08

1st-10, DAL32 9:08 T. Romo passed to D. Murray to the right for 7 yard gain
2nd-3, DAL39 8:34 Dallas committed 10 yard penalty
2nd-13, DAL29 8:17 T. Romo rushed to the left for 17 yard gain
1st-10, DAL46 7:39 T. Romo incomplete pass down the middle
2nd-10, DAL46 7:34 T. Romo passed to L. Robinson to the right for 32 yard gain
1st-10, NE22 7:00 T. Romo passed to K. Ogletree down the middle for 12 yard gain
1st-10, NE10 6:25 T. Romo passed to M. Bennett to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, NE5 5:56 T. Romo incomplete pass to the left
3rd-5, NE5 5:52 T. Romo passed to T. Choice down the middle for 3 yard loss
4th-8, NE8 5:13 D. Bailey kicked a 26-yard field goal

Dallas - 5:07
Dallas kicked off, S. Ridley returned kickoff for 22 yards

New England - 5:07
1st-10, NE22 5:07 T. Brady passed to R. Gronkowski to the right for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, NE31 4:27 B. Green-Ellis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss
3rd-4, NE28 3:52 T. Brady incomplete pass down the middle
4th-4, NE28 3:36 Z. Mesko punt. D. Harris returned punt for 1 yard loss

Dallas - 3:36
1st-10, DAL28 3:36 D. Murray rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, DAL26 2:52 D. Murray rushed to the right for 1 yard loss
3rd-13, DAL25 2:47 Dallas committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-18, DAL20 2:47 T. Choice rushed to the right for 8 yard gain
4th-10, DAL28 2:31 M. McBriar punt. W. Welker returned punt for 12 yards

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Giving Tom Brady the ball back with 2:31 with a 3 point lead is really asking to be beat. Honestly, what's the difference between giving Brady the ball back with 2:50 and 2 time outs or 2:31 and 1 time out?

Would have been much better served trying for the first down as it was our only true chance of winning.

You are over thinking this. According to some posters, the logic is as follows: Everyone wanted Garrett to run the last game with a 20+ lead. So now he should have run with a 3 point lead. The score, opponent, time left don't matter!

 

[dreghorn2]

We can B*t*h all we want, we should have slammed a 30 spot on that defense.

 

[cowfan]

I thought he was to conservative with that last drive, but I don't think Garrett should be bashed for the decision. If he had called passing plays and Romo threw an interception then some would still be bashing him. The Cowboys lost but it is game that I don't think anyone should be bashed.