Officially on the anti-zimmer bandwagon

[dargonking999]

Once again, the fact that fans know everything is so silly to me.


BP runs this team, offense Defense, everything. Zimmer does not call anything on defense without BP's consent. Fire Zimmer bring in the best Greg Williams, and guess wat....... WE STILL WONT BLITZ.

This is BP's team.. You got a problem fire BP.

 

[theogt]

Once again, the fact that fans know everything is so silly to me.


BP runs this team, offense Defense, everything. Zimmer does not call anything on defense without BP's consent. Fire Zimmer bring in the best Greg Williams, and guess wat....... WE STILL WONT BLITZ.

This is BP's team.. You got a problem fire BP.

Oh, we're blitzing. There's really no problem with a lack of blitzing. It's simply the execution of the blitzes (or perhaps the design of the blitzes). They look sluggish and horribly timed. Corner blitzes when the corner is 20 yards from the QB? Delayed safety blitz 5 seconds after the snap? They just look bad.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is basically a ridiculous argument. There are simple truths that shouldn't be that hard to agree on.

SIMPLE TRUTHS:

1. While Zimmer coordinates the defense, he doesn't decide the defensive style - Parcells does.

2. Sacks aren't everything, but our lack of QB pressure is still a weakness of our defense.

3. Defensive schemes and blitz packages can help get pressure, but they can't completely cover for a lack of pass rushing talent.

4. Ware is not a sack machine, and it isn't Zimmer's fault. Ware is who he is and has to work to get better.

5. Spears and Canty weren't drafted to be major cogs in the pass rush.

6. Manning will eat us alive in a few weeks if we don't find a way to generate a better pass rush.

Excellent post.


We "dumped" our 2nd or 3rd best pass rusher and he wasn't replaced-- at least not yet.

 

[Daudr]

If you want the D to me more agressive get rid of BP. He's the one who doenst like to blitz. I just dont understand why people dont understand that. Especially since BP has stated it before. I could care less if we got rid of Zim but he's not the one who chooses to have a passive D.

Yeah, no kidding. Parcell's outright stated that Zimmer likes to be more aggressive, but he holds him back.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

he had 9 sacks as a Senior...didnt say he was a sack machine, but he was a good pass rusher...I saw the guy play virtually every week for two seasons

so sorry, your wrong MW

David

The guy had 19 sacks for his college career. You've got a guy here that may get 4 in a season if he's lucky.

 

[Established1971]

I will give you major credit for coming in here after a decisive win and talking about the lack of pressure on the QB. I am not being sarcastic either, because I agree with this sentiment.

It is most definitely not about sacks, as you say but about putting pressure on the QB. Sacks though are like INTs. Sacks may not be the best measurement, but usually the teams that sack the QB the most are the same teams that tend to pressure the QB the most. Sounds kind of silly even having to type such elementary logic there, but it is true.

I love the fact that we held Carolina to one hard earned TD and one fairly cheap TD. I will take that every day of the week. Problem is flaws usually at some point get exposed. Some blame Mike Zimmer and others blame the players execution. I am not even up for that debate right now, but the bottom line is Dallas is not that good at pressuring the QB right now.

It reminds me of the Stink fans ever since they beat the Cowboys with two miracle throws with less than a few minutes to play. All I heard was how great they were, it was not luck, and etcetera. The reality of it was, you enjoy a win like that, but realize that hopefully next week you do not wait until the very last second and pray that you get really lucky for a win.

I feel kind of the same way in regards to the way Dallas has not pressured QBs. I will take the final results that Dallas held them and held them well. I never had that feeling though that the defense was totally in charge and dominating. I do feel if we harrassed the QB, and that you add all the other good things our defense did that we would have a dominant defense.

well explained post

true we are sub par on the pressure, one good thing though is the D is more of a play making D than its been in years, with 3 defensive TD's and what seems to me anyway are more forced fumbles. Love when they knock the ball out of the throwing qb's hand. How many times has that happened since last years rookies came in? Not sure but more than the few years before I would bet

 

[hmcorp]

We do need more pressure on the quarterback.

Some times I see it other times I dont.

A lot of teams run 3 step drops and do quick releases against us.
I think a lot of the problem was the lack of playmaking by patrick watkins too.

Too many plays were given up deep by him. Ellis also has let the QB go 3 times when he HAD HIM. I mean that has been a problem too.

I do know that right now we are on pace for about 37 sacks.

That unfortunately would be the same as last year.

But we have gotten 15 takeaways already. Last year we finished with 26 total.

So some good signs.

I think most Qbs we play get rid of the ball very quickly too. I mean we sacked mcnabb and sacked brunell. But they werent releasing the ball quick.

Carr was against us. And so did jake (until the 4th quarter when he was looking to make a play)

I think most teams are playing close to the vest with us. I mean the eagles had 3 big passing plays on one guy.
THe giants had one on that same guy. I dont know.

It just feels like the defense is doing well just not quite there with the pressure on the Qb.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I blame Spears/Canty more than Zimmer. Those guys can't rush the passer.

I am starting to think the same.......so they need another year in the weight room? Hang out more with Merriman in the off season or what?

 

[adbutcher]

We are now ranked 4th in the nfl in overall defensive yards allowed.
We're ranked 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards allowed.
We're ranked 12 in the NFL in passing yards allowed.

We're ranked 8th in the NFL on 1st downs allowed.
We're ranked 8th in the NFL on 3rd down conversion percentage allowed.

We're rated 7th in the NFL in opponent Passing rating. So much for the lack of blitz really hurting us. We're also rated 11th in the NFL in total sacks throughout the season. Only 3 teams with more sacks than us have a lower allowed QB rating. Chicago has the lowest QB rating allowed, and has only 4 more sacks than us.


Ranked 6th in the NFL in penalties on Defense.

GROZ train stops here.

 

[ConstantReboot]

No doubt Zimmer called a good game. Not great but pretty good and I give him credit.

However, why is it that when our defense does well alot of people here give Zimmer credit and not the players? Now when the defense does poorly all blame is given to the players and when someone mentions that its Zimmer fault people come out of the woods to defend him?

Zimmer is what he is. His a 4-3 def. coordinator who is passive....just like how Parcells wants him to coach this defense. If we aren't getting pressure and sacks, Zimmer needs to take most of that blame.

 

[Stautner]

No doubt Zimmer called a good game. Not great but pretty good and I give him credit.

However, why is it that when our defense does well alot of people here give Zimmer credit and not the players? Now when the defense does poorly all blame is given to the players and when someone mentions that its Zimmer fault people come out of the woods to defend him?

Zimmer is what he is. His a 4-3 def. coordinator who is passive....just like how Parcells wants him to coach this defense. If we aren't getting pressure and sacks, Zimmer needs to take most of that blame.

You have this backwards - the Zimmer haters always come out after a loss.

 

[Cbz40]

This is basically a ridiculous argument. There are simple truths that shouldn't be that hard to agree on.

SIMPLE TRUTHS:

1. While Zimmer coordinates the defense, he doesn't decide the defensive style - Parcells does.

2. Sacks aren't everything, but our lack of QB pressure is still a weakness of our defense.

3. Defensive schemes and blitz packages can help get pressure, but they can't completely cover for a lack of pass rushing talent.

4. Ware is not a sack machine, and it isn't Zimmer's fault. Ware is who he is and has to work to get better.

5. Spears and Canty weren't drafted to be major cogs in the pass rush.

6. Manning will eat us alive in a few weeks if we don't find a way to generate a better pass rush.[/QUOTE]


Isn't that the truth.... Good post.

We give the opposing QB to much time to pick us apart. There has to be a way to at least get enough pressure in order to disrupt timing, force a feeling of discomfort, which in turn causes inaccuracy and turnovers.

There has to be a way.

 

[BigDFan5]

I think some of us should start a GROGROZ movement

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

We are now ranked 4th in the nfl in overall defensive yards allowed.
We're ranked 3rd in the NFL in rushing yards allowed.
We're ranked 12 in the NFL in passing yards allowed.

We're ranked 8th in the NFL on 1st downs allowed.
We're ranked 8th in the NFL on 3rd down conversion percentage allowed.

We're rated 7th in the NFL in opponent Passing rating. So much for the lack of blitz really hurting us. We're also rated 11th in the NFL in total sacks throughout the season. Only 3 teams with more sacks than us have a lower allowed QB rating. Chicago has the lowest QB rating allowed, and has only 4 more sacks than us.


Ranked 6th in the NFL in penalties on Defense.

I'm officially on the anti-anti Zimmer bandwagon bandwagon. Geez, some of ya'll kill me with the "we don't blitz enough" talk. Look at those stats above and....

Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson were limited to a combined seven catches for 74 yards. The Panthers' offense was limited to 51 plays and rushed for 76 yards, and had the ball just 21:44.


Boy we suck and it's ALL Zim's fault!

 

[Chuck 54]

Actually we got a good amount of pressure last night. 3 sacks, a FF on the QB, and a forced INT. Delhomme has a quick release so he beat us on a couple other opportunities. Still he was making some bad throws because of pressure and that's exactly what you want. It wasn't a 6 sack game, but he didn't have a lot of time in the pocket.

But I'm referring to when we got most of the pressure...?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Parcells and Zimmer like to play a coverage scheme. The posters of the GROZ want a blitzing Ryanesque scheme. The two will never see eye to eye but I do have this to offer:

The Cowboys of the last decade and the Patriots of the current both employed our current philosophy. They have 6 Super Bowl trophies to show for it. On the other hadn all the DCs that GROZ sees as the beacon of hope, Johnson, Williams, Cunningham et al, have wone ZERO with only Johnson the sole one getting close and ultimately losing to the Patriots.

So Cowboys fans go ahead and use your 'sight' test and live in your fantasy land. Unless your playing the Raiders and the Browns of the world, you just arent going to get heavy pressure in 2 seconds every play.

The fact that were in the top 12 of the league in pass rush statistics despite playing a coverage scheme should tell you something.

Being top 5 in pretty much every important defensive category should tell you something.

I have an idea tho i recommend that the GROZ people all go and watch the Eagles and Commanders play because those teams have DCs that know what they are doing, right? Oh wait. Im just waiting to see who it is they pick to be their messiah this year.

 

[Chuck 54]

Yeah, (3) sacks, a forced fumble and gave up 204 total yards (1) TD was on a short field via a turnover. I think the Cowboys dominated Carolina. Sure there were a few plays were less than what you want, but that happens in every game. 204 yards of total offense is nothing. Subtract garbage time yards and it's even worse than 204 total yards.

Again, my thread was addressing the vanilla defense with little or not pressure when the game is even or we're behind....If Keyshaun catches that td pass behind Henry, we have a very different game as they build an even bigger lead.

I want to hear people address the idea that Zimmer doesn't bring any creative blitzing unless/until we have a lead...why not bring it earlier to help us get a lead over good teams.

 

[Chuck 54]

Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys didn't blitz too often until afteer they had a lead. They relied on the front four to get pressure. Once they got the lead, then they would release the hounds. This was the common MO. The same one that Parcell's likes to use as well. They may vary it a bit, but most of the time they won't blitz until they feel secure about their lead.

that's an accurate history lesson, but the fact is that we don't get any pressure without the blitz...period....we didn't even get any pressure from Ware for most of the game...we should play more like the top teams...bring pressure every key down, even if it's just a run blitz.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

that's an accurate history lesson, but the fact is that we don't get any pressure without the blitz...period....we didn't even get any pressure from Ware for most of the game...we should play more like the top teams...bring pressure every key down, even if it's just a run blitz.

You must consider 'top teams' to be teams not at the top of the standings. Even tho the Bears blitz more than others but heres a list of teams that dont blitz a lot: Giants, Vikings, Hawks, Patriots, Ravens, Jacksonville, and the Broncos. The Broncos most noticeabley stated that it wasnt until they stopped blitzing that their defense shored up.

Bottomline is that a good offense will kill a blitzing defense every time. Manning makes a living off of it and even the granddaddy of all blitzing defenses, the 85 Bears, had their Miami Dolphins.

Keep trying tho.

 

[Chuck 54]

I give up...my own thread is frustrating me.

People are arguing things that have nothing to do with the question I posed...only 3-4 people even addressed it.

I can accept the proposition that it's Parcells fault we don't pressure more, maybe Zimmer wants to and Parcells holds him back...that could be, I'll never know because I'm not there.

Everyone else is arguing how great the defense played and the wonderful win....Yes, it was a wonderful win...I said that myself. But guys, that game, even though Romo played better than anyone could hope for, that game hinged on 1. Keyshuan dropping an easy td pass that would have given them a big lead (7 pts off their score); 2. the fumble on the kick return (pts. for us; 3. the Roy int. (pts. for us)...We dominated the time of possession and the game, but hear my point and question one more time:

Delhomme had plenty of time in the pocket until we had the lead....he had receivers dropping easy passes, rb's dropped at least 3 easy first down passes with plenty of room to run....they could have had an insurmountable lead when you consider that was only the 2nd time in all the years BP has coached that his team has ever come back from a 14 pt. deficit. I find that a shocking, though unimportant stat.

All I want to know is this: If our team can totally wreck havoc with an offense when we have the lead, create sacks, rush bad passes, cause fumbles, intercept passes, and force punts....then why the heck don't we turn them loose more often?

You're not going to tell me it's because we have to be careful early...come on...that's lame...you aren't foolish enough to think we didn't have the safeties back during those blitzes in the 4th quarter, do you? Like we're going to risk giving up an easy TD when we have a lead?...no way. IN the fourth quarter, we turned it loose, we ran some creative stuff, we brought the heat, and it wasn't with the front 3 or the 3 + Ware...we brought Ellis and inside backers too.

Parcells finally set the offense free, and it worked out pretty well....I think it's time to set the defense free and let Zimmer bring the type of pressure that creates easy opportunities and good field position for the offense...and bring it early.