Officials and TO

[Doomsday]

What is up with all the bogus calls against TO this year? Does the NFL have it out for him or what? That was the 3rd time this year he was called for spiking the ball when all he did was drop it behind him. He has had a couple of really questionable offensive PI penalties called on him and there is was obvious he was pushed out of bounds on another catch he had in the 4th quarter.

 

[superpunk]

You are not allowed to do what he did with the ball. He rolled it downfield. It is a violation of the rules.

However...

The call they made was wrong, I think. That is supposed to be a delay of game penalty, not a personal foul.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You are not allowed to do what he did with the ball. He rolled it downfield. It is a violation of the rules.

However...

The call they made was wrong, I think. That is supposed to be a delay of game penalty, not a personal foul.

So if they are going to call it, call it in the 4th qtr when the Buff receiver did it too.

Some people like TO, some don't, so it is only logical that some refs don't like TO as well.

There was face-guarding and PI on the two pt conversion, .. and he would have come down with that one pass completion had he not been shoved out of bounds.

Just facts, not my opinion.

 

[joseephuss]

You are not allowed to do what he did with the ball. He rolled it downfield. It is a violation of the rules.

However...

The call they made was wrong, I think. That is supposed to be a delay of game penalty, not a personal foul.

They got the call right and only marked off 5 yards even though the ref announced it incorrectly by saying personal foul. I knew it would be called as soon as TO let the ball go. Bad decision by him. Barber did something similar later in the game, but was not flagged.

 

[Woohitz]

Well, on another note, I thought the 2pt conversion play should have been P.I. on Buffalo. The DB never looked for the ball.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think they are using his reputation to determine their calls. Crayton chucked a ball sky high a week or two ago and didn't get called for anything. Then again, he was on the sideline and if that's the reason then the penalty itself looks all the more BS.

I've seen player after player get away with a spike or ball toss and nothing.

Also, I was thinking about how and the hell the guys upstairs decided to review that last play. It looked like a catch live but in the 9 seconds between the next snap they had called for a review. I think they wanted a better look because he is prone to dropping the ball. If that were Holt or Harrison, I think they sit on their hands.

the pushout was terrible. his outside foot landed in bounds and unless he was doing the damned grapevine, I see no way his other foot wouldn't have hit in bounds too.

I was thinking the same thing regarding the refs keeping an extra eye on him and it really looks like they do.

 

[1fisher]

So if they are going to call it, call it in the 4th qtr when the Buff receiver did it too.

Some people like TO, some don't, so it is only logical that some refs don't like TO as well.

There was face-guarding and PI on the two pt conversion, .. and he would have come down with that one pass completion had he not been shoved out of bounds.

Just facts, not my opinion.

I agree with you on this WV.... Horrible officiating last night.

On the last drive, the incomplete pass to owens that was reviewed, did you see how the official was lolly gagging around getting the ball lined up!? I wanted to punch the TV (like that would do any good).......:bang2:



Romo hurt us more than the officials.

 

[SultanOfSix]

There was one play after TNew's interception, when Romo threw his final pick, where the ref blatantly got in the way of TO when he beat his man running a crossing route across the middle of the field. I mean, he moved right into the path of TO while looking at him. It was unbelievable. I swear, he was like the 12th man on the field for them.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was hacked off that they replayed the pass to TO after Romo came up and spiked the ball with 1 sec. Once that play happens you can't go back to replay yet in this case they did.

 

[stealth]

I have been wrong and well be again, but I thought face gaurding was no longer a rule.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

I didn't think the officiating was any worse than most games, but the ones that did stick out that went against the Cowboys were:

TO's "spike" - I thought it was big time ticky-tack, that should have been a no call.

There should have been a call when Mc Briar was hit on the punt.

I thought the "D" on the 2-pnt conversion was pretty good. I am going to hate on the call instead. I despise the fade pattern. It's a hard throw, and the receiver has to make the hard catch.

TO's push out was too close to make the call. In slow mo, yeah, easy to see, but at full speed, that's a legit no call.

I thought they let a few PI penalties go that would have definately been called if it were our DB's.

Overall, I thought our game was officiated pretty well compared to some real bad ones on Sunday.

 

[adamknite]

What I want to know, is how many times is McBriar going to get hit this year without a penalty getting called.

 

[lurkercowboy]

At least they called holding on the guard who held Bowen. I saw that live and thought there we go again with another holding non-call.

 

[DallasEast]

The real question is whether Owens can stop himself from spiking the ball, flipping the ball, throwing down the ball, etc. Owens' reputation influences the refs calls.

Are the refs justified in making a bad call if he doesn't technically spike the ball? Of course not. However, the refs aren't going to stop interpreting how Owens spikes the ball the way they deem is against the rules. Is that justifiable? Again, of course not, but that's how it is.

Whether he likes it or not, the refs place him under a microscope every single game. Spiking the ball is a learned behavior that every player has ingrained within himself and tends to do subconsciously. The solution would be a hard alternative to what he does naturally. For example, if he could somehow teach himself to consciously toss the ball to the refs each time, it would eliminate the chances of them flaggin him for spiking.

Is that fair to Owens? Nope, but in the refs' eyes, Owens isn't just another player. It seems as if they're literally itching to throw flags at him, whether he is in the right or wrong. So far, the penalties that he has justifiably or wrongfully drawn haven't hurt the team's final score, but it takes just ONE flag to determine the outcome of a game.

I hope that 'one flag' never materializes this season, but I especially hope that it doesn't happen against the Patriots. Keeping penalties to a bare minimum will be an asset in a victory over New England. To accomplish that feat, Adams will have to prevent his habitual false starts, Roy will have to will himself to not give the tiniest impression of a horse collar tackle, etc., etc.

AND Owens will have to force himself from spiking the ball--even when he's not REALLY spiking the ball. Does he have to comply in this fashion? Not at all, but if it could determine the smallest chance of either a victory or defeat...

Well. :crossed:

 

[Smith22]

What I want to know, is how many times is McBriar going to get hit this year without a penalty getting called.

In the Ravens/49'ers game, they called running into the punter when the guy ducked to miss him, barely grazing him, and yet they still called it. Every time McBriar falls, they seem to look the other way. Strange indeed.

 

[Doomsday]

Im not sure I would call what TO did rolling the ball down field. He basically dropped the ball behind him and like footballs usually do it rolled. Pretty weak call in my opinion.

 

[DallasEast]

Im not sure I would call what TO did rolling the ball down field. He basically dropped the ball behind him and like footballs usually do it rolled. Pretty weak call in my opinion.

If the call is wrong, it's wrong. That's not going to change.

Here's the deal: if the refs see that Owens 'basically dropped the ball behind him', it's a higher probability that they will throw a flag on him than they would any other player. That's the situation in a nutshell.

Is that right? Nope, but there are ways for Owens to prevent the refs from throwing a flag if he has the initial urge to 'basically drop the ball behind him'.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He didnt spike it... but he should have thrown it away from the NEW LOS

 

[DallasEast]

He didnt spike it... but he should have thrown it away from the NEW LOS

Being that it is Owens, throwing it away from the new line of scrimmage may still have garnered a flag in the refs eyes. Tossing the ball to the refs may be a better alternative--or, at least, for the short-term.

 

[joseephuss]

It doesn't have to be a traditional spike. Just throwing the ball can earn a penalty. It can be a subjective call and T.O. will not get the benefit of the doubt. The refs will be more strict with him. That sucks, but he knows this or at least should know this by now. Flip the ball to the refs or just drop it straight down to your feet. Stop tossing the football to the side.