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My first off season mock of the year. I dont expect us to do much but here is what i would do.

Keep: David Irving, Justin Durant, Jack Crawford
Release: Brandon Carr, Benson Mayowa, Kyle Wilber

I think we let both Mo and T McClain walk. They have been playing great this year but the possible asking prices may not be worth it with their injury history. Bring back the young and versatile Irving and look to the DB deep draft for CB help. Mayowa is released to make room for another DL and Wilber is let go for Jaylon Smith and he already lost his job to Wilson.

Free Agency: Demarcus Ware

No huge name DE in their prime on the market this year. Best ones would be Jabaal Sheard who im open to signing and Andre Branch who is meh to me. But we need immediate help and Ware coming in as a pass rush specialist could be a huge boost. Asking price won't be huge seeing as his forearm injury has allowed Shane Ray to step in and start to make some noise. Lets bring Ware back home.

1st.) WR John Ross III, Washington- Didn't think i would be making a mock with a WR in the 1st this year with all our defensive needs but John Ross is the WR that just about this entire board has been wishing for to play opposite of Dez. Ross is a big time playmaker with his elite speed and great hands. Not the biggest WR but he is average size with long arms. Also not the best route runner but neither was Dez in his early years. What gets me most excited is the comparisons to Desean Jackson when he played in Philly and NFL scouts saying he will be better then Brandin Cooks. If he is their at our pick i will be screaming at the TV for us to draft him.

2nd.) CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado- My favorite corner in this years draft. Awuzie is a triple threat at corner back. Great in the run support, best blitzing corner in the draft, and very good in coverage. Not the biggest corner at 5'11" 200lbs but he hits hard and is does a great job of coming up and limiting YAC. Some scouts believe he will be the steal of the draft and a future pro bowler.

3rd.) DE Jordan Willis, Kansas State- An edge rusher that i expect more posters on here to start to pay attention to in the near future. A handful on the strong side, Willis is a good all around defensive end. Good rusher and good in stopping the run. Finished his Junior year with 9.5 sacks, 15.5 TFL and 4 forced fumbles. So far this year he has 9 sacks & 13.5 TFL with 3 games left on the schedule so a double digit sack season is very possible for him. Move Tank to right side and play Willis at Left end with Ware coming in as a pass rush specialist.

4th.) SS Ahmad Thomas, Oklahoma- Thomas is a very hard hitting safety who excels at stuffing the run. Best as a box safety in the NFL, he still has good coverage skills and even plays some single high at Oklahoma. With both Church and Wilcox free agents and neither really worth bringing back, lets pair Jones with another young safety to develop with and create a good long term duo at safety.

6th.) CB Fabian Moreau, UCLA-
Underrated corner who has what scouts look for in tackling, coverage, and ball skills. He doesn't grab many interceptions but he does get a good amount of PBU's. if he can learn to turn them into turnovers then this would be a huge steal. Hoping he can be another late round find like Anthony Brown last draft.

7th.) OG Kyle Kalis, Michigan- Combo Guard/center, Kalis is potential cheap replacement for Looney. Has quick feet and the strength to be reliable in both pass and run blocking.

7th.) RB Khalfani Muhammad, California- Muhammad could probably be got after the draft but i would rather lock him down with a pick to make sure. He is a big time play maker as a scat back. He has great hands, 4.3 speed, and he hits his top speed in an instant. He has good vision and is very shifty to go along with his speed so he is always a threat to take it to the house when he rushes, catches a ball in the backfield, or returns a kick. He is small at 5'8" 170 lbs but he is very fearless with no hesitation running between the tackles and he is stronger then he looks. seen him truck a few a safeties and corners and keep running. Seen him lower the shoulder and deliver a shot right into the chest of linebackers and spin away for a few extra yards. He and Zeke would be a nightmare for defensive coordinators.
 

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Do you think Chandler Jones who I think will be a FA will be too rich for the Boys or just not what the Boys see as DE?
 

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Do you think Chandler Jones who I think will be a FA will be too rich for the Boys or just not what the Boys see as DE?
Forgot about him. Going to be a bidding war for him though. Not one we will enter seriously.
 

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That is what I was thinking. He will probably be too expensive for us
With Zack Martin big extension coming up followed by La'el Collins extension the year after, i don't see us spending big on a free agent. We will use free agency for depth players, stop gaps, and aged stars who can fill a needed role for cheap. No more are the days of build through free agency. Look at the Giants. Didn't really help them much after signing 3 defensive stars.
 

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Ware back at age 35?

No thanks.

Part of his success in Denver can be directly attributed to him playing opposite the best pass rusher currently in the game...Von Miller.
Looking at the free agent list, their is not much to get excited about. Bigdog brought up that Chandler Jones is may be on the market but he could just as easily return to Arizona or be overpaid by some team desperate for any kind of success. Their is Jabaal Sheard who is on pace to have a 7 sack season but we may have to pay him as if he is a double digit sack artist. Idk about that. Ware could come cheap and he has done more in way less snaps then the other aged stars who will be on the market like Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, and trent cole. Julius Peppers is the only other edge rusher who may be a improvement to our pass rush and he would be 37.
 

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He is having a heck of a season this year and its because he was injured is why he could fall to this pick. if not he is a 4th round pick easy. I get where your coming from though.


see have not watched him play at anytime - so have to leave it up to out scouts
 

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With Zack Martin big extension coming up followed by La'el Collins extension the year after, i don't see us spending big on a free agent. We will use free agency for depth players, stop gaps, and aged stars who can fill a needed role for cheap. No more are the days of build through free agency. Look at the Giants. Didn't really help them much after signing 3 defensive stars.

If by "didn't help much" you mean going from 6-10 and 30th ranked defense in 2015 to 6-3 with the 11th ranked defense then you would be correct:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Giants defensive FA have helped them a lot

It would be absolutely crazy to take a WR in Rd 1 and just as crazy to resign an over the hill Ware

We have to get younger and more talented on defense via FA and the draft. Priority has to be front 7 this off season
 

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... just as crazy to resign an over the hill Ware

Ware has been solid this year, would come cheap, and would get to retire as a Cowboy. I wanted to do the same with Terrence Newman last year. He's currently on pace to make the pro-bowl.
 

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Part of his success in Denver can be directly attributed to him playing opposite the best pass rusher currently in the game...Von Miller.

The only thing playing next to Miller does is take away double teams. Lawrence would likely do the same for him here. If not, he'll take them off of Lawrence. Ware is still a great shape and is a solid starter even now.
 

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If by "didn't help much" you mean going from 6-10 and 30th ranked defense in 2015 to 6-3 with the 11th ranked defense then you would be correct:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Giants defensive FA have helped them a lot

It would be absolutely crazy to take a WR in Rd 1 and just as crazy to resign an over the hill Ware

We have to get younger and more talented on defense via FA and the draft. Priority has to be front 7 this off season
Yet still may end up 4th in the division when all said and done. Aint that a *****. And you want to reach for another D law level DE at best just because you have to take a DE in the 1st instead of taking a DeSean Jackson or Brandin Cook type receiver. Riiiiiiiight.
 

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With Zack Martin big extension coming up followed by La'el Collins extension the year after, i don't see us spending big on a free agent. We will use free agency for depth players, stop gaps, and aged stars who can fill a needed role for cheap. No more are the days of build through free agency. Look at the Giants. Didn't really help them much after signing 3 defensive stars.
We don't have to extend Martin or Collins until 2019

A FA signed next year could be gone by then....no need to use OL extensions as a reason to be cheap
 

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If by "didn't help much" you mean going from 6-10 and 30th ranked defense in 2015 to 6-3 with the 11th ranked defense then you would be correct:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Giants defensive FA have helped them a lot

It would be absolutely crazy to take a WR in Rd 1 and just as crazy to resign an over the hill Ware

We have to get younger and more talented on defense via FA and the draft. Priority has to be front 7 this off season
I agree with most of that but the secondary is the big need......I would bring back Mo and Church
 

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We don't have to extend Martin or Collins until 2019

A FA signed next year could be gone by then....no need to use OL extensions as a reason to be cheap
But we extended Frederick early and i expect them to do the same for Martin. I know your the cap guru but the way you think and the way the front office thinks is always the complete opposite. So ill go with the current trend and patterns of the Stephen Jones led front office instead of creating some pipedream we all know will not happen like signing Mo, church, T McClain and still getting say Chandler Jones. our big gets last year was Thornton and Mayowa.
 

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My first off season mock of the year. I dont expect us to do much but here is what i would do.

Keep: David Irving, Justin Durant, Jack Crawford
Release: Brandon Carr, Benson Mayowa, Kyle Wilber

I think we let both Mo and T McClain walk. They have been playing great this year but the possible asking prices may not be worth it with their injury history. Bring back the young and versatile Irving and look to the DB deep draft for CB help. Mayowa is released to make room for another DL and Wilber is let go for Jaylon Smith and he already lost his job to Wilson.

Free Agency: Demarcus Ware

No huge name DE in their prime on the market this year. Best ones would be Jabaal Sheard who im open to signing and Andre Branch who is meh to me. But we need immediate help and Ware coming in as a pass rush specialist could be a huge boost. Asking price won't be huge seeing as his forearm injury has allowed Shane Ray to step in and start to make some noise. Lets bring Ware back home.

1st.) WR John Ross III, Washington- Didn't think i would be making a mock with a WR in the 1st this year with all our defensive needs but John Ross is the WR that just about this entire board has been wishing for to play opposite of Dez. Ross is a big time playmaker with his elite speed and great hands. Not the biggest WR but he is average size with long arms. Also not the best route runner but neither was Dez in his early years. What gets me most excited is the comparisons to Desean Jackson when he played in Philly and NFL scouts saying he will be better then Brandin Cooks. If he is their at our pick i will be screaming at the TV for us to draft him.

2nd.) CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado- My favorite corner in this years draft. Awuzie is a triple threat at corner back. Great in the run support, best blitzing corner in the draft, and very good in coverage. Not the biggest corner at 5'11" 200lbs but he hits hard and is does a great job of coming up and limiting YAC. Some scouts believe he will be the steal of the draft and a future pro bowler.

3rd.) DE Jordan Willis, Kansas State- An edge rusher that i expect more posters on here to start to pay attention to in the near future. A handful on the strong side, Willis is a good all around defensive end. Good rusher and good in stopping the run. Finished his Junior year with 9.5 sacks, 15.5 TFL and 4 forced fumbles. So far this year he has 9 sacks & 13.5 TFL with 3 games left on the schedule so a double digit sack season is very possible for him. Move Tank to right side and play Willis at Left end with Ware coming in as a pass rush specialist.

4th.) SS Ahmad Thomas, Oklahoma- Thomas is a very hard hitting safety who excels at stuffing the run. Best as a box safety in the NFL, he still has good coverage skills and even plays some single high at Oklahoma. With both Church and Wilcox free agents and neither really worth bringing back, lets pair Jones with another young safety to develop with and create a good long term duo at safety.

6th.) CB Fabian Moreau, UCLA-
Underrated corner who has what scouts look for in tackling, coverage, and ball skills. He doesn't grab many interceptions but he does get a good amount of PBU's. if he can learn to turn them into turnovers then this would be a huge steal. Hoping he can be another late round find like Anthony Brown last draft.

7th.) OG Kyle Kalis, Michigan- Combo Guard/center, Kalis is potential cheap replacement for Looney. Has quick feet and the strength to be reliable in both pass and run blocking.

7th.) RB Khalfani Muhammad, California- Muhammad could probably be got after the draft but i would rather lock him down with a pick to make sure. He is a big time play maker as a scat back. He has great hands, 4.3 speed, and he hits his top speed in an instant. He has good vision and is very shifty to go along with his speed so he is always a threat to take it to the house when he rushes, catches a ball in the backfield, or returns a kick. He is small at 5'8" 170 lbs but he is very fearless with no hesitation running between the tackles and he is stronger then he looks. seen him truck a few a safeties and corners and keep running. Seen him lower the shoulder and deliver a shot right into the chest of linebackers and spin away for a few extra yards. He and Zeke would be a nightmare for defensive coordinators.


I love the year rounds mocks. Keep it up.
 
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