Ogletree

[Gaede]

Ogletree and Hatcher are two players that I literally forgot were on the roster...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Sorry, but Terry Glenn was not a superstar.. ever.

 

[bayeslife]

Sorry, but Terry Glenn was not a superstar.. ever.

He wasn't a superstar, but he was a great receiver.

If you deny that then you certainly don't watch football.

 

[TheCoolFan]

I'd rather have Evan Oglesby!

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Wasn't TG a first round pick out of Ohio State? I think I remember reading about whoever his coach was at the time saying something like Terry Glenn had the best hands of any player he had ever seen.

TG was a #1 overall pick in fact by Bill Parcells, though I'm pretty sure that was when Bob Kraft was "buying the groceries he wanted Parcells to cook the dinner with."

If Glenn had been better able to stay healthy, he could've lived up to that #1 overall pick too. He had freakish natural ability. Amazing route runner, terrific hands, great body control. He was pretty much the only highlight of the offense for a few years there. =)

 

[cowboyed]

Jerry said he is the next Terry Glenn....so just sit tight.

Jerry also stated that Miles Austin had first string receiver talent and could fill the T.O. void. Obviously that assessment wasn't ludicrous. As far as Ogletree goes, you can have talent but if it is not matched by effort and adaptability then you don't play, let alone start.

 

[Stautner]

Otree had a bad preseason, that being said Dallas also traded Crayton for a reason.

He needs to get some work this year.

I don't think Ogletree was the reason they traded Crayton. Dez was the big factor - they didn't need another body in the rotation, and Crayton would have expected that. Ogletree wasn't even able to pass Hurd on the depth chart this preseason.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Your quoting my post has nothing to do with your post, but on your subject, you are NOT going by what Jerry Jones is saying right now. He stated that consideration of direction does involve the goal of complete success and is not directed at just gaining playoff births. He even said a single season might be sacrificed for the final goal. This is on a DallasCowboy.com media center recording today. To be specific on YOUR topic....

I quoted you POST concerning complacency. And I don't need to hear what Jerry is saying now to already KNOW what Jerry is saying. He is the King of hyperbole. He talks EVERY player up. It is a culture he has cultivated. How many teams have the 3rd string RB and 4th WR popping off like they should be getting "star" treatment? Every great play is the greatest play ever. I will never forget during Hard Knocks he told everyone to beware of Tank Johnson. And Tank did not even start...which led to Tanks restlesness. Because what is a player supposed to think if the Owner/GM is telling everyone who will listen that EVERYONE should beware Tank Johnson.

There is a METHOD to his madness. His talking up players, diamonds in the rough, late round picks, "savy" free agent pick ups, is his way of CONVINCING everyone of how great of a GM he is. His announcing that "500 coaches could coach the Cowboys" is his BELIEF that his ability to acquire talent is superior to anyone else and anyone should be able to win with his talent acquisition skills. Jerry is a passionate loyal owner. But he is fast becomoing a joke. This team did not get to 1-6 overnight. To think of all the frustration everyone felt during the 5-11 years, only to have some semblance of pride restored during the Parcells years and early part of Wades tenure...to see it slowly decline to where it is today points to one constant and one constant only, Jerry. This team decline is eerily similiar to the talent that was handed to Barry Swtizer only to crash and burn at 5-11. History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes.

 

[TheCount]

TG was a #1 overall pick in fact by Bill Parcells, though I'm pretty sure that was when Bob Kraft was "buying the groceries he wanted Parcells to cook the dinner with."

If Glenn had been better able to stay healthy, he could've lived up to that #1 overall pick too. He had freakish natural ability. Amazing route runner, terrific hands, great body control. He was pretty much the only highlight of the offense for a few years there. =)

Maybe "#1 overall pick" means something different to you than it does to me, but he was the 7th player taken.

That being said, Terry Glenn as a "great" receiver might be overstating it just a tad. There are plenty of receivers in the league with similar production who aren't considered "great".

 

[CCBoy]

I quoted you POST concerning complacency. And I don't need to hear what Jerry is saying now to already KNOW what Jerry is saying. He is the King of hyperbole. He talks EVERY player up. It is a culture he has cultivated. How many teams have the 3rd string RB and 4th WR popping off like they should be getting "star" treatment? Every great play is the greatest play ever. I will never forget during Hard Knocks he told everyone to beware of Tank Johnson. And Tank did not even start...which led to Tanks restlesness. Because what is a player supposed to think if the Owner/GM is telling everyone who will listen that EVERYONE should beware Tank Johnson.

There is a METHOD to his madness. His talking up players, diamonds in the rough, late round picks, "savy" free agent pick ups, is his way of CONVINCING everyone of how great of a GM he is. His announcing that "500 coaches could coach the Cowboys" is his BELIEF that his ability to acquire talent is superior to anyone else and anyone should be able to win with his talent acquisition skills. Jerry is a passionate loyal owner. But he is fast becomoing a joke. This team did not get to 1-6 overnight. To think of all the frustration everyone felt during the 5-11 years, only to have some semblance of pride restored during the Parcells years and early part of Wades tenure...to see it slowly decline to where it is today points to one constant and one constant only, Jerry. This team decline is eerily similiar to the talent that was handed to Barry Swtizer only to crash and burn at 5-11. History is repeating itself right in front of our eyes.

No, I was going directly to making a hard decision. But even in a situation where that would be a logical point for consideration, the alternatives have to add up better than what is changed from. More than concepts are involved, as in most choices by Jerry Jones the GM. On the contrary, Jerry is usually on the backside of making harsh and career affecting decisions upon his coaches or his players. That in of itself, is not a bad trait. But, Jerry has shown in the departure of that 'Tank' Johnson, as well as with Roy Williams, Greg Ellis, Adam Jones, Chris Canty, TO, as well as 'Just give me the **** ball,' and Joey Galloway, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Larry Allen...he can make the hard decisions for the good of the franchise as well.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

No, I was going directly to making a hard decision. But even in a situation where that would be a logical point for consideration, the alternatives have to add up better than what is changed from. More than concepts are involved, as in most choices by Jerry Jones the GM. On the contrary, Jerry is usually on the backside of making harsh and career affecting decisions upon his coaches or his players. That in of itself, is not a bad trait. But, Jerry has shown in the departure of that 'Tank' Johnson, as well as with Roy Williams, Greg Ellis, Adam Jones, Chris Canty, TO, as well as 'Just give me the **** ball,' and Joey Galloway, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Larry Allen...he can make the hard decisions for the good of the franchise as well.

dude....I am sorry....I have a real hard time following your posts. But that is OK. We all love the Cowboys and are all frustrated. We all think we know the answer...and I will stand firm that Jerry is the BIGGEST problem with Dallas. And it truly pains me to say that. Because I honestly don't think he does a bad job getting talented players. But for him that is just never enough...he tries to sell them when he does not HAVE to. Life long Cowboy fans cheer for the star on the side of the helmet and wins. He does not need to sell players...becuase that gives them a sense of entitlement they have not EARNED. This organization has been to 8 super bowls. They have made the playoffs more than anyone else and they have won more playoff games than anyone else. The Cowboys have the most NFC championships and the most division championships. Both fans and non-fans of Dallas know who Dallas is. It's about winning. Not selling!

 

[KJJ]

The way this season is going Ogletree could end up the next cut casualty. There was one siting of him last week during the Jacksonville game he was in street clothes.

 

[CCBoy]

dude....I am sorry....I have a real hard time following your posts. But that is OK. We all love the Cowboys and are all frustrated. We all think we know the answer...and I will stand firm that Jerry is the BIGGEST problem with Dallas. And it truly pains me to say that. Because I honestly don't think he does a bad job getting talented players. But for him that is just never enough...he tries to sell them when he does not HAVE to. Life long Cowboy fans cheer for the star on the side of the helmet and wins. He does not need to sell players...becuase that gives them a sense of entitlement they have not EARNED. This organization has been to 8 super bowls. They have made the playoffs more than anyone else and they have won more playoff games than anyone else. The Cowboys have the most NFC championships and the most division championships. Both fans and non-fans of Dallas know who Dallas is. It's about winning. Not selling!

Hey, I enjoyed your posting. I don't think anyone would deny that Jerry has presented something of an arrogance and high ground on many issues. That stated, he has earned that 'priviledge' in my view. I don't shortsheet your note on not having to oversell issues for the fans. He does, on the same scorecard, attempt to keep the fan involved as well as informed. Sometimes, defering to protection egos involved, softsell the negative aspects...until now.

 

[sago1]

Maybe it's time to give Ogletree a chance. We may/may not be interested in him, but it's time to show what he has. If he looks pretty good, maybe after the season is over we can get a 7th rounder for.

 

[Stautner]

Maybe it's time to give Ogletree a chance. We may/may not be interested in him, but it's time to show what he has. If he looks pretty good, maybe after the season is over we can get a 7th rounder for.

Since WR is not a problem, and since we want Dez and Miles to continue developing, and since Roy looks like may be around another year, I don't see the point in taking time away from any of them based on a chance that he may (or may not) perform well enough to trade for a 7th rounder. That's a pretty poor way to decide on playing time.

 

[Alexander]

I think you are referencing this, Wade made the remarks not Jerry.




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Craig

He also said this in a quote from a Tom Osborn article:

"He's in the Terry Glenn territory of route running," Phillips said. "I said that since I've seen him; first saw him last year. Because Terry could come in and out of routes so quickly and not lose speed, and this kid has that ability, so he's doing fine."

I would say when you state that someone is in the "territory" and say they have "that ability", you are not just saying they "remind" you of someone.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Maybe "#1 overall pick" means something different to you than it does to me, but he was the 7th player taken.

That being said, Terry Glenn as a "great" receiver might be overstating it just a tad. There are plenty of receivers in the league with similar production who aren't considered "great".

Doh, I was thinking TG was a #1 overall. Maybe I'm thinking of Keyshawn? Anyway, TG would never qualify as a great receiver, but he had the ability, that's for sure. He was just always hurt, and maybe not as hard a worker as he should've been.

Probably like Brandon Lloyd, who never lived up to his natural ability until I guess this year.

 

[Stautner]

Doh, I was thinking TG was a #1 overall. Maybe I'm thinking of Keyshawn? Anyway, TG would never qualify as a great receiver, but he had the ability, that's for sure. He was just always hurt, and maybe not as hard a worker as he should've been.

Probably like Brandon Lloyd, who never lived up to his natural ability until I guess this year.

TG was a top receiver and if Ogletree could become half that kind of receiver he would be a hell of a find as an undrafted free agent.

Glenn was not elite - not the Rice/Carter/Harrison level by any means, but when healthy he was a legitimate top 10 in the NFL type. (Top 10 in that year - not history)

 

[realtick]

I know it was said....someone is saying Wade said it....I could be wrong....but one of them said it...and of course I am paraphrasing...but it went something like "the way he gets in and out of his breaks is like Terry Glenn"

And believe me...watching Terry run routes was a thing of beauty...his transitions were seamless....which is why his knees are shot today and will only worsen as he gets old. Lots of guys who run lazy routes are not just because they are bad route runners....or lack agility...lazy routes are often "business" decisions.

Paraphrasing involves keeping the context of the original statement.

Jerry or Wade saying, "...he gets in and out of his breaks like Terry Glenn..." is nowhere close to saying "Jerry said he is the next Terry Glenn."

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Paraphrasing involves keeping the context of the original statement.

Jerry or Wade saying, "...he gets in and out of his breaks like Terry Glenn..." is nowhere close to saying "Jerry said he is the next Terry Glenn."

you are late....I have already said that I was poking fun at how prone to hyperbole Jerry Jones is when I said that.