Oh where oh where have the turnovers gone

[PA Cowboy Fan]

They left with Dan Quinn.

 

[NDGAEDE]

We all knew the second Zimmer was rehired the turnovers would stop and we'd be back to DBs playing 10 yds off the line of scrimmage.

Groz remembers.

 

[ccb04]

Last year was no different against better teams, and that was with better depth & talent upfront. Even with Parsons, Lawrence, Armstrong, Fowler, Hankins, and Sam Williams, turnovers and sacks were virtually non existent when getting manhandled by the 49’ers, Bills, Packers, etc.
And on the offensive side, even with Tyron at LT, Tyler at LG, Biadasz at C, Pollard at RB, etc…they still struggled to run the ball for most of the year.

 

[Big D]

The majority of the turnovers last season were interceptions. When teams can run on you at will it pretty much nullifies all that. We now must force fumbles. We can't even tackles let alone force fumbles.

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

Every time we harken back to Quinn, I re-run the Packers game through my mind and it resets my reality. No pass rush, receivers running wide open in the secondary, poor tackling, no run defense. It was all just like this year.

Perhaps it is not the coaches, but the players.

Look at the players we lost. Armstrong, Fowler, Hankins, Gilmore, Gallimore. Then look at the injuries. Sam Williams, Lawrence Parsons, Bland. Compare those players to who took the field yesterday. It is a huge step down. Even without the injuries we lost something. On top of that Diggs does not look like the same player either.

I am not saying Zimmer is not a problem, but we lost a lot of talent. Gilmore, for example, is way better than Carson or any of the 3rd string CBs we are putting out there.

I think Zimmer needs to be more aggressive for sure, like Quinn. But I also think he is dealing with only half a deck.

Surprised this didn't get more of a reaction. Spot on IMO.

 

[MikeT22]

Last year was no different against better teams, and that was with better depth & talent upfront. Even with Parsons, Lawrence, Armstrong, Fowler, Hankins, and Sam Williams, turnovers and sacks were virtually non existent when getting manhandled by the 49’ers, Bills, Packers, etc.
And on the offensive side, even with Tyron at LT, Tyler at LG, Biadasz at C, Pollard at RB, etc…they still struggled to run the ball for most of the year.

Yes, we feasted on 2/3's of the league under Quinn. But against the upper echelon the sacks and turnovers didn't happen. Now we don't get them even against the sisters of the poor. The difference between beating the Giants 40-0 vs 20-15 this year.
My biggest complaint with DQ was personnel. Since we don't have a real GM, drafting is normally done by committee. When it came to defense they often went with Quinn's guy. Way too many misses and reaches. I think he will do better in Washington since they have a solid GM now. They can draft players that fit Quinn's system/preferences but also conform to their board.

 

[ccb04]

Yes, we feasted on 2/3's of the league under Quinn. But against the upper echelon the sacks and turnovers didn't happen. Now we don't get them even against the sisters of the poor. The difference between beating the Giants 40-0 vs 20-15 this year.
My biggest complaint with DQ was personnel. Since we don't have a real GM, drafting is normally done by committee. When it came to defense they often went with Quinn's guy. Way too many misses and reaches. I think he will do better in Washington since they have a solid GM now. They can draft players that fit Quinn's system/preferences but also conform to their board.

That’s true, although I’d say they‘re more shorthanded and were less talented & deep upfront to begin with. But my primary point was that it’s the same old result against good teams. Last year, they beat the Giants, Jets minus Rodgers, and the hapless Pats early on …. but were thumped by the Cardinals in week 3, and run off the field a couple weeks later in San Fransico. They were embarrassed in Buffalo, and had their lunch money taken at home in the playoffs by the Packers, the game that started the horrific string of beatings they’ve taken at home. And it took 41 points to beat Seattle after surrendering 35. They did beat the Lions last year, but of course that was controversial. And the Eagles epically collapsed.

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

this team needed a scapegoat , and Dan Quinn was it .

 

[big dog cowboy]

Groz remembers.

We sure do!

 

[diamonddelts]

To Washington

Criminally underrated comment.

 

[diamonddelts]

I agree but in Zim's defense, he's installing a new scheme with Q players. Players are simply still learning or not buying into his system as a unit. As a unit is critical cuz can't have 11 players out there with say 3-4 either not buying in or still learning. This is why they are giving up so many chunk plays. I have said this before, too many players out there thinking, not sure what their assignments are or their assignment is asking them to do too much. Dez said it best that Zim isn't playing players to their strength.

I am not saying he isn't the problem but at the same time, trying to install a new scheme w/o enough right players will be a challenge for any DC.

Typical retread result. "If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got." - Henry Ford

 

[diamonddelts]

this team needed a scapegoat , and Dan Quinn was it .

His defense is Dak incarnate. Beat up on cupcakes and get manhandled by any team above .500 with a pulse.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Perhaps it is not the coaches, but the players.

Look at the players we lost. Armstrong, Fowler, Hankins, Gilmore, Gallimore. Then look at the injuries. Sam Williams, Lawrence Parsons, Bland. Compare those players to who took the field yesterday. It is a huge step down. Even without the injuries we lost something. On top of that Diggs does not look like the same player either.

I am not saying Zimmer is not a problem, but we lost a lot of talent. Gilmore, for example, is way better than Carson or any of the 3rd string CBs we are putting out there.

I think Zimmer needs to be more aggressive for sure, like Quinn. But I also think he is dealing with only half a deck

Our fans are pretty smart.........it is why I am struggling to understand how they can't see the odds are/were stacked against Zimm out the gate. He has one year to successfully install his scheme using a bunch of leftover players from Dan Q system. I say leftover cuz as you point out we lost several starters that Jerry refused to replace.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Typical retread result. "If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got." - Henry Ford

This has zero to do with a new defensive coordinator trying to be successful working with a half-deck w/o the right players and only having one year to do it. Again, I am saying he isn't part of the problem ( cuz he is ) but ANY defensive coordinator would struggle under the same conditions.