Ok Positive/Logical Guys, What do you do?

[AbeBeta]

-Keep Red as assistant coach and bring in a good OC (I have no idea who but he needs to be a motivator and hopefully thinks run first)

You don't pay a guy what Red is getting to be some low level coach.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe you didn't notice, but our OL was very good last year, especially in pass protection. Not so much this year.

Shut up.

Hudson Hauck is a genius. He coached on our championship teams - that means you can never say anything bad about him on this board.

 

[EastDallasCowboy]

Don't misunderstand me here. I'm well beyond the point of blaming coaching. Our problems with accountability are systemic and they start at the top with the GM.

Won't disagree with that for a second. Sorry for the assumption, tonight these boards are just so chalk full of "Wade must go!" talk and completely berift of any rational discussion outside of this thread, which it appears will fall into the bang-your-head-against-the-wall category soon as the GROW contingent finds it.

 

[LUVDABOYS]

You don't pay a guy what Red is getting to be some low level coach.

But I dont think Jerry gets rid of him. He cant honestly let him stay OC can he?

 

[EastDallasCowboy]

idefense i still believe the problem is on the dline. dallas can't get pressure without a blitz

I'm really not sure what you expect from the DL in a 3-4 scheme. That Ratliff had 7.5 sacks as the NT in a 3-4 defense is an oddity, and a testament to the player he is.

Generally speaking your OLBs are your pass rushers with your DL playing primarily run coverage in a 3-4, how much pressure do you expect from the DL?

And the fact that Demarcus Ware ended the season-as a primary pass rusher-with 20 sacks kind of kills your argument. Were some of them a result of blitzes? Sure, but not nearly as many as say, Bradie James.

Tonight the pressure was poor, but on the season the pressure was pretty damn good.

 

[AbeBeta]

But I dont think Jerry gets rid of him. He cant honestly let him stay OC can he?

Yes. Red had what, the 11th or 12th best O in the league this year? That with 3 of his 16 games played by Brad Johnson. That's not a terrible performance.

 

[Biggems]

Who to keep?

OFFENSE - 18
QB - Romo
RB - Barber, Choice, Jones
FB - Cricket
WR - TO, Williams, Crayton, Austin
TE - Witten, Bennett
OL - Adams (only cause of his contract), Holland, Gurode, Davis, Colombo, Kosier, McQuistan

DEFENSE - 16
DE - Ratliff, Canty, Hatcher, Dixon
DT - Spears
OLB - Ware, Spencer
ILB - James, Burnett, Polk
CB - Newman, PacMan, Scandrick, Jenkins
S - Hamlin, Battle

ST - 3
K - Folk
P - McBriar
LS - LP

This would give us 39 players. If we sign 5 FAs that puts us at 44 players going into the draft. We look to have 12 draft picks.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Won't disagree with that for a second. Sorry for the assumption, tonight these boards are just so chalk full of "Wade must go!" talk and completely berift of any rational discussion outside of this thread, which it appears will fall into the bang-your-head-against-the-wall category soon as the GROW contingent finds it.

It's a possibility that Wade should be fired, but the dysfunctional nature of the organization makes it impossible to make such a determination

Jerry has created such a toxic atmosphere within the organization that everything within it is rendered weak and less effective, even the great Bill Parcells.

 

[Asklesko]

Fire Wade. Fire Garret. Hire a GM. Hire new coaching staff. Evaluate players. Cut ALL of the detritus on this team. In other words, start over. There is no way to fix the current iteration of the Dallas Cowboys. The only way to move on is to blow it up and start over.

 

[dbair1967]

Honestly, I think we need a more dramatic change.

Not showing up for a big game like this should get your HC fired.

I haven't been on the fire Wade bandwagon until today. However, today was pitful. We need a change at the top.

Wow AB...thats two posts we agree on 100%, in the SAME DAY

I dont think any personnel changes will make any difference on our w/l record or how far we can go in the postseason.

I think we can all look forward to a season of 8-8, 9-7, 10-6 or maybe even 11-5 next yr. The one thing I'm pretty sure of is we wont go anywhere in January though.

 

[cowboyz]

I'm really not sure what you expect from the DL in a 3-4 scheme. That Ratliff had 7.5 sacks as the NT in a 3-4 defense is an oddity, and a testament to the player he is.

Generally speaking your OLBs are your pass rushers with your DL playing primarily run coverage in a 3-4, how much pressure do you expect from the DL?

And the fact that Demarcus Ware ended the season-as a primary pass rusher-with 20 sacks kind of kills your argument. Were some of them a result of blitzes? Sure, but not nearly as many as say, Bradie James.

Tonight the pressure was poor, but on the season the pressure was pretty damn good.

sure ratliff gets pressure when he beats his guy, which happens a lot. but the rest of the dline doesn't collapse the pocket. so if ratliff doesn't get there then the qb just stands around waiting for someone to get open.

i want collapse the pocket pressure, where the qb has to back up.

you need that pressure so you don't have to blitz, and still create turnovers. that pressure was created by wade with his blitz schemes at the end of the year.

sacks are the not the be all end of all of pressure. i'd say the steelers and ravens put way more pressure on offenses and don't give time to offenses.

plus a big guy will also help in the run game and make it more consistent.

 

[Wimbo]

Adam, Hostile...the intelligent, positive guys.

well, that is 2 out of 21,000 posters on this site. Looks about right.

 

[goshan]

well, that is 2 out of 21,000 posters on this site. Looks about right.

I was looking for realistic posts of what we could really do.
I think there are a lot of guys that qualify there.

 

[FiniteMan!]

It's a possibility that Wade should be fired, but the dysfunctional nature of the organization makes it impossible to make such a determination

Jerry has created such a toxic atmosphere within the organization that everything within it is rendered weak and less effective, even the great Bill Parcells.

Do not neccessarily agree with this. The problem is Jerry replaced Parcells with a sidekick type ala Chan Gailey or Dave Campo. If he replaces Wade with a proven coach who is playoff proven or tough as nails, what you are talking about dissappears overnight. Jerry needs someone who is willing to just be the coach, but is also willing to bench an undiciplined Jerry favorite ---forever if need be.

All you need is a similar Parcells caliber of coach who is willing to let Jerry "buy the groceries", but is a big enough name to demand jerry respect the "coach" boundary.

Wade has done his job. He developed our individual talents. Now we have the developed talent. Now the coach we need is a proven playoff performer who demands discipline. Using the whip is good too.

My short list of people who take the job and can do it---for the next cowboys coach:

George Siefert -- got it done in similar circumstances in SF. Unlike Phillips cannot develop players and a team from scratch. The anti-Phillips.
Brian Billick -- tough as nails with a good offensive mind. He will demand defensive excellence and will hold Romo's feet to the fire and Romo has proven he needs the short leash.

I think neither one of these guys is too hot for Jerry's gig not to be their best offer and they can overnight change the culture in Dallas.

 

[Future]

I was looking for realistic posts of what we could really do.
I think there are a lot of guys that qualify there.

And earning some brownie points :laugh2: j/p

 

[goshan]

Do not neccessarily agree with this. The problem is Jerry replaced Parcells with a sidekick type. If he replaces Wade with a proven coach who is playoff proven or tough as nails, what you are talking about dissappears overnight. Jerry needs someone who is willing to just be the coach, but is also willing to bench an undiciplined Jerry favorite ---forever if need be.

All you need is a similar Parcells caliber of coach who is willing to let Jerry "buy the groceries".

Wade has done his job. He developed our individual talents. Now we have the developed talent. Now the coach we need is a proven playoff performer who demands discipline. Using the whip is good too.

My short list of people who take the job and can do it---for the next cowboys coach:

George Siefert -- got it done in similar circumstances in SF. Unlike Phillips cannot develop players and a team from scratch. The anti-Phillips.
Brian Billick -- tough as nails with a good offensive mind. He will demand defensive excellence and will hold Romo's feet to the fire and Romo has proven he needs the short leash.

I think neither one of these guys is too hot for Jerry's gig not to be their best offer and they can overnight change the culture in Dallas.

Siefert is about 70. No thanks.

 

[Slashar00]

Adam, Hostile...the intelligent, positive guys.
And all you other logical guys, what specifically do you do in the offseason knowing salary caps, percentages, Jerry, etc.?

Here are my predictions right now:

OFFENSE
---
RB - all set. Choice/Barber share position. Felix - kick returner and 10-12 snaps as RB and wildcat.
Oline - My prediction is we will do nothing but sign a couple of backups.
QB - sign a strong backup. You can't give up on Romo. Have to hope he learns and comes back strong next year.
TE - nothing. All set.
WR - Have to sign a really quick #2 WR who can get quick separation in intermediate routes. TO and Williams are long striders and can't get open on quick routes. We need a Terry Glenn type receiver. I don't have a prediction on TO--although I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone.


DEFENSE
---
Seconday-Get another starting safety
LB-Get a starting Inside LB
CB-Nothing
DL-Nothing substantial, Canty will be resigned. Tank not signed. Couple of backups brought in.


COACHING
---
Stewart and Reede fired
A New QB coach/offensive assistant brought in to help Garrett. Someone creative who can also work more with Romo.
I think that is all that happens

We should only sign one player - a backup QB. Maybe an OL for cheap.

DEFINITELY do not sign another WR.

The rest of what we need we should draft. OL definitely. Safety definitely. We should also consider drafting a QB too as a number 3. Someone to groom (yes, we should be thinking about it, Romo is nearly 30). We have most of our team in place (whether that's a really good thing is debatable).

 

[Don Corleone]

And if you can't figure out the problem, how can you figure out a cure?

Or you simply drop a smart bomb on the whole thing and start over again.

 

[newlander]

Geez, 'visionary' that makes WAY too much sense to ever happen.......too bad....................

 

[ChrisCanty99]

The Cowboys have sunk beneath (what I call) the Campo line, which is named in honor of former Cowboy HC Dave Campo.

The Campo line is a demarcation that a team reaches once its preparation and execution become so poor that it's nigh impossible to differentiate team strengths from team weaknesses because every aspect of the team plays very poorly at different times. Generally speaking, preparation and execution are functions of accountability, and the Cowboys organization does not foster and perpetuate an environment that reinforces accountability.

Unfortunately, we will not be able to determine what this team lacks until it becomes accountable for its bad play.

Wow. Great post.

There is one area I think we can tell now: the team is clearly not physical enough on the OL and DL. Teams know that you can't give Romo time in the pocket or he'll destroy you. So they attack the weak left side with speed rushers or overload the right with more blitzers than blockers.