OL Made Bledsoe Look Bad On Purpose?

[5Stars]

You should be in the media with all of the hypothical questions you like to ask

I would say our OL sucks.

Sure it can happen, and probably does at times, but, I would think being a professional team that it most likely does not happen as much as say a high school or low level college team...

Some think that the moon landing was filmed in some desert in AZ, but, I don't really think so...

Also, I don't think poster are ripping you, I think some are just thinking, "What is he thinking"?

 

[5Stars]

You should be in the media with all of the hypothetical questions you like to ask

I would say our OL sucks.

My hypothetical question is no different then yours...!

Maybe you and I should team up and have our own "Mike and Mike Show"?

 

[peplaw06]

Listen guys when you play sports you become friends with guys standing next to you. In this case the OL will be close.

That OL will build confidence with each other. If the players around them are good he helps the OL. When a player is bad he hurts the OL. If any one person starts to hurt the success on a consistent basis the OL starts talking. When the OL is getting blamed every week when it is not all their fault how do you think the OL is going to feel? How long do you think they will put up with that? It will be suttle because they don't want to get benched. But you guys have to remember this is competition and their lively hood. It is not uncommon for players to take matters into their own hands.

Do you really think the OL are saying, "Man the all-knowing fan base is blaming us for the all of the problems on this team.... We'll show them, let's just let a couple of guys get some more sacks, and play REALLY bad. Then Bledsoe will get pulled and Romo will come in. With his mobility, we will THEN turn on the effort, and show these genius fans how good we really are."

Sounds ******** doesn't it? That's the position you're arguing.

First of all, I don't think the OL cares what we think. BP has stated time and again it wasn't solely the OL's fault. I'm sure he's not telling them behind closed doors that they are to blame.

Secondly, like you said, it's their livelihood. These guys have fought tooth and nail to make it into the NFL. You really think they're going to jeopardize their careers simply so they can shut some fans up and escape criticism?? It doesn't matter if none of us had played professional sports before... when it comes to your job, reasonable people don't jeopardize their careers to make a statement to people that don't know what's going on.

But it's too simple to say that Romo's mobility has made a difference so you pull out your tin foil...

Edit: I'd also like to add, that you're making a judgment from basically one game of play. They've played decent games before Romo was playing. They're just inconsistent. IMO I'd have to see marked improvement over a sustained amount of time... as well as some sort of evidence of intentionally blown assignments... before I'd put forth the theory that you are.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Listen guys when you play sports you become friends with guys standing next to you. In this case the OL will be close.

That OL will build confidence with each other. If the players around them are good he helps the OL. When a player is bad he hurts the OL. If any one person starts to hurt the success on a consistent basis the OL starts talking. When the OL is getting blamed every week when it is not all their fault how do you think the OL is going to feel? How long do you think they will put up with that? It will be suttle because they don't want to get benched. But you guys have to remember this is competition and their lively hood. It is not uncommon for players to take matters into their own hands.

Yeah see that's where I disagree with you.

I think it is very uncommon that anyone who plays a sport intentionally plays badly so they can force the hand of a coach. There are a multitude of reasons for this not the least of which is a good coach will see it, bring it out into the open, and make an example out of you for it. And noway do I buy for a second that 5 guys got together and agreed to start throwing games ... which essentially is what playing badly on purpose is doing. Very serious accusations.

As I stated before though I do find it entirely plausible that they stopped giving that extra something for Bledsoe since that extra something was so seldomly rewarded. But not to the point where the entire OL line got together and orchestrated a coup d'etat to get Romo inserted. That I refuse to believe.

 

[DBoys]

No... I'm saying it could cost the OL their jobs. They're not going to intentionally miss blocks or whatever because if they do, they'll be benched or cut.

Yes I have played football... Not at the level to where it is my livelihood, though... Have you??

I followed what you were saying. I would never do it and you would never do it but you never know with people nowadays. I doubt it happened in Bledsoes case but I have seen it happen on teams I have played for.

Your misunderstood my post. I used the livelyhood point to emphasize why someone might do it. I didn't use it to say I played for money. I said competitively as in High School or College to seperate from someone who played pee wee where something like this is less likely.

 

[DBoys]

My hypothetical question is no different then yours...!

Maybe you and I should team up and have our own "Mike and Mike Show"?

nice one

 

[peplaw06]

Your misunderstood my post. I used the livelyhood point to emphasize why someone might do it. I didn't use it to say I played for money. I said competitively as in High School or College to seperate from someone who played pee wee where something like this is less likely.

I don't know where I misunderstood...?

And I don't follow how someone's livelihood is a reason TO do it...

 

[5Stars]

I followed what you were saying. I would never do it and you would never do it but you never know with people nowadays. I doubt it happened in Bledsoes case but I have seen it happen on teams I have played for.

Your misunderstood my post. I used the livelyhood point to emphasize why someone might do it. I didn't use it to say I played for money. I said competitively as in High School or College to seperate from someone who played pee wee where something like this is less likely.

I would do it on one condition! If the QB was dating the hottest cheerleader and she came to me and told me that he was cheating on her, and if I would miss a few blocks so the he could get nailed and out of the starting position in order to pay him back, AND that she would make it up to me in a VERY POSITIVE WAY...hey, the dude is dead in his tracks...

After the game, me and her, baby, me and her!

 

[DBoys]

Do you really think the OL are saying, "Man the all-knowing fan base is blaming us for the all of the problems on this team.... We'll show them, let's just let a couple of guys get some more sacks, and play REALLY bad. Then Bledsoe will get pulled and Romo will come in. With his mobility, we will THEN turn on the effort, and show these genius fans how good we really are."

This is your point not mine. Players want to win and when they don't, the blame that is known internally is also being expressed externally by media fans etc. So I don't feel your point is the one I am argueing.

Secondly, like you said, it's their livelihood. These guys have fought tooth and nail to make it into the NFL. You really think they're going to jeopardize their careers simply so they can shut some fans up and escape criticism?? It doesn't matter if none of us had played professional sports before... when it comes to your job, reasonable people don't jeopardize their careers to make a statement to people that don't know what's going on.

Correct me if I am wrong but you are saying stuff like this doesn't happen right? I am saying it does because I have experienced it first hand. I am not saying it happened in this case but I have my suspicions because it looks the same way.

But it's too simple to say that Romo's mobility has made a difference so you pull out your tin foil...

No question Romo helps the OL. We just disagree it's no big deal. You feel stuff like this does not happen and I think it does.

Edit: I'd also like to add, that you're making a judgment from basically one game of play. They've played decent games before Romo was playing. They're just inconsistent. IMO I'd have to see marked improvement over a sustained amount of time... as well as some sort of evidence of intentionally blown assignments... before I'd put forth the theory that you are.

I think the OL lost faith in Bledsoe after Philly. Evidence will be tough this stuff usually boils down to opinion unless your in the locker

Good thing is we don't have to worry about Bledsoe anymore.

 

[DBoys]

I don't know where I misunderstood...?

And I don't follow how someone's livelihood is a reason TO do it...

Did I use livelyhood in my comment about you or me playing football? No I said competitive! When it is business people will do anything.

Money, fame and glory will prompt people to do stupid stuff. Your not going to find pee wee kids screwing up on purpose becase they are playing for fun.

 

[DBoys]

I would do it on one condition! If the QB was dating the hottest cheerleader and she came to me and told me that he was cheating on her, and if I would miss a few blocks so the he could get nailed and out of the starting position in order to pay him back, AND that she would make it up to me in a VERY POSITIVE WAY...hey, the dude is dead in his tracks...

After the game, me and her, baby, me and her!

I am in tears hahahahahahhahahah

Leave it to you to lighten the thread up.

 

[5Stars]

Did I use livelyhood in my comment about you or me playing football? No I said competitive! When it is business people will do anything.

Money, fame and glory will prompt people do do stupid stuff. Your not going to find pee wee kids screwing up on purpose becase they are playing for fun.

Yeah, plus, them peewee cheerleaders are just to damn young!

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[DBoys]

Yeah, plus, them peewee cheerleaders are just to damn young!

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HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my gosh HAAHAHHAAHAAHAHHA

 

[DBoys]

Yeah see that's where I disagree with you.

I think it is very uncommon that anyone who plays a sport intentionally plays badly so they can force the hand of a coach. There are a multitude of reasons for this not the least of which is a good coach will see it, bring it out into the open, and make an example out of you for it. And noway do I buy for a second that 5 guys got together and agreed to start throwing games ... which essentially is what playing badly on purpose is doing. Very serious accusations.

As I stated before though I do find it entirely plausible that they stopped giving that extra something for Bledsoe since that extra something was so seldomly rewarded. But not to the point where the entire OL line got together and orchestrated a coup d'etat to get Romo inserted. That I refuse to believe.

Good post. Even the missing extra would be a small form of what I am talking about. I don't think it happened either but I wouldn't doubt if the OL had a chat with BP about it.

 

[5Stars]

HAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh my gosh HAAHAHHAAHAAHAHHA

I don't mean to hijack your thread, because what you have to say does make sense...because I'm sure it does happen at times...

I just don't want to have any thoughts that any pro Cowboys would do such a thing...but, like you say, you never know!

(see, now you have me thinking maybe they did)!!

Oh, well, back to thoughts of hot Cheerleaders and beer and hotdogs...and chocklate syrup and strawberries for later on...they love that, if used right!

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[peplaw06]

This is your point not mine. Players want to win and when they don't, the blame that is known internally is also being expressed externally by media fans etc. So I don't feel your point is the one I am argueing.

So you're saying the internal pressure was as bad or worse than the external pressure?? Because I seem to remember BP saying that the perception that the OL was solely to blame was inaccurate... I think that shows that BP wasn't putting as much pressure on the OL as the fans/media were.

Correct me if I am wrong but you are saying stuff like this doesn't happen right? I am saying it does because I have experienced it first hand. I am not saying it happened in this case but I have my suspicions because it looks the same way.

I'm not saying it "doesn't happen." I'm saying it's rare... Much like ScrewtheHall's point, to find 5 guys conspiring to do something like this is basically unheard of.

And you made a point that the instances you recall something like this happening took place often when the players "didn't like" the player. I have seen no indication that the OL "didn't like" Bledsoe. He wasn't throwing them under the bus or anything... Bledsoe was voted team captain also. I think that's a non-issue.

And what about it looks the same way? I mean Romo has still seen his share of pressure, he's just been able to evade much of it.

I think the OL lost faith in Bledsoe after Philly. Evidence will be tough this stuff usually boils down to opinion unless your in the locker

Good thing is we don't have to worry about Bledsoe anymore.

They seemed to protect him okay in the Houston game. I agree with you that you're not going to hear this stuff unless you're in the lockerroom. But it's still speculation on your part. You really have no evidence, or at least very little evidence, other than your past experiences.

Did I use livelyhood in my comment about you or me playing football? No I said competitive! When it is business people will do anything.

Money, fame and glory will prompt people to do stupid stuff. Your not going to find pee wee kids screwing up on purpose becase they are playing for fun.

I know I used the lovelihood comment first, but later you said...

I used the livelyhood point to emphasize why someone might do it.

If anything I think the "livelihood issue" is a reason NOT to do it. The instances you speak of where you've seen it, a person's livelihood, or paycheck, wasn't involved, as you've stated. When a paycheck is in the balance, the odds of it happening would become less IMO.

 

[peplaw06]

Good post. Even the missing extra would be a small form of what I am talking about. I don't think it happened either but I wouldn't doubt if the OL had a chat with BP about it.

See I'd agree this could be the case...

Why are we arguing about the extreme position in this case??

 

[Fernando Fernandez]

Do you think there is any validity to this? I can't help but be suspect after watching the NYG game again. When Romo came in the blocking got much better even excluding Romo's escapability. Watching the OL reaction when Romo got the nod was quite telling. The whole thing is fishy to me.

It might be my imagination or a crazy conspiracy theory but I was curious what your opinion is?

Regardless I am glad it happened so don't misunderstand the intent of this post. I am just curious if there is anyone else who shares my suspicion

you could very well be correct.

it's immature...it is very popular to do this in junior high and high school.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Good post. Even the missing extra would be a small form of what I am talking about. I don't think it happened either but I wouldn't doubt if the OL had a chat with BP about it.

Yeah I can definitely see the chat happening as well. You know there had to be grumbling behind closed doors by alot of different parties. There's only so long that can last before it boils over across the head coach's desk.

 

[Fernando Fernandez]

Listen guys when you play sports you become friends with guys standing next to you. In this case the OL will be close.

That OL will build confidence with each other. If the players around them are good he helps the OL. When a player is bad he hurts the OL. If any one person starts to hurt the success on a consistent basis the OL starts talking. When the OL is getting blamed every week when it is not all their fault how do you think the OL is going to feel? How long do you think they will put up with that? It will be suttle because they don't want to get benched. But you guys have to remember this is competition and their lively hood. It is not uncommon for players to take matters into their own hands.

excellent post.
Let the truth be told.