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haleyrules said:
lol. Now thats a good friend!! Its a soccer team in Scotland. I don`t like soccer..but when I was working in Scotland..I went, with some crazy Scotsmen, to a few games..they really take it seriously those games between Celtic and Rangers..its a religeous thing!!!???
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I'm not exactly an impartial observer but it's religious on their side of things not ours. Obviously not all of the fans are in it for religion but at least half of the songs regularly sung by the Rangers support are about killing Catholics.

Our songs that get lumped in with it tend to be political in nature. Generally speaking it's presented as Rangers/Protestant Celtic/Catholic. It's massively tied in with Irish politics/struggle for freedom and subsequent division, just that that happens to be largely divided by religion.

Of course for a large proportion it's just about the football but even then generally speaking you can make an educated guess about someone's politics and views on a wide range of issues based on their football team if it's Celtic or Rangers.

People have written books trying to explain the rivalry so I can't explain it fully on a messageboard but it's about so much more than religion although that undoubtedly comes into it. I think it's difficult for Americans to understand the complexities of it as your sports teams over there don't tend to have the same history as in Europe. For example FC Barcelona games were the only place people could protest against Franco in fascist Spain, Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb were an expression of Croatian nationality in Yugoslavia and Celtic was a focal point for voicing support for Irish Republicanism during the troubles and still is.

Apologies for sidetracking. Back on topic, beer is good and may be partly responsible for the lecture. ;)
 
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daschoo said:
I'm not exactly an impartial observer but it's religious on their side of things not ours. Obviously not all of the fans are in it for religion but at least half of the songs regularly sung by the Rangers support are about killing Catholics.

Our songs that get lumped in with it tend to be political in nature. Generally speaking it's presented as Rangers/Protestant Celtic/Catholic. It's massively tied in with Irish politics/struggle for freedom and subsequent division, just that that happens to be largely divided by religion.

Of course for a large proportion it's just about the football but even then generally speaking you can make an educated guess about someone's politics and views on a wide range of issues based on their football team if it's Celtic or Rangers.

People have written books trying to explain the rivalry so I can't explain it fully on a messageboard but it's about so much more than religion although that undoubtedly comes into it. I think it's difficult for Americans to understand the complexities of it as your sports teams over there don't tend to have the same history as in Europe. For example FC Barcelona games were the only place people could protest against Franco in fascist Spain, Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb were an expression of Croatian nationality in Yugoslavia and Celtic was a focal point for voicing support for Irish Republicanism during the troubles and still is.

Apologies for sidetracking. Back on topic, beer is good and may be partly responsible for the lecture. ;)
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Beer is good. Both English and Irish...Go on home British Soldiers Go on home...or Could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands...lol l heard them both at different times there. Did not understand of course...but it was explained to me!! You are from the North..Scottish?
 

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daschoo said:
I'm not exactly an impartial observer but it's religious on their side of things not ours. Obviously not all of the fans are in it for religion but at least half of the songs regularly sung by the Rangers support are about killing Catholics.

Our songs that get lumped in with it tend to be political in nature. Generally speaking it's presented as Rangers/Protestant Celtic/Catholic. It's massively tied in with Irish politics/struggle for freedom and subsequent division, just that that happens to be largely divided by religion.

Of course for a large proportion it's just about the football but even then generally speaking you can make an educated guess about someone's politics and views on a wide range of issues based on their football team if it's Celtic or Rangers.

People have written books trying to explain the rivalry so I can't explain it fully on a messageboard but it's about so much more than religion although that undoubtedly comes into it. I think it's difficult for Americans to understand the complexities of it as your sports teams over there don't tend to have the same history as in Europe. For example FC Barcelona games were the only place people could protest against Franco in fascist Spain, Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb were an expression of Croatian nationality in Yugoslavia and Celtic was a focal point for voicing support for Irish Republicanism during the troubles and still is.

Apologies for sidetracking. Back on topic, beer is good and may be partly responsible for the lecture. ;)
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Interesting info.

Absolutely love this thread.
 
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